Mind boggling that everyone seems to be worth $800 plus these days

The movie is about over, unless someone comes up with numbers that show more than 30-40 women who are even advertising those rates in this market. Originally Posted by TinMan

Post the pics of those 800 rates if you want to address OPs actual point.
He could have just as easily used 700 of 900 figure. The point was "there are a lot of women charging high rates that don't deserve it"
It DOES influence market prices because "butt ugly Tiffany" sees these rates and figures that is now the going rate, so thats what she charges. YOU are horny right now. You would fugg Tiffany if she was the actual rate of average. She isn't. It will take Tiffany months to rate correct and thats only if she's paying attention (which we know providers lack all self reflection).

The market is a glut of all women seeing 2025 Audi A6's going for $60k and thinking to themselves

Hmmmm...that CAR sells for $60k. I have a car (1999 Hyudai). It must be worth $60k, too

nb4 a handful of you autists spend 5 hours researching Kelly Blue Book values of Audis to refute the $60k figure and then declaring the entire argument invalid

But the numbers DO matter, and the OP chose $800 as the cutoff. There are a lot of guys who normally top out at $300 who will pay $400 because they are horny now and the woman is available when and where he wants, or her pics look good or she is said to be great on bed.

But there are fewer and fewer willing to pay as you raise that rate, which is why so few women in DFW are asking for $800+. It’s the market at work.

the numbers DO matter
the OP chose $800
guys normally $300 Originally Posted by TinMan

please, slow down. Take a deep breath. Relax.

[ What I'm articulating on behalf of OP, for the sake of constructive dialogue, is hobby phenomenon in every American region today. This isn't a complaint or bitch session. ]

• "normal" = $300
• double and more the "normal" = $800

do you see the point?
what expectations would you have for a product that is grossly overpriced? Its not unheard of to expect more.

OPs point wasn't EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS
It was the very real experience of every area where providers charge considerably more with the INTENTION of providing less.
THIS IS REAL


I would argue that you see this all areas of service today. People just don't give a shit about anything anymore. We're all commodities to be used up. If you didn't get the better end of a transaction, you're a sucker loser. Its brutal....
The difference between getting shitty service at the drive-thru, or a hotel, or your dealership versus a whore, it will sour you entirely on the hobby adding to an already long laundry list of obstacles this game has.



Why is that an issue? If you got bad service at McDonalds, you could call corporate, contact BBB, leave a google/Yelp review...voice your displeasure to set the expectations for other customers.
With the hobby, there is nothing for that so every encounter is a jackpot situation. Not only that, you typically need to pay upfront and its a major shitshow if things don't go the way for either party. People will say, "thats why we have eccie". This site represents 0.000002% of people engaging in the hobby. Even if you do share your experiences here, good luck getting anyone to see it after it has been hyper moderated, moved, or deleted. So, no....this site isn't that helpful.

Trust me, I’m relaxed. The few people who are charging or paying $800 aren’t setting the market, and it’s not part of some broader cultural phenomenon of declining service. It really is just some women are casting out a line, and they are doing a good enough job of marketing themselves to catch a few guys. It really has no bearing on what the rest of us do.

If you really want to get rid of the focus on the $800 mark, start another thread asking why guys pay $50 or $100 more for what you perceive to be the same product, and you might have a different conversation than the one we are having. The OP focused on $800, so that’s why I’m approaching it from that perspective.

please, slow down. Take a deep breath. Relax. Originally Posted by nobody_home

Tinman doesn't need a self appointed meditation wannabe,
quit riding his balls.
His math skills are just fine.

I do not believe the OP's original statement was that a trend of most providers were $800/hr and above, even tho just about all have raised their rates to one degree or another, he was simply stating that the ones who were at those rates was mind boggling, especially considering, per his opinion, the service and physical looks do not warrant it. And, even though the subject, along with a few others, have been talked about extensively (how come providers have an NBA policy, what is your definition of GFE, ect.), he has every right make the thread and to post his opinion on it.

Differing opinions on the same subject are what this site is all about. Believe me, this site needs more civil discussion threads!

However, many frequent posters tend to go down the same path(s), no matter the subject of the thread, leading us down the same rabbit hole each time.

Your expectations are yours to manage. Some of you are way way way overthinking this.



Also comparing to McDonalds is laughably simplistic.

I do not believe the OP's Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

yeah, but EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS!
I hear what you're saying , but EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS
did you even stop to consider EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS?

Also comparing to McDonalds is laughably simplistic. Originally Posted by corona

comparing it to rates for dumping waste at your county landfill would be more appropriate

to add to OP's position, yes, its crazy with providers. Particularly with the STG variety, that go to Tryst and jack their rates. I also see this with the 'off-brand' of potential sugar babies.
The exchange below is typical, where they may offer a PPM but its so egregious that you have to wonder what the fuck these chicks are on. This chick was just some 20-something tatted up beach bum burnout

Staff Edit - Image Removed - Biomed1

nb4 this is some arcane bylaw violation to add more demerits by the gatekeepers of low traffic forums

There's no value in 'complaining'. That much is clear. Girls are not going to be capable of introspection/self-analysis. I just had a potential SB over at the house Tues & Wed....she got picked up by the local police on warrants and immediately called ME to see if i would take in her pregnant dog while she gets extradited to Miami. lol....wat??
If there is any value in community, it would be sharing these experiences with one another, if for nothing else, 'solidarity'.

please, slow down. Take a deep breath. Relax.

[ What I'm articulating on behalf of OP, for the sake of constructive dialogue, is hobby phenomenon in every American region today. This isn't a complaint or bitch session. ]

• "normal" = $300
• double and more the "normal" = $800

do you see the point?
what expectations would you have for a product that is grossly overpriced? Its not unheard of to expect more.

OPs point wasn't EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS
It was the very real experience of every area where providers charge considerably more with the INTENTION of providing less.
THIS IS REAL


I would argue that you see this all areas of service today. People just don't give a shit about anything anymore. We're all commodities to be used up. If you didn't get the better end of a transaction, you're a sucker loser. Its brutal....
The difference between getting shitty service at the drive-thru, or a hotel, or your dealership versus a whore, it will sour you entirely on the hobby adding to an already long laundry list of obstacles this game has.



Why is that an issue? If you got bad service at McDonalds, you could call corporate, contact BBB, leave a google/Yelp review...voice your displeasure to set the expectations for other customers.
With the hobby, there is nothing for that so every encounter is a jackpot situation. Not only that, you typically need to pay upfront and its a major shitshow if things don't go the way for either party. People will say, "thats why we have eccie". This site represents 0.000002% of people engaging in the hobby. Even if you do share your experiences here, good luck getting anyone to see it after it has been hyper moderated, moved, or deleted. So, no....this site isn't that helpful. Originally Posted by nobody_home

Or

Now hear me out, the OP could comment and reply to Tinman and others.

Or
Now hear me out, the OP could comment and reply to Tinman and others. Originally Posted by Boltfan

interesting idea.
novel, perhaps.
not big on engaging in dialogue, eh?
What if OP has died? what then?
This thread is 15 pages. OP has replied ONLY TWICE

Tell me you posters at least have jerseys and hats when you engage in TEAMSPORTS tribalism on a message board, at least.
FORUM RULES

• guy starts a threat on a topic
• NO ONE ELSE MAY TAKE THE OP'S POSITION
• OP must battle to the death with forum conclave of 20k post retreads that can only be bothered to read the OP's first sentence

laaaaaame
I'm not sure how any of you are managing to "take sides" in whatever this thread is about. Some replies just come in without any intention of participating in an exchange, with nothing more than "bleh, OP is wrong and is a doo doo head". Wahoo! YOU WON!

Bro, you need to try decaf. What's that line from Good morning Vietnam? That man is in more dire need of a blowjob than anybody in human history?

Bro Originally Posted by corona

outstanding contribution of nothing to the topic

Ban coming in 5..4...3..2..

Ban coming in 5..4...3..2.. Originally Posted by Anthonylewis50

this such a GREAT place for 'discussion'