THE TRUTH

Never had the pleasure of meeting you Kat (although I sure wish I had) but I have no reason to doubt that everything you're saying is true. There's plenty of evidence here and on another website to convince me. I'd post a link to that other website but it outs lots and lots of personal info which is against the rules. Regardless, I know you are stepping away from the hobby and moving on with your life. Best of luck and hopefully you can leave the uglier parts of it in the past. Originally Posted by FrankieP

Great comments!

No part of life should be ugly. Thanks for the comments Kate.

If you leave the hobby it is your choice, and only yours. I have been in and out of the hobby for around 40 years. For the most part I have met some great ladies. To be blunt, it has been less expense that seeing a mental health clinic after loosing friends in war and the death of two wives.

Being even short time friends with women has helped to keep my head straight, and I admit it. Thank you ladies.

But, none of us need to have crazy people in our lives or in the hobby. None of us want or need to see anyone abused, and that is what is being shared with us today.

No one should want to associate with monsters or abusers.

I have seen my favorite ladies retire; time, after time again. Some have called me later just to be able to enjoy and evening with a friend. The best part of the hobby is not about the expense for the guys, or the income for the ladies. It is not about sex either, although everyone enjoys sex. It is about the human contact that we all crave.

Beyond the hobby, which only gives us a temporary, but needed, satisfaction is the real world where we get the satisfaction of caring for each other, our community, our families, and our children. Life is about protecting and sharing with others.

JR

I have spent a lot of time doing my research before ever calling a lady. I missed getting the proper information on LC. When all of this started I thought: why is everyone being negative about her? Now I know from the ladies what the real story is.
Let's keep this thread going. This is the best, and most, information that has been on ECCIE in years. This informs everyone what some individuals are really like.
JR Originally Posted by JRLawrence

JR,
I'm pleasantly surprised at your post(s). It takes a big guy to admit that he's changed his thoughts on this topic. Thus, as one of the guys that's previously taken exception to some of your prior posts, I want to acknowledge your change of thought, and thank you for stepping up to the plate on this topic.

Good morning all
I'll be out at provider popular location today to gather what ever real world data I can. anyone interested in joining me just look for me in the lobby.
Happy day to all.

Mr. Dudistpreist

You have had your ass handed to you by some of the ladies from KCMO and Kansas them along came Malwoody, he kicked you in the JUNK you Balls went thru the uprights at the East End of Arrowhead.

Ladies and Mr Malwoody did a great job, but they were dealing with a unarmed person. Originally Posted by old-tyme-racer

Is this AY?

Good morning all
I'll be out at provider popular location today to gather what ever real world data I can. anyone interested in joining me just look for me in the lobby.
Happy day to all. Originally Posted by dudistpreist

That sounds like some kind of threat to everyone here.

JR

The truth Kat is that yes you do have a hard on for this pimp. I am not going to comb through the novel length "A Pimps Lil Black Book" thread to find the quote, but whether intentionally or unintentionally, you gave us all insight into why you have such a hard on for this AY person.

He chose Lariyah over you. You didn't leave him. He left you. So your "truth" is somewhat incomplete without that piece of information.

For my part, I have provided both Ellie and Lariyah numerous references. I will continue to do so. Its not my place to judge their choices. I myself would never in a million years have a pimp, but the choice is theirs. There is no reason to believe that either woman is being forced or coerced, no reason to believe that they are under threat of violence if they choose to leave.

If I thought they were dangerous, I would never encourage gentlemen who's well being I care about to see them. However, there is no reason for me to believe that any man who sees them is putting himself at any greater risk with these women than he is with any woman he sees.

I will not disrespect my clients by withholding a reference.
I will not allow these women to put themselves at risk by denying them the information I would freely provide to any other provider.

One last thought on this pimp business. A long time ago, in one of the bajillion pimp threads, a hobbyist stated unequivocally that he had never seen a woman with a pimp, nor would he ever. I laughed when I saw his list of reviews. He had 5 reviews, and his most recent review was of a provider who was widely known to have a pimp. Clearly, he had no idea when he saw her that she had a pimp. Therein lies the rub.

So the concern is that by seeing a pimped provider, your information could now be in the hands of a pimp? How is that different from putting your information in my hands? Or in another provider's hands? Am I not capable of going bunny boiler crazy and doing nefarious things with your information? Of course I am. Every provider has that potential. However, I've spent 9 years building a stellar reputation. No man is worth destroying that reputation.

My first introduction to the reference system was a trial by fire. I gave an independant (meaning NO pimp involved) provider a reference. Turned out she wasn't looking for a reference for a new client. She was checking up on an existing client to see if he was seeing other providers. When I unwittingly confirmed her suspicions, she went batshit crazy on the poor guy. Called his work, called his wife, etc. A pimp didn't do that. An *independent* provider opened up a can of crazy on the poor guy.

I am really over this repetitive theme. As soon as I hear credible information that either Lariyah or Ellie are in danger, abused, or in any way harmed, then I will care and have compassion for their situation, and a willingness to help them if they need it. Until then, they are grown women, free to make their own choices, no matter how good or bad those choices seem to the rest of us.

I'm really convinced dudi is either AY or one of his girls pretending to be someone else. He's said one too many things I've heard AY say.

The truth Kat is that yes you do have a hard on for this pimp. I am not going to comb through the novel length "A Pimps Lil Black Book" thread to find the quote, but whether intentionally or unintentionally, you gave us all insight into why you have such a hard on for this AY person.

He chose Lariyah over you. You didn't leave him. He left you. So your "truth" is somewhat incomplete without that piece of information.

For my part, I have provided both Ellie and Lariyah numerous references. I will continue to do so. Its not my place to judge their choices. I myself would never in a million years have a pimp, but the choice is theirs. There is no reason to believe that either woman is being forced or coerced, no reason to believe that they are under threat of violence if they choose to leave.

If I thought they were dangerous, I would never encourage gentlemen who's well being I care about to see them. However, there is no reason for me to believe that any man who sees them is putting himself at any greater risk with these women than he is with any woman he sees.

I will not disrespect my clients by withholding a reference.
I will not allow these women to put themselves at risk by denying them the information I would freely provide to any other provider.

One last thought on this pimp business. A long time ago, in one of the bajillion pimp threads, a hobbyist stated unequivocally that he had never seen a woman with a pimp, nor would he ever. I laughed when I saw his list of reviews. He had 5 reviews, and his most recent review was of a provider who was widely known to have a pimp. Clearly, he had no idea when he saw her that she had a pimp. Therein lies the rub.

So the concern is that by seeing a pimped provider, your information could now be in the hands of a pimp? How is that different from putting your information in my hands? Or in another provider's hands? Am I not capable of going bunny boiler crazy and doing nefarious things with your information? Of course I am. Every provider has that potential. However, I've spent 9 years building a stellar reputation. No man is worth destroying that reputation.

My first introduction to the reference system was a trial by fire. I gave an independant (meaning NO pimp involved) provider a reference. Turned out she wasn't looking for a reference for a new client. She was checking up on an existing client to see if he was seeing other providers. When I unwittingly confirmed her suspicions, she went batshit crazy on the poor guy. Called his work, called his wife, etc. A pimp didn't do that. An *independent* provider opened up a can of crazy on the poor guy.

I am really over this repetitive theme. As soon as I hear credible information that either Lariyah or Ellie are in danger, abused, or in any way harmed, then I will care and have compassion for their situation, and a willingness to help them if they need it. Until then, they are grown women, free to make their own choices, no matter how good or bad those choices seem to the rest of us. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

Like I've stated, pimps are not your boyfriend, there is no choosing over someone. Secondly, my purpose for stating anything I did was to prevent anyone else from getting used or hurt. People who have seen &/or dealt with what I've mentioned knows, there's no "hard on" for their pimp.

That sounds like some kind of threat to everyone here.

JR Originally Posted by JRLawrence

How is sitting in a lobby and being observant threatening. I'm just curious and want to get better informed about who I might be dealing with in the future. That real world info seemed important to many who posted last night and I just want to provide the most informed opinion possible

Like I've stated, pimps are not your boyfriend, there is no choosing over someone. Secondly, my purpose for stating anything I did was to prevent anyone else from getting used or hurt. People who have seen &/or dealt with what I've mentioned knows, there's no "hard on" for their pimp. Originally Posted by Kat VonDee

I'm not saving nobody's ass by any means with what I have to say... But me & AY had a bad romance. I can't firmly confirm or deny he controls her accounts or even what their relationship is. All I can confirm is he chose to be with her over me. Originally Posted by Kat VonDee

Turns out it wasn't that hard to go back and find it.

Another important factor since you're not aware of how the game works. A pimp will never leave a hoe, that's leaving $$. Why in the hell would he do that lol? So left me for another hoe? Yeah, maybe if he was my boyfriend & he found a better girlfriend, but he's a pimp, he found another hoe. I'm sorry Lariyah has you thinking she stole my boyfriend when we live in 2 very different cities, & states in a matter of fact. & Lariyah popped up in 2013, I was around since 2012, left him this year. So... If he found "better" & he was my boyfriend, why didn't he leave me when he found the great Lariyah? Pimps don't leave their money.

Sins
Thank you,
I knew that I had seen that section of the old post but didn't have the time, inclination or ability to transfer it to this thread.
FYI, I'm not looking to build any alliance

Have a good day

How is sitting in a lobby and being observant threatening. I'm just curious and want to get better informed about who I might be dealing with in the future. That real world info seemed important to many who posted last night and I just want to provide the most informed opinion possible Originally Posted by dudistpreist

On who u might be dealing with in the future? Youve been dealing with em and if LC and musty whatshername have p411 accts you already have way more than enough RL info on plenty of people. MAIN reason I got a problem with ur gimp ass. I mean pimp ass is cuz ur a worthless LOP and because its just straight bullshit ur bitch ass gets to lurk in the boring ass powder rooms, u can see everything said in the ML cuz u write reviews on ur hoes n get PA, u aint gotta do shit but line these bitches uterus with ur useless seed and post a few ads. Wtf. Y are you wasting my air? U are a disgrace to the human race and in todays world... That's fuckin sayin somethin. But whatever. Keep ur pimp hand strong. smdh

Good morning all
I'll be out at provider popular location today to gather what ever real world data I can. anyone interested in joining me just look for me in the lobby.
Happy day to all. Originally Posted by dudistpreist

Please wave at the new camaras that over a dozen places north and downtown have installed over last several months.

Another important factor since you're not aware of how the game works. A pimp will never leave a hoe, that's leaving $$. Why in the hell would he do that lol? So left me for another hoe? Yeah, maybe if he was my boyfriend & he found a better girlfriend, but he's a pimp, he found another hoe. I'm sorry Lariyah has you thinking she stole my boyfriend when we live in 2 very different cities, & states in a matter of fact. & Lariyah popped up in 2013, I was around since 2012, left him this year. So... If he found "better" & he was my boyfriend, why didn't he leave me when he found the great Lariyah? Pimps don't leave their money. Originally Posted by Kat VonDee

And still you lie