High end market

Val, I fully agree. Just go to the Nude Showcase thread and you will find many of the hottest gals anywhere who are beautiful, toned and full GFE with lots and lots of passion. You are one of them.

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.... So you've never seen ladies that charged $200-$400 that were beautiful/GFE? Wow..... Originally Posted by Naomi4u

That just means more for me!! I seem to have no trouble finding incredibly beautiful women that are much more "reasonable" for us regular guys.....

That just means more for me!! I seem to have no trouble finding incredibly beautiful women that are much more "reasonable" for us regular guys..... Originally Posted by Ed Highlight

• No one says caviar, they just say "beluga" it's implied. It's like saying "horseback riding".....What the hell else are you going to ride....We just say "riding"

.. Originally Posted by sofiaofhouston

"Beluga" and "riding" have multiple meanings. "Cavier" and "Horse back riding" don't. There is nothing wrong with anyone acknowledging an awareness of that....especially when/if you are dealing with people of other nationalities.

That just means more for me!! I seem to have no trouble finding incredibly beautiful women that are much more "reasonable" for us regular guys..... Originally Posted by Ed Highlight

That's the beauty of this business. Even though we all have different tastes, there is always something out there for everyone. Like I said, unless you know how my mind operates or spent time in my shoes, I don't expect anybody to ever understand.

I see this notion thrown around on these boards all the time. People assume because you spend X amount on a provider, then you must be a high 6 or 7 figure income earner. That's not always the case, but that's a topic for another discussion.

"Beluga" and "riding" have multiple meanings. "Cavier" and "Horse back riding" don't. There is nothing wrong with anyone acknowledging an awareness of that....especially when/if you are dealing with people of other nationalities. Originally Posted by Camille

Which reminds me that, in my experience, the US is the only place where people eat tuna fish sandwiches; everywhere else people know tuna is a fish an eat tuna sandwiches

..... back to Groundhog day

Is it just me, or is this forum completely off-base for what its description implies? Upscale entertainment somehow was interpreted as " let me ask about tax shelters". Not ragging on this guy, but it seems all the posts are inconsistent with the category.

I'm not sure if I missed the boat on this one, but I'm wondering if a high-end provider market exists. Typical 2000-5000 bucks per hour type deals (or more). And ladies who are actually worth the money. I've seen a ton of high end providers who charge incredible amounts of money who are really no better than most of the girls we get in Dallas. Expectations differ by area of course, but can someone point me in the right direction? I have the money to buy the best, but I don't know where to find them.

Muchas Gracias!! Originally Posted by BradP

Good questions, Brad. Let me throw in my two cents. In Dallas, the highest end providers used to be brought in by a lady named Sydney who used to work in the business. The charge was $600 an hour, and to be honest, they couldn't get much more desirable: Maxim models, Playmates, Penthouse Pets ETC. With the great recession, even Sydney stopped bringing in said women. In part, I think it was a lack of clients, but there may have been personal reasons as well. She still brings in ladies every three months or so though. If you want her email, PM me. This is pretty much IMO the best Dallas has to offer as far as escorts go, and you are getting much of the best the country/world has to offer without traveling.

As for the women she brought in, I almost always preferred the ones who were from out of the country. My favorites were from England, Canada, and New Zealand, but there was one from California that was top notch too. Also the more titles a woman typically had, the lamer she was in bed.

I used to think then that American women were pretty lame. Two of the best hobby experiences that I had were with Suzy Solaris of Tampa and Morgan Marie of Atlanta, so let's put them in the top ten of my escort list. Both cost about a $1000 for two hours, so the assumption is that given that they are in my top ten, they are worth the price. However, it really depends on you: what is your time worth, and how much hassle are you willing to go through for getting the best in the escort world because seven of my top ten were in South America.

Getting to South America is a hassle, and the best places i found to hobby (Brazil, Paraguay, and Bolivia) all require not only a passport but a visa, and there is a language barrier. If you are making two grand a day or more, it is probably not worth it for you to go. The going rate for TLN (todas la noche or all night) is $200 to $400, so $1000 would buy you a week with one of these chicas. About half of these women actually think the right way to wake a man is not with an alarm clock but with a BBBJ. Sorry Folger's, but IMO that is the best way to wake up.

In the past, I had been critical of American women thinking that they were overpaid and underworked for their BCD skills, but let's face it, the hottest American women don't have to be escorts to pay their bills. And then there are the legal issues and the stigma, which may be the worst in the Western world.

The other place that is off the hook is not the better known Amsterdam but the FKK clubs in Germany. I haven't been, but everyone who has been says you can get women who will blow your body and mind for reasonable rates. The guys who go also say the stigma that exists in Germany for both men and women is much less than it is here.

As for American women, I found that while few of the "best" were willing to be escorts, a much larger portion of women were willing to be sugar babies. The places where you find these women are on the website seekingarrangement.com (and others), strip clubs, and the Hooters type restaurants. Unlike escorts who advertise being exclusive, many of these women really are. On the websites, the arrangement is advertised such that women get a monthly allowance for theoretically unlimited sessions, but in reality, I have not found a woman unwilling to take a per session amount or accept an unlimited amount of sessions. I pay $400 for two hours (or more if we both have more time) and have bedded women that would make your jaw drop.

The issue with the sugar babies again though is time. You have to put time into meeting and in some cases wooing the sugar baby, and that means kissing a lot of frogs to meet your princess. Seeing an escort is much less of a hassle on the time front, and there are times your sugar baby may not be available. Again, the question of value then depends on how much your time is worth.

I agree with Nina that a lot of the HDH market is in fact for guys looking to go bare back FS, but it is one of the almost taboo subjects here. Because the sugar baby relationship is more intimate than one with an escort, the BBFS is going to be offered up more often and likely for a whole lot less if that is what you are into.

A lot of guys have different ideas about what makes a good session (exclusivity, looks, skills ETC). For me, it is passion. Does the woman want to get me off, or is she just in it for the money doing as little as possible to justify her fee? Is she passionate about giving me the best session ever?

Once I got to know Morgan and Suzie, I swear both would be willing to give me oral for the whole two hours session if I asked them to. They may not have had an oral fetish, but both acted like they did.

Suzy even told me that she saw a guy for whom two hours meant two whole hours of fucking. Most women didn't want to see him because he wore them out, but Suzie saw that as a challenge and went for it. That is just the kind of gal she is.

The other part with me is intimacy, and no matter how great Suzie and Morgan were, when the clock strikes, they are done. The running out of the room was a reminder the intimacy with them was a fantasy,and I know that they will be out the next day or so with another client. That come down from seeing a great escort is quite the letdown, and so far, I have not felt that or at least not felt it as often or deeply with many of my sugar babies.

After having been with my SBs, my faith in American woman has been restored. As of now, my top five best of all time are my past and present American SBs.

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

The vast majority of volume will always be at the lower end & in real terms the improvements in access (namely the internet) will do nothing but drive the overall median price down. In fact as it relates to median price the HDH is market insignificant

Well that would explain why they are mythical. Originally Posted by pjorourke

I agree with what both of you stated, a) in terms of internet and homepages. As soon as an escort is an escort and advertises with a homepages in the internet, the market value is insignificant. There is no difference between someone charging 300 an hour and someone charging 500 an hour. Its irrellevant in the long run. The clients are the same and for long term agreements (travels etc.) both escort types charge the same. So the only difference is the hourly rate which is insignificant.


The "mythical" other arrangements do not enter the internet. You americans must be used to the term "madams". How does it happen? Mostly a model - a successful one, or once sucessful (now too old) one who has still numerous contacts in the scene delivers to clients of that high end market. Its not that obvious and if you approach all of them directly everyone will deny that. But that is how it happens.

I am surprised that these things strike some of you as such a surprise? Its quite normal. I felt kind of dumb that i did not discover earlier :-). What do you guys think happen at Fashion WEEKs and such and in cities like Milano , LA and NYC? That all models are truly only modeling? Wow ;-)))....There are only a handful of models who really can survive from that job. All semi-professional that are *known* but not too famous - well......

Every once and a while such things enter the newspaper - as it happened with the Italian Berlusconi. But , well, he was involved with underaged. That is quite a different story.

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If she knows wtf she is doing she shows the gents in her lifethe ways of the world! A successful woman elevates a mans sense of worth from the material to the sublime.That is HDH, again IMHO

Originally Posted by WTF

True, i fully agree. I don`t need clients to show me good restaurants :-). I need them for a) cash ....( at least i am honest ) and b) for intriguing discussions and interaction on an intellectual or sexual level. They pay me so they learn something from me. Its an interchange mostly, but hey, i am the pro :-). If i need a guy to show me the world, then i need to pay him, right ;-))))...

And i agree that guys with money don`t always know what a true HDH is. And guys with REAL money don`t buy escorts over the internet. Ever. I doubt - since he was discussed here - that Donald T. was looking at EROS when he was encountering his models ;-)..... (lol)...... :-)

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Val, I fully agree. Just go to the Nude Showcase thread and you will find many of the hottest gals anywhere who are beautiful, toned and full GFE with lots and lots of passion. You are one of them. Originally Posted by whitechocolate

So I guess the appropriate response is for a gang of HDH fans to go over to that forum and incessantly post about how just being naked, hot and toned is not the be all and end all of escorting and how guys that only value that and bbbj's are stupid.

@ Nina. Just for the record, my mythical comment was sarcasm.

So I guess the appropriate response is for a gang of HDH fans to go over to that forum and incessantly post about how just being naked, hot and toned is not the be all and end all of escorting and how guys that only value that and bbbj's are stupid. Originally Posted by pjorourke

I agree with this actually. I have never posted naked pictures of myself since I've been in the business and I did just fine. I even made more money when I had fully clothed pics on my website. I don't think one has to post nude pictures of themselves or engage in bbbjs to be successful as an escort. Men like mystery.

or engage in bbbjs to be successful as an escort. Men like mystery. Originally Posted by Naomi4u

I'd take a sure thing bbj over a mystery any day