I like the SD that are extra generous and don't mind his baby working a little. I mean just be a little open minded. Gosh, is that to much to ask for lol. Originally Posted by bustyamyYes, it's too much to ask. Sd/sb is NOT escort on retainer.
- Energy
- 08-24-2013, 12:09 AM
- Ninotsugi
- 08-24-2013, 12:21 AM
Total bullshit. A SB doesn't suck six different dicks a day, although the mentoring SD may agree to that. Just the evolution of your buziness, seeking more money from some poor sap that thinks he is special. TFF. Originally Posted by molnarDear Molnar:
I'm usually not a partaker of 'Low Lying Fruit' however I do believe you have made me the subject of your Rant, first off do you kiss your Mother with that mouth... assuming she the takes time to visit you in the Mental Institution your obviously a Resident of. I see you have chosen 'six different dicks a day', is that the same amount of times you pick your Knuckles off the ground to pleasure yourself...I imagine its painful for you Poor Creature. Lastly TFF rely...I did not think they gave Memberships to 12-year-olds, grow-up and stop writing in a Vernacular that makes you appear so IDIOTIC.
Arigato,
Haruka-Chan
(228) 238-7110
- LordBeaverbrook
- 08-24-2013, 10:23 AM
Sidewinder is right on point, but to take another tack to get it across, let's focus again on the original title, post and OP, which I included above.Now hiring for Sugar Daddy
I hear thats what this section is about lol. And well it would be nice to have ONE friend to cater to. What do you all think? What exactly is this section about? Originally Posted by bustyamy
With that in mind, I'm willing to both be hired and catered to as an SD (well a somewhat skewed definition and extension of the SD label I admit) because I'm such a magnanimous guy (always willing to give a girl a chance and try something new....for a price)! Get it?
- LordBeaverbrook
- 08-24-2013, 10:54 AM
I want a sd!Before you ladies here can really say this, you should think of the whole SD/SB vs. Provider realm more like being acting in movies (extras, character actors, movie stars) and less like a metaphor, some of you here who are somewhat imagination challenged might quickly get, such as shopping for handbags.
If the shopping for handbags metaphor applies (which I contend it doesn't), to making a transition from being a provider to an SB, as some here have expressed a desire to do, it would be more like moving from J.C. Penny's or Macy's to Barneys or Hermès. Of course, the handbags would have to pay you to take them (now isn't that a dream) and the more expensive ones would obviously pay you more, a lot more. Thus, it seems, many here (not those of you with imagination and vision) seem to think of transitioning from provider to SB as just trading up to nicer models and getting more cash to do it, but the process isn't the same. It just isn't.
Men and especially SDs, are not handbags (or combination handbags and ATMs). Especially not the guys who can afford to be SDs and have put the effort in to learning how and actually executing a plan. They are smart and have much much more to offer than cash and a hard dick. We men may on occasion be pond scum (but usually not SDs) but we aren't ATM handbags. This, it seems to me, is a metaphor many providers would understand when they think about having an SB/SD relationship, but it is a terribly flawed way to think about it.
If you will indulge me just a bit longer here, I would suggest that the whole realm here equates with a more movie actor type metaphor. Think of the providers as extras or bit parts where they usually get paid scale and generally don't audition for the part (but may interview or even show clips).
Next up are the character actors who are more like SBs. They often have a much larger/longer role, but they have to audition (unpaid) for their parts and often the auditions are very competitive. They also have skills and experience or attitude that broader and deeper, or at least different from extras and they bring these skills to bear in their roles. A lot of those who are extras think they want bigger roles, but just aren't willing to apply broader or different skills and put the hard work in to become a character actor or don't have the heart to approach the job in the way it takes.
They usually feel if they are working they should be getting paid, period, otherwise they are "giving it away". While the real actors usually do it for the love of the craft and would give it away except when they can get paid for it. Also, often the character actors are absolutely thrilled that they can actually get paid for what they need/love to do. Finally, the character actors also have a range of skills and things that they do (think of them perhaps as method actors) that far outstrip the extras and don't always encompass "acting".
Plus, (and this is a big point) the actors have their hearts in it, their whole hearts. Almost no one makes a career of being an extra. Actors suffer poverty for their whole lives to act, even when they aren't very good. It is thrilling to be around movies, actors, directors etc..., but if the bit parts dried up it wouldn't kill most of them. Actors would have to find something to act in if all the parts dried up. They just can't live without it most of them. No one type is "better" than the other. Movies would not get made without extras, character actors and movie stars, though some are.
Finally, I admit, when you bring in movie stars the metaphor breaks down (and for other reasons as well which I'm sure some providers will indignantly and dramatically point out shortly) because they don't usually audition and they are usually in love with the craft (not to mention their multi-million dollar salaries), but hey, there are no perfect metaphors. Does this help at all (it was fun writing it so I could actually give a damn)?
- heinz5710
- 08-25-2013, 08:53 AM
This is an interesting discussion. I think what I have gleaned is the fact that SD\SB relationships are more like BF\GF relationships. Those people in them take great offense when providers are looking for this and point out once again how tough it is for providers to have a BF\GF affair because providers deep inside think the 'sex for money' can apply. They think the whores are the only ones who are giving it away. To providers it is a marketable item because the male demand by far exceeds the supply of free love. I believe there is fault here because in all relationships there is something to be gained for both parties. The SD\SB have rationalized the 'sex for money' out.
On the other side are the providers who would love to have what is considered a more normal life. They don't want to have many clients. They don't want to keep operating a business and trolling for clients. It would be nice to have some gentlemen take care of some of the bills. The problem here is that once you have used sex as a weapon or as a commodity, it is virtually impossible not to weaponize what you have. Furthermore, so few of you desire to be kept, mentored, or helped. You desire to be independent. It can't be both ways. Just as SD think they are interviewing possible SB, if you really want a SD what you need to do is to select an appropriate gentlemen and start giving it away to only him. If you have made a good selection, the rewards for making him your main squeeze will avail themselves to you. If you have selected improperly, then move to another candidate. It is sort of the opposite of what the gentlemen say they are doing. They are providing the material things and hope the lady will go behind closed doors and when they don't, she is gone!
What we need to keep in context especially for those that use a board like this is that in the end it is more like 'sex in trade for material things' for both the males and females. A rose by any name still smells as sweet. Therefore, if you are a SD and you are seeing only one and you are providing material things and she is providing BCD satisfaction as a SB or you are a provider, escort, companion or whatever you want to call yourself and he is giving gifts either in an envelope or a trip to wherever, the idea is still the same. It is love for material things.
As a man, I know what I want. I've never figured out what the ladies want as I am not that smart. So far, money to pay bills or court costs or flowers has worked just fine. Keep smiling?
On the other side are the providers who would love to have what is considered a more normal life. They don't want to have many clients. They don't want to keep operating a business and trolling for clients. It would be nice to have some gentlemen take care of some of the bills. The problem here is that once you have used sex as a weapon or as a commodity, it is virtually impossible not to weaponize what you have. Furthermore, so few of you desire to be kept, mentored, or helped. You desire to be independent. It can't be both ways. Just as SD think they are interviewing possible SB, if you really want a SD what you need to do is to select an appropriate gentlemen and start giving it away to only him. If you have made a good selection, the rewards for making him your main squeeze will avail themselves to you. If you have selected improperly, then move to another candidate. It is sort of the opposite of what the gentlemen say they are doing. They are providing the material things and hope the lady will go behind closed doors and when they don't, she is gone!
What we need to keep in context especially for those that use a board like this is that in the end it is more like 'sex in trade for material things' for both the males and females. A rose by any name still smells as sweet. Therefore, if you are a SD and you are seeing only one and you are providing material things and she is providing BCD satisfaction as a SB or you are a provider, escort, companion or whatever you want to call yourself and he is giving gifts either in an envelope or a trip to wherever, the idea is still the same. It is love for material things.
As a man, I know what I want. I've never figured out what the ladies want as I am not that smart. So far, money to pay bills or court costs or flowers has worked just fine. Keep smiling?
- Ninotsugi
- 08-26-2013, 09:32 PM
[QUOTE=austxjr;1053745372]Before you ladies here can really say this, you should think of the whole SD/SB vs. Provider realm more like being acting in movies (extras, character actors, movie stars) and less like a metaphor, some of you here who are somewhat imagination challenged might quickly get, such as shopping for handbags.
If the shopping for handbags metaphor applies (which I contend it doesn't), to making a transition from being a provider to an SB, as some here have expressed a desire to do, it would be more like moving from J.C. Penny's or Macy's to Barneys or Hermès. Of course, the handbags would have to pay you to take them (now isn't that a dream) and the more expensive ones would obviously pay you more, a lot more. Thus, it seems, many here (not those of you with imagination and vision) seem to think of transitioning from provider to SB as just trading up to nicer models and getting more cash to do it, but the process isn't the same. It just isn't.
Men and especially SDs, are not handbags (or combination handbags and ATMs). Especially not the guys who can afford to be SDs and have put the effort in to learning how and actually executing a plan. They are smart and have much much more to offer than cash and a hard dick. We men may on occasion be pond scum (but usually not SDs) but we aren't ATM handbags. This, it seems to me, is a metaphor many providers would understand when they think about having an SB/SD relationship, but it is a terribly flawed way to think about it.
Dear Austxjr:
I found your Dissertation of Handbags to be quite enlightened, however you are missing a significant point...some Woman actually believe Providing is a Career.
"A CAREER is composed of the Jobs Held, Titles Earned, and Work Accomplished over a Long Period of time, it does NOT refer to one Position."
Men and Providing are not by ANY definition a Career, until the realization of that rudimentary FACT is clear we are once again...'Putting Lipstick on a Pig'. One of the important aspects of SD/SB Relationships is him being able to present you in a Social Situation...Gentleman with the Means to procure a SB will need you to accompany them Publicly, will Providers just stand their Gape-Mouthed when asked what it is they DO for a Living?
Arigato,
Haruka-Chan
(228) 238-7110
If the shopping for handbags metaphor applies (which I contend it doesn't), to making a transition from being a provider to an SB, as some here have expressed a desire to do, it would be more like moving from J.C. Penny's or Macy's to Barneys or Hermès. Of course, the handbags would have to pay you to take them (now isn't that a dream) and the more expensive ones would obviously pay you more, a lot more. Thus, it seems, many here (not those of you with imagination and vision) seem to think of transitioning from provider to SB as just trading up to nicer models and getting more cash to do it, but the process isn't the same. It just isn't.
Men and especially SDs, are not handbags (or combination handbags and ATMs). Especially not the guys who can afford to be SDs and have put the effort in to learning how and actually executing a plan. They are smart and have much much more to offer than cash and a hard dick. We men may on occasion be pond scum (but usually not SDs) but we aren't ATM handbags. This, it seems to me, is a metaphor many providers would understand when they think about having an SB/SD relationship, but it is a terribly flawed way to think about it.
Dear Austxjr:
I found your Dissertation of Handbags to be quite enlightened, however you are missing a significant point...some Woman actually believe Providing is a Career.
"A CAREER is composed of the Jobs Held, Titles Earned, and Work Accomplished over a Long Period of time, it does NOT refer to one Position."
Men and Providing are not by ANY definition a Career, until the realization of that rudimentary FACT is clear we are once again...'Putting Lipstick on a Pig'. One of the important aspects of SD/SB Relationships is him being able to present you in a Social Situation...Gentleman with the Means to procure a SB will need you to accompany them Publicly, will Providers just stand their Gape-Mouthed when asked what it is they DO for a Living?
Arigato,
Haruka-Chan
(228) 238-7110
- heinz5710
- 08-27-2013, 05:59 AM
Providers don't stand there gape mouth when you ask what the do for a living. Providing is illegal and considered by the general population to be immoral. There is usually a better answer for them. They say they are models or tell people they have a source of income other than providing. SB don't tell people they are mistrisses or kept women but let us face it some are. They are also happy to be that way in most cases. Sometimes the ladies have another job. The SD just supplements their income.
- exoticdanceweardealer
- 08-28-2013, 12:25 AM
Sorry but I have seen this same convo happen for about 2 years now. A SB is a provider, maybe exclusive but much like most men's wives and girlfriends they make the same trade just in different ways. I think the SD crowd just wants to feel better about what they have, well news to you guys, chances are that your mom hot with your dad because she thought he could provide for her. It is human nature, this whole provider thing isn't so evil it was just society that decided it.
It is evolutionary psychology 101, women seek protectors and providers to take care of them and their offspring. Of course now the government does a lot of this, but the whole pro-provider thing we see in our circles is just the psychology being taken to a different approach.
It is evolutionary psychology 101, women seek protectors and providers to take care of them and their offspring. Of course now the government does a lot of this, but the whole pro-provider thing we see in our circles is just the psychology being taken to a different approach.
- Ninotsugi
- 08-28-2013, 05:00 PM
Sorry but I have seen this same convo happen for about 2 years now. A SB is a provider, maybe exclusive but much like most men's wives and girlfriends they make the same trade just in different ways. I think the SD crowd just wants to feel better about what they have, well news to you guys, chances are that your mom hot with your dad because she thought he could provide for her. It is human nature, this whole provider thing isn't so evil it was just society that decided it.Dear Exotic:
It is evolutionary psychology 101, women seek protectors and providers to take care of them and their offspring. Of course now the government does a lot of this, but the whole pro-provider thing we see in our circles is just the psychology being taken to a different approach. Originally Posted by exoticdanceweardealer
Your completely correct in referring to the Dichotomy of SD/SB Relationships as 'Evolutionary Psychology 101'...the inference to OUR Parents as prime examples is right on point as well, my Mother and Father will shortly be celebrating being together half a Century. That being said let us go forth and turn the corner...why in 2013 are we having a discussion of Man being a Woman's Provider, have we not reached the stage in EVOLUTION where it should be a Partnership by now. The SD/SB Relationship is an opportunity to improve ones currant 'Life Situation', the Industrious Females who DO this WILL Flourish...the ones who DO NOT will be Damned to force themselves into Public Humiliation by reinventing themselves time and time again in the same Game.
Arigato,
Haruka-Chan
(228) 238-7110
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- 2ticks
- 08-28-2013, 09:19 PM
I've been working through the general complications of the SD/SB relationship since I was first introduced to it here a year or so ago. Having spent a lot of my younger years visiting Costa Rica I had a deep appreciation for the concept. While it's now a pathetic influx of nasty-ass hookers (yes I mean to use that word) from all over the world, CR was a lot different 20 years ago. Most of you probably know that prostitution is legal there - the only thing illegal is minor-related or pimping activities.
Anyway 20 years ago there was very little frowning on the profession by the locals - it was really only foreigners who were appalled at the openness of the situation. There was also a lot less cartel activity there. In short, most of the women I met were looking more for the SD relationship than the BNG client. It's totally different now - but keep in mind - that is the mentality I was accustomed to for many years. We (friends and I) met women, went to dinner, wondered around town, had a really damn good time and more often than not wound up in the sack. Very rarely was a transaction mentioned, a price negotiated, expectations set or anything we would consider normal in the provider/hobbyist world here. They were pampered. We were pampered. Money changed hands but in a less transactional manner - usually as a parting gift - sometimes having to insist she take it.
Needless to say that long-term career of falling in love for a few days/weeks completely fucked me up for the hobby world here - and not just financially. I always want to book time - lots of it - because I want the experience more than the sex. I'm a very shy guy until I have some dialog to work from. Then I open up and most (not all) excursions end up being far more valuable than the 2-3 hour rate I usually insist on for a first date. So what's the issue? She gets time - I get time. No problem right?
Well we all know that reviews are only as valuable as the reviewer. When you have the attitude I do about the hobby - what I know or think I know about the guy writing the review can make a break a visit. I live in TX. If I read a review on Trip Adviser about a place in the Caribbean and it's submitted by a couple from New York, Boston or anywhere on the East Coast - I immediately discount it as being valuable to me. Profiling? Damn right I am. The odds of me and a crazy fucking woman from NYC feeling the same way about a vacation spot are just like putting the long shot in a trifecta bet. Could I be wrong? Sure. But like the hobby, I've been proved right too many times to count. When it's sour, I'm too nice to say so - and she's usually so disinterested that she can't tell or care. So I spend a LOT of time looking before buying (renting) these days. I like the GFE (and the PSE) but I mean more than just what we've reduce the acronym to. In my mind it's still 20 years ago in CR. I want to have a damn good time, act like we are madly in love and inhale every single moment. That's a serious stretch to find in this world anymore - much less in San Antonio.
Geez. Sorry for the long ass post. I just realized I'm not on a shrink's couch and better get to the point. Wine makes me type.
So I read a thousand or so posts here about SD/SB situations and told myself this was the answer to my provider woes. One way or another I was going to be a SD. It just made sense.... I spent months trying to figure it out. It seemed so easy in theory - but in practice, a generally shy guy has little hope of pulling this off. I had a few encounters that seemed promising but failed to develop into anything good for both sides. Then after about 6 months I found myself asking one of my ATFs directly about SD/SB relationships. She new my style and shyness - all the things that are extremely hard to get past without the opportunity provided by time together. While she was not into it (HDH by all standards) because of her extremely well developed business - she wanted to introduce me to someone who she felt would be perfect for me...
She was perfect in about 99% of all possible considerations. It was a wonderful affair. She was not a provider but knew the hobby through her friend - so the idea that she was some naive shop girl in need of mentoring through life or a provider playing both sides would be equally poor descriptions. She was a young professional with very little time to meet people outside of work. Didn't absolutely need money but loved being the object of my affection and I was generous in ways that fit her wants and needs at the time.
I'd love to tell you the story ended well but truthfully it was a crash and burn. What started as a secret and sensual affair ended in typical lunacy. She became far too needy far too fast. It was impossible to keep up with her and maintain privacy from my SO and family. Boundaries were broken and things fell to shit. It's been a few weeks now and I think we are clear of major catastrophes. I'm not sure if I can go through all that crap again with another SB - or if I could even find one without trolling in places likely to end up with another lunatic. Funny but I'll probably try to anyway. It's just that good when things are great.
So the moral of my asinine post... A great provider knows you well. Don't discount her as a potential SB or as a path to finding the right fit. My issues were more self-driven in that I'm a dirty-rotten bastard that requires more than just a great SO.
Best to all of you... Provider, hobbyist, aspiring SB or SD, whatever. Don't fight over semantics. Picking apart the words of others to make a point is pointless. We are still all in this together. Hopefully in and out and in and out and in and out and so on.
Your faithful wannabe SD,
2ticks
Anyway 20 years ago there was very little frowning on the profession by the locals - it was really only foreigners who were appalled at the openness of the situation. There was also a lot less cartel activity there. In short, most of the women I met were looking more for the SD relationship than the BNG client. It's totally different now - but keep in mind - that is the mentality I was accustomed to for many years. We (friends and I) met women, went to dinner, wondered around town, had a really damn good time and more often than not wound up in the sack. Very rarely was a transaction mentioned, a price negotiated, expectations set or anything we would consider normal in the provider/hobbyist world here. They were pampered. We were pampered. Money changed hands but in a less transactional manner - usually as a parting gift - sometimes having to insist she take it.
Needless to say that long-term career of falling in love for a few days/weeks completely fucked me up for the hobby world here - and not just financially. I always want to book time - lots of it - because I want the experience more than the sex. I'm a very shy guy until I have some dialog to work from. Then I open up and most (not all) excursions end up being far more valuable than the 2-3 hour rate I usually insist on for a first date. So what's the issue? She gets time - I get time. No problem right?
Well we all know that reviews are only as valuable as the reviewer. When you have the attitude I do about the hobby - what I know or think I know about the guy writing the review can make a break a visit. I live in TX. If I read a review on Trip Adviser about a place in the Caribbean and it's submitted by a couple from New York, Boston or anywhere on the East Coast - I immediately discount it as being valuable to me. Profiling? Damn right I am. The odds of me and a crazy fucking woman from NYC feeling the same way about a vacation spot are just like putting the long shot in a trifecta bet. Could I be wrong? Sure. But like the hobby, I've been proved right too many times to count. When it's sour, I'm too nice to say so - and she's usually so disinterested that she can't tell or care. So I spend a LOT of time looking before buying (renting) these days. I like the GFE (and the PSE) but I mean more than just what we've reduce the acronym to. In my mind it's still 20 years ago in CR. I want to have a damn good time, act like we are madly in love and inhale every single moment. That's a serious stretch to find in this world anymore - much less in San Antonio.
Geez. Sorry for the long ass post. I just realized I'm not on a shrink's couch and better get to the point. Wine makes me type.
So I read a thousand or so posts here about SD/SB situations and told myself this was the answer to my provider woes. One way or another I was going to be a SD. It just made sense.... I spent months trying to figure it out. It seemed so easy in theory - but in practice, a generally shy guy has little hope of pulling this off. I had a few encounters that seemed promising but failed to develop into anything good for both sides. Then after about 6 months I found myself asking one of my ATFs directly about SD/SB relationships. She new my style and shyness - all the things that are extremely hard to get past without the opportunity provided by time together. While she was not into it (HDH by all standards) because of her extremely well developed business - she wanted to introduce me to someone who she felt would be perfect for me...
She was perfect in about 99% of all possible considerations. It was a wonderful affair. She was not a provider but knew the hobby through her friend - so the idea that she was some naive shop girl in need of mentoring through life or a provider playing both sides would be equally poor descriptions. She was a young professional with very little time to meet people outside of work. Didn't absolutely need money but loved being the object of my affection and I was generous in ways that fit her wants and needs at the time.
I'd love to tell you the story ended well but truthfully it was a crash and burn. What started as a secret and sensual affair ended in typical lunacy. She became far too needy far too fast. It was impossible to keep up with her and maintain privacy from my SO and family. Boundaries were broken and things fell to shit. It's been a few weeks now and I think we are clear of major catastrophes. I'm not sure if I can go through all that crap again with another SB - or if I could even find one without trolling in places likely to end up with another lunatic. Funny but I'll probably try to anyway. It's just that good when things are great.
So the moral of my asinine post... A great provider knows you well. Don't discount her as a potential SB or as a path to finding the right fit. My issues were more self-driven in that I'm a dirty-rotten bastard that requires more than just a great SO.
Best to all of you... Provider, hobbyist, aspiring SB or SD, whatever. Don't fight over semantics. Picking apart the words of others to make a point is pointless. We are still all in this together. Hopefully in and out and in and out and in and out and so on.
Your faithful wannabe SD,
2ticks
- oktome
- 08-28-2013, 11:04 PM
2ticks that was one hell of a post. It really resonated with me. although not shy your experiences and thoughts were similar to my visits years ago to places like the Philippines. I have not ventured into a Sd/sb for fear of what you described but the established provider is too expensive. Thus I continue my search with the focus of honoring my obligations yet imagining a connection with NSA that was great for both of us. Again great post
- 2ticks
- 08-29-2013, 09:29 PM
Just happy all that garble ended up making sense to someone. I love providers. I love SBs. I'm just an old romantic that wants a little more out of the time we spend together - but still the capacity to maintain healthy boundaries. That's what keeps me on the fence. Again, dirty-rotten-bastard. Accepted. But it's just so much fun to fall in love over and over again,
2ticks
2ticks
- exoticdanceweardealer
- 08-29-2013, 10:52 PM
Dear Exotic:
Your completely correct in referring to the Dichotomy of SD/SB Relationships as 'Evolutionary Psychology 101'...the inference to OUR Parents as prime examples is right on point as well, my Mother and Father will shortly be celebrating being together half a Century. That being said let us go forth and turn the corner...why in 2013 are we having a discussion of Man being a Woman's Provider, have we not reached the stage in EVOLUTION where it should be a Partnership by now. The SD/SB Relationship is an opportunity to improve ones currant 'Life Situation', the Industrious Females who DO this WILL Flourish...the ones who DO NOT will be Damned to force themselves into Public Humiliation by reinventing themselves time and time again in the same Game.
Arigato,
Haruka-Chan
(228) 238-7110 Originally Posted by Ninotsugi
What beautiful styling you have!
Evolutionary psychology of course refers to the inner voices we have, the drive that makes us do what we do from an instinctual basis. The reason we haven't changed with the rise of feminism or simply in a postmodern era is because we haven't had a million years to genetically change as a species. Our millions of years of evolution did not lead us to this point only to suddenly change when we invented modern society and amenities. The instinctual need females of our species have to be protected and provided for is hard wired and few enough realize or acknowledge evolution exists never the less are willing to admit there is a tiny voice called instinct telling them what to do each day.
Would you as a provider be as busy if men didn't have a biological imperative to emulate reproduction for the sake of thinking subconsciously that they would be successful in producing offspring to further their genetic lineage? I doubt it. Since the dawn of the human race we have had a need to make a trade, men are granted the ability to reproduce in exchange for them guarding the family and taking care of its needs, without this we would not have been able to survive which is why it is the common theme of every civilization which survived until modern times.
A sugar baby is just a female being a female and a sugar daddy is but a man being a man. There are different methods in which we choose to embrace our hard wiring but in the end it is what gives us fulfillment until the day we genetically remove those core urges and replace them with other core urges.
I would argue that it was always a partnership, a symbiosis, a unity that produced a sense of harmony for two people.
- Tony Gambino
- 08-29-2013, 11:39 PM
I may be in love with you ! Me .,old guy..., money,,, you know the deal,,,.bustyamy get in touch with me
- drtyrodguy71
- 08-30-2013, 12:00 AM
I need her info 2ticks.......PM me!