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CJ7, it is useless to argue with irrelevant idiots/cyberpests.

CJ7, it is useless to argue with irrelevant idiots/cyberpests. Originally Posted by Little Stevie

You are too blind to see either your own errors or the truth.

You are too blind to see either your own errors or the truth. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Yet another irrelevant post by the board's most flagrant cyberpest.

Yet another irrelevant post by the board's most flagrant cyberpest. Originally Posted by Little Stevie

'Irrelevant'? Then why do you read and reply?

Choosing to criticize others for misspelled words and grammatical errors is your stock-in-trade. Everyone on this board knows that and knows you for the pompous, asshole bully you are. It's highly significant that when you are criticized in the way you criticize others, you cry like a little school girl.

More irrelevance...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

More irrelevance...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Originally Posted by Little Stevie

Ssshhh!!! Poor Little Blind Boy has cried himself to sleep.

I gotta admit that was funny.

This PDF report is LONG and requires more than a few minutes to read. Getting past the title, it does explain expected production and breaks US refineries role in production.

http://stopbigoilripoffs.com/documen..._download/file. Originally Posted by CJ7

Okay. This document supports your argument. You could have been kind and provided the page numbers (*.pdf pages 38-42).

Now explain your beef with Local 597.

I dont have a beef with 587. I used one of your local unions as a reference. Are you a union supporter or not? Hence the winkie face at the nd of that post.

Sheesh.

Now, If youm care to provide a credible link that documents TransCanada using American engineers, welders and pipefitters (union or not) over their own employees (union or not) please feel free to do so. Everything I read about them (including the link I provided from USW says otherwise. You have the floor.

I dont have a beef with 587. I used one of your local unions as a reference. Are you a union supporter or not? Hence the winkie face at the nd of that post.

Sheesh. Originally Posted by CJ7

Close enough.

Now, If youm care to provide a credible link that documents TransCanada using American engineers, welders and pipefitters (union or not) over their own employees (union or not) please feel free to do so. Everything I read about them (including the link I provided from USW says otherwise. You have the floor. Originally Posted by CJ7

Organized labor believes they will benefit from this pipeline, and they will picket a job this size if Keystone doesn't hire union.

This is what can be found on the web. This 'Labor Agreement' sounds concrete.

Labor Agreement For Keystone XL Pipeline To Create 13,000 American Jobs

Labor Agreement For Keystone XL Pipeline To Create 13,000 American Jobs
TransCanada Corporation announced a Project Labor Agreement for a significant portion of U.S. construction of the proposed US$7 billion Keystone Gulf Coast Expansion Pipeline Project (Keystone XL). The agreement will provide TransCanada with a capable, well-trained and ready workforce in the U.S. to construct Keystone XL. During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers.

The Project Labor Agreement is with the Laborers International Union of North America, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of the United States and Canada, AFL-CIO, the International Union of Operating Engineers and the Pipeline Contractors Association. . . .

The Laborers International Union of North America represents half a million workers in the heavy construction and building construction trade, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents 1.4 million professionals in the private and public sector, the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry of the United States and Canada, AFL-CIO represents 300,000 members across North America in the plumbing and pipefitting industry, and the International Union of Operating Engineers represents 400,000 operating engineers, who work as heavy equipment operators, mechanics, and surveyors in the construction industry, and stationary engineers, who work in operations and maintenance in building and industrial complexes, and in the service industries.

http://www.pipeline-news.com/feature...-american-jobs

The Keystone Pipeline project is projected to create over 20,000 jobs for middleclass Americans to construct the pipeline and over 118,000 spin-off jobs to communities desperately in need. The United Association and Pipefitters Local 537 is very much in favor of this project and hope you contact your representatives in Washington D.C. to show your support.

http://www.pipefitters537.org/political-action.aspx


Union Support For Keystone XL Pipeline Project

General President William P. Hite and the United Association of Journeymen and Apprentices of the Plumbing and Pipe Fitting Industry of the United States and Canada lauded the U.S. Department of State decision to move forward with a next step for the Keystone XL pipeline permit. . . .

The unions have executed a project labor agreement to provide the Keystone XL project with a well-trained workforce in the U.S. The planned 1,959-mile, 36-inch crude oil pipeline will stretch from Hardisty, Alberta to a delivery point in Nederland, TX to serve the Port Arthur, TX marketplace.


http://www.pipeline-news.com/feature...peline-project



Canadian oil sands development will create more than 500,000 new U.S. jobs and generate $775 billion in GDP by 2035.

Keystone XL will generate as many as 20,000 new U.S. jobs during construction alone,

Our country’s skilled tradesmen and women will build this pipeline using state-of-art technology, ensuring the highest possible standards of safety.

http://www.ualocal469.org/library/do...20Pipeline.pdf

those figures have been revised. I provided a more recent account earlier in the thread.

those figures have been revised. I provided a more recent account earlier in the thread. Originally Posted by CJ7

These are not my numbers, and note how they don't even agree with each other in their optimism.

well when we stop sending millions of gallons of gas overseas then ok. We obviously don't NEED another pipeline if we have so much at disposal that we send it away and yet gas prices keep rising.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144155...urpass-imports

this is more about corporate greed, again, well.. as always.

well when we stop sending millions of gallons of gas overseas then ok. We obviously don't NEED another pipeline if we have so much at disposal that we send it away and yet gas prices keep rising.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/29/144155...urpass-imports

this is more about corporate greed, again, well.. as always. Originally Posted by budman33

Its usually educational to read more than the headline and actually get into the meat of the article.

Second paragraph:
To be clear, we're talking about finished petroleum products, not crude oil. The U.S. still imports about half the crude it consumes.

TransCanada got what they deserved for trying to fuck over the state of Nebraska.
Even the Nebraska Republican Governor wanted them to change the route and they kept saying that they couldn't, they wouldn't, consider an alternative route.

Then Nebraska convened a special legislative session and suddenly TransCanada decided they could dance after all.

If the idiotic attention-seeking Republicans in the US House hadn't put such an arbitrary deadline date on the decision, the president could have waited a few more months as Nebraska & TransCanada worked out their new route and every-fucking-body could have their pipeline!