I didn't say Lincoln was right or wrong.
The gay bung hole wrote,
HOW THE FUCK IS LINCOLN WRONG?........it was a civil war!........fuckin' proven coward dumbass liberal.......... Originally Posted by ChoomCzar
Old-T, I was just giving TAE a taste of his own medicine. Of course there are some great Texans in Texas. In reality, shooting is too harsh. Perhaps a 500,000 V fence will do the trick (again, just kidding). Originally Posted by icuminpeaceSorry, I should have put the winking-eye in my post; I did take your post the way you intended it. As far as shooting, I do think that would be fine if a little judgement was applied. Maybe a quick skin color test.
You should know by now that Choomshall and a few others don't have to apply logic to their posts. They selectively ignore, and selectively misquote--among other lies.
I didn't say Lincoln was right or wrong.
I said Lincoln's opinions did not determine the constitutionality of West Virgina rejoining the Union. Read all of the posts above imbecile.
Looks like you can't either, fuckin' proven coward dumbass fascist who doesn't know what conservatism really means.
Originally Posted by ExNYer
[QUOTE=I B Hankering;1051898665]Show where Virginia ceased to be a "state"! Show where -- in any other matter -- Lincoln dealt with Virginia as anything other than a state! Produce a document showing where the U.S. Congress declared war on Virginia or the Confederate States of America recognizing either as a separate nation!
BTW, what part of "no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress" was taken out of context?
All of it obviously. Can't you read?
Section IV, Section 3, apples to to a "state". Virginia had declared itself no longer state. It claimed to be part of another county - the Confederacy. So, if that's true, how is it any different than the province of Ontario in Canada? Why should they be able to invoke Article 4, Section 3?
Do you NOT get that? I've written that like 9 times.
Now scurry off and find a legal scholar that thinks you're right.
Better yet, come back with a response that explains why Virginia still WOULD be a state after it seceded. Can you do that? is there a Confederate website that explains that?
Originally Posted by ExNYer
Editorial note: Chomshall still gets his own name wrong 5 times out of six but I have been asked to play along with his delusion.[/I]]YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE WORST LIBERAL CRIME....HYPOCRISY!I do not recall you standing in line behind me as I voted? Did I say who I voted for? No. I can tell you very emphaticly I did not vote for Obama based upon his being black, and I did not vote for Romney based upon his being white.
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
The false liberal sense of moral superiority goes, "I voted for the negro, I am good because I voted for the negro, look how good I am!"
Racial politics is about voting for people based upon their race rather than the content of their character......it's non-racist and patriotic to oppose Bath House Barry...... Originally Posted by ChoomCzar;1051898759 [I
I don't think Texas as an independent country would have to worry about illegal immigrants. I don't think anyone would want to leave a third world country to live in another third world country. But I do agree that the U.S. should shoot dead every Texan trying to illegally immigrate into the U.S. Was that racist? I don't know but your rant sure sounded racist. Originally Posted by icuminpeacePlaying the race card isn't going to work here, and I have no control over your misperceptions of what I write.
I do not have to defend ANYTHING about Lincoln.Now that's the most wacked thing I've ever heard.
And your history is beyond twisted. John Wilkes Booth did not care about the North or Northerners or what Lincoln did to them. He was sociopath who thought he was some kind of glorified knight avenging the South's honor. And he was too cowardly to actually join the Confederate Army and any actual fighting during the war, I might add. He did actually like to confront people who could shoot back at him. He preferred to sneak up behind them and shoot them in the back of the head. Originally Posted by ExNYer
Show where Virginia ceased to be a "state"! Originally Posted by I B HankeringSo, in other words, you cannot explain, or reference anything that tries to explain, why Virginia is still a state AFTER it secedes. I take it you've got nothing. Did you run out of Confederate sympathizer websites?
Show where -- in any other matter -- Lincoln dealt with Virginia as anything other than a state! Produce a document showing where the U.S. Congress declared war on Virginia or the Confederate States of America recognizing either as a separate nation!
It remains "no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress." The process by which West Virginia was admitted as a separate state was a unconstitutional fraud. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Show where -- in any other matter -- Lincoln dealt with Virginia as anything other than a state! Originally Posted by I B HankeringHow about when he invaded them? Presidents can't do that to real states.
It remains "no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress." The process by which West Virginia was admitted as a separate state was a unconstitutional fraud. Originally Posted by I B HankeringIt remains that you've got nothing.
BTW, where was the plagiarism? Originally Posted by ExNYer
So, in other words, you cannot explain, or reference anything that tries to explain, why Virginia is still a state AFTER it secedes. I take it you've got nothing. Did you run out of Confederate sympathizer websites? The wiki site you cited was all that was needed to rebut your position, ExNYer. BTW, since when did wiki become a “Confederate site”?.,
And, realizing you've got nothing, you then try to shift the burden back to me by demanding that I show where Virgina ceased to be a state.
Very well, you asked for it. Here it is. In fact, I'll give you the Ordinances of Secession for ALL the Confederate states:
http://www.constitution.org/csa/ordi...n.htm#Virginia
I particularly enjoyed the part of the Virginia Ordinance of Secession that says:
"...whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and all acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying and adopting amendments to said Constitution, are hereby repealed and abrogated; that the union between the State of Virginia and the other States under the Constitution aforesaid is hereby dissolved, and that the State of Virginia is in the full possession and exercise of all the rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State."
How about you? Did you enjoy that part? Kind of settles the issue about whether or not Article IV, Section 3 applies if the Constitution is repealed, abrogated and dissolved, along with Virginia's ties to the USA. Right? Notice how the Virginia claimed it was still a "state", ExNYer. Still waiting for you to show where Virginia ceased to be a “state”, ExNYer.
How about when he invaded them? Presidents can't do that to real states. Lincoln did it! Read your history books, ExNYer.
And how Lincoln "dealt with" Virginia or what he "thought about" Virgina does NOT determine constitutionality. (Although you keep trying) A Supreme Court ruling saying WVa rejoining the US was unconstitutional would. Have you got one of those? No? too bad. You are wrong, ExNYer, and you don’t have a Supreme Court ruling claiming it was constitutional!
You need to read your history, ExNYer. Lincoln acted without congressional input following the events at Ft Sumter, and there was never a declaration of war from Congress: so it was all about how Lincoln "dealt with and "thought about" Virginia, et al. Furthermore, “The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878 [after the Civil War and because of Reconstruction], after the end of Radical Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies in using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any authority to do so must exist with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
It remains that you've got nothing. You're the one without a leg to stand on, ExNYer. You haven't been able to authoritatively substantiate a single one of your erroneous claims.
Except Lincoln hatred and nostalgia for a slavery-based mistake of history.
Yet another of your very ignorant assumptions, ExNYer!
Originally Posted by ExNYer
Now that's the most wacked thing I've ever heard. Originally Posted by theaustinescortsYou didn't hear it, you read it.
There's absolutely nothing to indicate Wilks was a "sociopath," ... Originally Posted by theaustinescortsYou must mean other than the fact that he murdered the President because he ended slavery. And he killed him after the war was over in order to reignite it. Like, there weren't enough dead already.
... and that you would make such an absurd exaggeration reflects a deep bias against the South. Originally Posted by theaustinescortsit wasn't absurd or even an exaggeration.
Booth yelled, "death to the tyrants" because he and millions of others deeply resented that Lincoln had made himself a dictator by throwing in jail anyone who criticized him or challenge him in court. Originally Posted by theaustinescortsBooth hated Lincoln because he hated abolition and anyone who dared free the slaves. And that was BEFORE the war even started.
Booth, like everyone else in Maryland, was against Lincoln for particular reasons pertaining to Maryland. When Lincoln saw the Maryland legislature was going to vote against him he illegally dissolved it, declared marshall law there, occupied it with Federal troops, and imprisoned anyone who spoke out against his tryannical actions.Booth was neither bold nor dedicated, nor courageous.
Booth was a bold and dedicated patriot who had the courage to do what most others feared - to risk sacrifcing his very life to strike a blow at the one person who singularly had brought more suffering to America than any other living being, as well as having destroyed its way of government in the false name of "saving the republic." Originally Posted by theaustinescorts
I like it that Lincoln's "cause" was so sacred that he left it open for anyone with $300 could save their lives from his grissly combat by paying $300 in lieu of being drafted. Without that way out for the rich of the north there would have been such an outcry from the wealthy against the war that they surely would have killed Lincoln long before Wilks had his chance. Originally Posted by theaustinescortsThe North needed the money for weapons more than they needed the men. They did what they had to to win the war. Good for them.
That war was fought by the north only by a few zealous volunteers and colossal hoards of poor young people who couldn't buy their way out to save themselves from death or amputation. Originally Posted by theaustinescortsSo, I guess the strategy worked then?
