wtf are you talking about? You give the benefit of the doubt to some drunk bitch that didn't have the good business sense to stay sober at a mix and mingle. We are not talking about rape, we are talking about not getting paid when you she thought she would be. Quit mixing laws to suit your argument. If blowpop took advantage of a drunk bitch and beat her out of some money, he is an asshole for doing so but don't come on here defending the dumb drunk bitch. And I sure as fuc am taking anything a drunk says with a grain of salt. One thing you might want to think about ... nothing honorable in my book by being unethical to try and prove another is unethical.
You apparently. No one knew who the fuck we were talking about until you said something. AND WHY DO YOU THINK THERE'S A RULE AGAINST IT! Also, we've been specificaly clear this was an ASPD party. You know, the ones that no one's throwing anymore.
And while we're at the drunk part. If you're stumbling down drunk, you're too drunk to consent. Period the end. You know that. . Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
- WTF
- 06-05-2013, 11:32 AM
- boardman
- 06-05-2013, 01:05 PM
What I've learned. (that I actually already knew)
If you are comparing a board persona to the actual fucktard then you are stupid.
Ladies,
Money being the same, would you rather see a fucktard that is an asshole on the board but respectful to you TCB and BCD?
or
would you rather see a guy that proclaims to be and for the most part is a nice guy on the board but his actions TCB and BCD show him to be someone who doesn't actually respect the woman and will take advantage of situations?
Because honestly that's what I think is really at play here. Person vs. persona. Some of us can differentiate, some of us can't and some of us hope like hell that providers aren't smart enough to know the difference.
If you are comparing a board persona to the actual fucktard then you are stupid.
Ladies,
Money being the same, would you rather see a fucktard that is an asshole on the board but respectful to you TCB and BCD?
or
would you rather see a guy that proclaims to be and for the most part is a nice guy on the board but his actions TCB and BCD show him to be someone who doesn't actually respect the woman and will take advantage of situations?
Because honestly that's what I think is really at play here. Person vs. persona. Some of us can differentiate, some of us can't and some of us hope like hell that providers aren't smart enough to know the difference.
- oilfieldscum
- 06-05-2013, 01:11 PM
So, if a hooktard gets drunck at a social and loses the faculty to walk that fine line of "giving a fucktard a taste" vs "getting er done", a "gentleman" can see the values in teaching that hooktard a life lesson and teach that whore not to get drunck...........heh.......... ..and I am called an asshole........ijs Originally Posted by dearhunterYeah but you like being called an asshole....ijs
- TransAm
- 06-05-2013, 01:15 PM
What I've learned. (that I actually already knew)Aww shit, don't get us back into board personas. This thread will run until Christmas.
If you are comparing a board persona to the actual fucktard then you are stupid.
Ladies,
Money being the same, would you rather see a fucktard that is an asshole on the board but respectful to you TCB and BCD?
or
would you rather see a guy that proclaims to be and for the most part is a nice guy on the board but his actions TCB and BCD show him to be someone who doesn't actually respect the woman and will take advantage of situations?
Because honestly that's what I think is really at play here. Person vs. persona. Some of us can differentiate, some of us can't and some of us hope like hell that providers aren't smart enough to know the difference. Originally Posted by boardman
But since you did... I think the board persona deal is a bit overplayed. While I grant there are differences between persona and person, I think the persona says just as much about the person as any other factor might. So while the persona might not be representative of the whole, it's certainly representative of something.
- Seedy
- 06-05-2013, 01:18 PM
Aww shit, don't get us back into board personas. This thread will run until Christmas.No TA, boardman hit the nail on the head.
But since you did... I think the board persona deal is a bit overplayed. While I grant there are differences between persona and person, I think the persona says just as much about the person as any other factor might. So while the persona might not be representative of the whole, it's certainly representative of something. Originally Posted by TransAm
- WTF
- 06-05-2013, 01:25 PM
We all have different motive's for being in this thread.
- TransAm
- 06-05-2013, 01:26 PM
No TA, boardman hit the nail on the head. Originally Posted by seedman55I'm not saying he didn't. Maybe I'd better clarify my position. We've seen on the board that sometimes the "persona" excuse is used to cover up or otherwise excuse behavior that wouldn't be tolerated from a person. I don't find that a convincing argument, but that's just me.
- Guest050715-1
- 06-05-2013, 01:30 PM
LV,Here's the dealio lawyer man...................A, LV isn't a hooktard like I posted earlier she's a fucktard, and B, you're doing the typical lawyer thingie...........concentratin g on what you and you perceive others will see as the weak side of the argument. We aren't the OJ jury and this isn't So Cal. The rest of the argument - that which he is truly being hung by - which hopefully you being an attorney will understand though some here seem not to understand is thus:
Trying to complicate a simple business transaction gets you uh, what? If the buyer wants to negotiate and the seller doesn't, no matter what type of complications the seller tries to interject in the negotiations (emotional or not), the buyer has an equal right to reject those interjections even if it's for your ass.
I do commend your efforts to complicate this simple transaction..... for the sake of argument?, apparently. You would do well in my profession where the object is to argue. Some days emotions do get the best of us. Cheers hun. Originally Posted by JBravo
1 - He took advantage - though you being a lawyer, I'll bet you know another term - of a drunk lady at a social.
2 - He contracts with ladies for one thing and coerces them into another, e.g., I promise you, no lady contracts to give him a fifty-five minute blow job - ever. There are many different activities in any given appointment. And top of I-ain't-doing-that is staying down on some guy's dick for an hour. It's painful, and it was not contracted to.
Add to that that the contracted time is one hour - and no, I wasn't a clock watcher by a long shot - not an hour of dick sucking and fifteen minutes of unhinging your jaw whilst Blowpapi fucks around doing whatever he does.
Item Number Two is customary so I can understand where this isn't really a breach of contract. But by leading a lady to believe she can either beon his "famous" list or get a bad review if she doesn't participate in activities she's not contracted to, he is breaching the contract.
3 - He still hasn't explained where all these euphemistically needy women come from. Do they just jump in his lap where his dick is, trip and fall and while breaking her fall, does she unzip his pants and land on his dick with her open and eager mouth?
4 - His list is misleading. Isn't there some kind of law, other than the well known and quite over used law of Buyer Be Ware, that governs false advertising. He hasn't had a blowjob by some of those women in years.
5 - Grifting is illegal. His Top 10 is really a Top 9. Give me a free blowjob, the way we didn't contract for, and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE you'll get mentioned on my Top Tenish list and a glowing review, or no review and a slot on my Top Tenish list or no slot on my Top Tenish list and a bad review or a bad review or none of the above.
Why I hate buying a car summed up in 16 pages of comments......... Originally Posted by lostincypressI will take WTF's
and raise you three thousand .I got bored hitting the smiley button so it's only three.
- blowpop
- 06-05-2013, 02:14 PM
Regardless of what side you fall on the negotiation issue, people need to stop comparing it to hotel rooms and light fixtures.It is absolutely different. It's an extremely personal service, very intimate, sometimes dangerous.
It is NOT the same thing. It is a personal service, not an item sitting on a showroom floor or an empty room. Someone is spending their personal time performing physical and/or emotional labour and in this particular field, potentially risking their safety. It makes sense that it is valued and rated on a different scale. Originally Posted by Liliana Vess
But it's also a business. And businesses have to consider revenue.
If you're a provider who wants to do one session a day, when that day goes by without a booking, you can never get that lost revenue back. Each provider has to determine for herself whether she's OK with this, or whether she'd rather get something less than her preferred rate rather than nothing.
There is no right or wrong answer. It's a very personal decision.
- Guest050715-1
- 06-05-2013, 02:24 PM
If you're a provider who wants to do one session a day, when that day goes by without a booking, you can never get that lost revenue back. Each provider has to determine for herself whether she's OK with this, or whether she'd rather get something less than her preferred rate rather than nothing. Originally Posted by blowpop
You just don't get it do you? It's not how many appointments a day, it's how much money do you need to make to meet your cash flow needs and want to make on top of that. It's about the money. Don't you get that yet? Stop giving bad advise on this and the thread about rates and tieing one's self worth to rates.
- dearhunter
- 06-05-2013, 02:28 PM
But but but my babies gotta eat.........and BlowPup is going to save me
- Guest050715-1
- 06-05-2013, 02:35 PM
But but but my babies gotta eat.........and BlowPup is going to save me Originally Posted by dearhunterMaybe he's the only game in town....................du know.
- blowpop
- 06-05-2013, 02:55 PM
Olivia, you're getting tedious. I'll answer one more time.
It's one thing to share your opinions, but I'm getting tired of your intentional misrepresentations.I'm tired of defending myself against these allegations from a provider with some sort of agenda, whom I've never scheduled with, making allegations based on gossip about an event from many years ago.
Here's a free clue: Some providers actually enjoy themselves at parties, and enjoy fooling around when they feel an attraction. Not all women look at men only as ATMs. I suspect this is far outside of your personal experience, so I'm making allowances for the mental jump it represents for you.
When I schedule an appointment, I reserve (and pay for) a period of time. What we do in the session is mutually agreed upon. Always. I don't ever coerce or force a provider to do anything. EVER.
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3 - He still hasn't explained where all these euphemistically needy women come from. Do they just jump in his lap where his dick is, trip and fall and while breaking her fall, does she unzip his pants and land on his dick with her open and eager mouth?[/quote]
You keep asking this inane question. Sometimes I contact women to schedule appointments. Sometimes they contact me. You really need this explained to you?
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4 - His list is misleading. Isn't there some kind of law, other than the well known and quite over used law of Buyer Be Ware, that governs false advertising. He hasn't had a blowjob by some of those women in years.[/QUOTE]
Misleading? Is your reading comprehension lacking, Olivia? My list is nothing more than my favorite providers - the ones I can recommend without hesitaiton.
Do I claim it's objective? No.
Do I claim it's comprehensive? No.
Do I say I've seen all these providers in the past six months? No. Why would that even matter? In my experience, women become more talented as they gain experience. (At least until the point where some become bitter, but I don't have to explain that part to you.)
Do some guys find it helpful? Yes.
What I don't understand is why a list of my opinions, posted at most once a quarter, is so threatening to you that you feel the need to launch an attack on me.
Is it because you don't appear on it? If so, you're going to have to live with that, because I have zero interest in scheduling with someone with such a bitter attitude.
Just like everyone else.
But you certainly are dramatic. I guess you're unable to conceive of the obvious: The providers on the list are the ones who impressed me the most with their talents, and whom I can recommend wholeheartedly.
Riddle me this: Where are the objections to the providers on my list? A consensus that one or more providers don't belong there?Are there any on the list who don't have the reputation for being good at what they do?
So if the grift's not on my list, where is it? You're certainly obsessed with the concept. It's interesting to speculate the reason.
If you want to talk about grift, how about that of an aging, well-past-her-prime provider who's trying to manipulate younger, more attractive women into maximizing their rates, thus making herself more competitive in the marketplace?
Or a provider who doesn't appear on a list of favorites who then posts message after message trying to discredit it?
Clearly you've got an axe to grind. I have to wonder what the real reason is.
It's one thing to share your opinions, but I'm getting tired of your intentional misrepresentations.I'm tired of defending myself against these allegations from a provider with some sort of agenda, whom I've never scheduled with, making allegations based on gossip about an event from many years ago.
1 - He took advantage - though you being a lawyer, I'll bet you know another term - of a drunk lady at a social. Originally Posted by OliviaHowardI took advantage of nothing. I enjoyed what was offered freely. I had no reason to suspect that the provider was in a state where she didn't know exactly what she was doing. I still don't.
Here's a free clue: Some providers actually enjoy themselves at parties, and enjoy fooling around when they feel an attraction. Not all women look at men only as ATMs. I suspect this is far outside of your personal experience, so I'm making allowances for the mental jump it represents for you.
2 - He contracts with ladies for one thing and coerces them into another, e.g., I promise you, no lady contracts to give him a fifty-five minute blow job - ever. There are many different activities in any given appointment. And top of I-ain't-doing-that is staying down on some guy's dick for an hour. It's painful, and it was not contracted to. Originally Posted by OliviaHowardThat's out and out bullshit. I don't coerce anyone into anything. Whenever practical, I even explain up front that I don't do FS in sessions.
When I schedule an appointment, I reserve (and pay for) a period of time. What we do in the session is mutually agreed upon. Always. I don't ever coerce or force a provider to do anything. EVER.
Add to that that the contracted time is one hour - and no, I wasn't a clock watcher by a long shot - not an hour of dick sucking and fifteen minutes of unhinging your jaw whilst Blowpapi fucks around doing whatever he does. Originally Posted by OliviaHowardYou weren't a clock watcher? I've never scheduled with you, and to the best of my knowledge, I've never met you in person. Are you now imagining that you and I have spent time together BCD? You have zero personal knowledge of what goes on in session with me, and yet you attempt this endless attack on my character.
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3 - He still hasn't explained where all these euphemistically needy women come from. Do they just jump in his lap where his dick is, trip and fall and while breaking her fall, does she unzip his pants and land on his dick with her open and eager mouth?[/quote]
You keep asking this inane question. Sometimes I contact women to schedule appointments. Sometimes they contact me. You really need this explained to you?
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4 - His list is misleading. Isn't there some kind of law, other than the well known and quite over used law of Buyer Be Ware, that governs false advertising. He hasn't had a blowjob by some of those women in years.[/QUOTE]
Misleading? Is your reading comprehension lacking, Olivia? My list is nothing more than my favorite providers - the ones I can recommend without hesitaiton.
Do I claim it's objective? No.
Do I claim it's comprehensive? No.
Do I say I've seen all these providers in the past six months? No. Why would that even matter? In my experience, women become more talented as they gain experience. (At least until the point where some become bitter, but I don't have to explain that part to you.)
Do some guys find it helpful? Yes.
What I don't understand is why a list of my opinions, posted at most once a quarter, is so threatening to you that you feel the need to launch an attack on me.
Is it because you don't appear on it? If so, you're going to have to live with that, because I have zero interest in scheduling with someone with such a bitter attitude.
5 - Grifting is illegal. His Top 10 is really a Top 9. Give me a free blowjob, the way we didn't contract for, and MAYBE, JUST MAYBE you'll get mentioned on my Top Tenish list and a glowing review, or no review and a slot on my Top Tenish list or no slot on my Top Tenish list and a bad review or a bad review or none of the above. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward"Grifting". Posting a list that reflects my opinion isn't a grift. I don't guarantee a spot on my list to anyone. I don't demand free blowjobs from anyone. When I schedule a session, I pay the rate a provider asks. Do I get offered specials from time to time? Of course.
Just like everyone else.
But you certainly are dramatic. I guess you're unable to conceive of the obvious: The providers on the list are the ones who impressed me the most with their talents, and whom I can recommend wholeheartedly.
Riddle me this: Where are the objections to the providers on my list? A consensus that one or more providers don't belong there?Are there any on the list who don't have the reputation for being good at what they do?
So if the grift's not on my list, where is it? You're certainly obsessed with the concept. It's interesting to speculate the reason.
If you want to talk about grift, how about that of an aging, well-past-her-prime provider who's trying to manipulate younger, more attractive women into maximizing their rates, thus making herself more competitive in the marketplace?
Or a provider who doesn't appear on a list of favorites who then posts message after message trying to discredit it?
Clearly you've got an axe to grind. I have to wonder what the real reason is.
- blowpop
- 06-05-2013, 02:58 PM
Olivia, I give up. If you aren't capable of understanding the points in my posts, I'm not going to try to keep explaining things to you.
You just don't get it do you? It's not how many appointments a day, it's how much money do you need to make to meet your cash flow needs and want to make on top of that. It's about the money. Don't you get that yet? Stop giving bad advise on this and the thread about rates and tieing one's self worth to rates. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward
Your knowledge of basic economics seems to be right up there with your judgements about human nature.
- JBravo
- 06-05-2013, 03:03 PM
My dear Olivia,
If you could step back for a minute and re-read this thread, you would come to the conclusion that this is a 'bordeline' business arrangement that has two fucktards as principals. I believe her actions were the result of being drunk and his quite frankly, because he has a dick and a penchant for exploiting a hooktard when she became a fucktard. Hell, just because he started out as a fucktard from hello, doesn't mean he can be held accountable for not becoming a prince when he got drunk or approached by a drunken pussy. She is not being held accountable because she was drunk and in a state of being 'taken advantage of'? Why is he not forwarded the same defense liberty.
Oh, I get it, there is an emotional side of hooking that only someone full of estrogen can understand and have liberty at taking the higher ground with. BS. There is only an emotional side to hooking if you interject one. If you interject one, you are a lousy businesswoman. Look they both carry equal fault, They maybe got too drunk to carry on a sound business transaction. She could have just as easily taken advantage of him and the situation and cried foul. Been done before. To have the expectation that all parties are on the up and up in the hoooktard v.s. fucktard world is cause for continual disappointment. Once you are high, drunk or just plain stupid the expectations of rational behavior should never be an out; civilian life included.
Hey, she got drunk, messed up. He maybe got drunk but messed up. Can I go home now?
P.S. You can't call me lawyer boy. That only applies to those they allow to carry the license. If you have one and they make you give it back disallows you from wearing the title. I'm perfectly happy with fucktard. and a former hooktard who becomes a fucktard should be as equally happy. We all live with the consequences of our actions or we can bitch we've been fucked over when maybe we haven't and lose revenue. Why else fuck for money? Revenge? Uh oh, I'm going to get it for that.
If you could step back for a minute and re-read this thread, you would come to the conclusion that this is a 'bordeline' business arrangement that has two fucktards as principals. I believe her actions were the result of being drunk and his quite frankly, because he has a dick and a penchant for exploiting a hooktard when she became a fucktard. Hell, just because he started out as a fucktard from hello, doesn't mean he can be held accountable for not becoming a prince when he got drunk or approached by a drunken pussy. She is not being held accountable because she was drunk and in a state of being 'taken advantage of'? Why is he not forwarded the same defense liberty.
Oh, I get it, there is an emotional side of hooking that only someone full of estrogen can understand and have liberty at taking the higher ground with. BS. There is only an emotional side to hooking if you interject one. If you interject one, you are a lousy businesswoman. Look they both carry equal fault, They maybe got too drunk to carry on a sound business transaction. She could have just as easily taken advantage of him and the situation and cried foul. Been done before. To have the expectation that all parties are on the up and up in the hoooktard v.s. fucktard world is cause for continual disappointment. Once you are high, drunk or just plain stupid the expectations of rational behavior should never be an out; civilian life included.
Hey, she got drunk, messed up. He maybe got drunk but messed up. Can I go home now?
P.S. You can't call me lawyer boy. That only applies to those they allow to carry the license. If you have one and they make you give it back disallows you from wearing the title. I'm perfectly happy with fucktard. and a former hooktard who becomes a fucktard should be as equally happy. We all live with the consequences of our actions or we can bitch we've been fucked over when maybe we haven't and lose revenue. Why else fuck for money? Revenge? Uh oh, I'm going to get it for that.