So, you still think Covid came from Bats?

You look at the names brought up in this thread who believe COVID is almost certainly the result of gain of function research and none of them are people who've worked with viruses every day. Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist who's afraid of vaccines. Richard Muller is a physicist. Nicholas Wade is a science writer.

And Steven Quay, the pathologist and breast cancer expert, well, what do you say about someone who announces his self-published papers with PR Newswires. PR Newswire is what NASDAQ companies use to promote their stock, and apparently Quay, who runs a NASDAQ company, has figured out that's a good way to promote himself too.

I took about a 5 minute look at his 193 page master piece, here, where using "Bayesian interference" he concludes there's a 99.8% probability the virus was created in a laboratory:

https://zenodo.org/record/4477212#.YONPouj0lPY

Now apparently back in January when he published this paper the first time (there have been two updates) he wasn't nearly as confident that this was created in the Wuhan lab as he is now, because he's said at least twice on cable news recently that there's a 999,999,999 out of 1,000,000,000 probability this is from gain of function research.

The Bayesian interference Quay's using to come up with this precise number looks like typical "bull shit in, bull shit out" statistical analysis. And in fact on a Zoom call Quay had with virologists and the like, he admitted this was the first time he'd used Bayesian analysis. Here's a critique of Quay and Muller's Wall Street Journal Op Ed and Quay's paper,

https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021...piracy-theory/

The people who really know viruses, like virologists, molecular biologists, molecular epidemiologists who are engaged in virus research, mostly don't believe the virus was the result of gain of function research or they're fence sitters. Even David Baltimore is a fence sitter. He's by far the most eminent person who's actually an expert cited as a believer in laboratory origin mentioned in Nicholas Wades' article that was linked by LustyLad and Why_Yes_I_Do:

https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...ab-leak-theory

Maybe this came from gain of function research. Maybe it went directly from bats to humans. If we abandon either of these hypotheses and either choose to do nothing about the labs or nothing about human exposure to bats and bat guano, we run the risk of fucking up big time. Originally Posted by Tiny

I think Tiny farted it out!!!!

Covid-19 mother f****** coronavirus is fake.

Yes, Weinstein is a PhD in Evolutionary Biology and is eminently qualified to comment about the evolution of the virus.
The idea that he is afraid of vaccines is an attempt to discredit him by insinuating that he's anti-vaccine. This is a lie and I challenge you to cite anything to back up your claim. My bet is that you'll do no such thing. Originally Posted by Ducbutter

In his own words,

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/st...071553/photo/1

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2O01XP

I think Tiny farted it out!!!! Originally Posted by bambino

I started this pandemic and no one believes me. It was from the freakin bats up my ass. Shat it out would be a better description.

I started this pandemic and no one believes me. It was from the freakin bats up my ass. Shat it out would be a better description. Originally Posted by Tiny

Sounds like you're Bat Shit Crazy, lol.

In his own words,

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/st...071553/photo/1

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2O01XP Originally Posted by Tiny

Where did he say that he's anti-vaccine?
He didn't. Nor did the guests.
Weinstein is not an anti-vaxer and you haven't shown that he is. Because you can't.

Sounds like you're Bat Shit Crazy, lol. Originally Posted by Levianon17

urm. he's not batty enough.

Covid-19 is fake

Covid-19 is fake Originally Posted by Ripmany

Hey, Rip.

What tf are you talking about?

Asking for a friend.

Thank you.

Covid-19 is fake, it was made up dockers poison people with poison ivy, for Walmart and government control. Social distancing not long line durring 9-5 . Ever covid-19 symptoms can fake with poison. I have inside information. Also don't tell any one or will be poison next. The put poison ivy oil on the pipe cleaner put up you nose it make you loose smell a hour after a positive test.

Wuhan whitewash by the WHO ,,,( wall street Journal ) not a right wing rag

Where did he say that he's anti-vaccine?
He didn't. Nor did the guests.
Weinstein is not an anti-vaxer and you haven't shown that he is. Because you can't. Originally Posted by Ducbutter

I never said he's afraid of all vaccines or an antivaxxer. You made that up. He does appear to be scared shitless of spike-based COVID vaccines. Just take a look at his tweetstorm on June 25. He wrote "For months I've asked - everyone I talk too if they're vaccinated & what their experience was. Nearly all had scary symptoms, some terrifying." Now that just sounds nutty. He goes on to say, about the vaccine spike-protein, which he says is produced by all current vaccines, "So if it's safe, that will have been a very lucky accident." He believes the spike-protein "not only crosses the blood-brain barrier, but tatters it, opening the central nervous system to toxins and pathogens." This he says induces severe headaches, brain fog, and potentially impaired cognition, clotting and vascular damage to the brain, and strokes. I'm not an immunologist, but applied to the population at large this sounds like bull shit.

He may be right or he may be wrong about gain of function research and Ivermectin, I don't know. But he sure sounds over the top on vaccine risk. I'll take the word of mainstream medicine and the CDC. Mainstream MEDICINE, not the mainstream media. There's a difference.

What does the "vaccine" have to do with the origin of Covid19?

When Tiny et al fail on one topic they shift to another.

Bitten does that .... when he doesn't know shit about hacking he switches to cherry pie!

When Tiny et al fail on one topic they shift to another. Originally Posted by LexusLover

When LexusLover et al don't read the thread before posting they occasionally write irrelevant comments.

The topic never really shifted as we're arguing about an evolutionary biologist who has strong beliefs about both the origin of COVID and the safety of COVID vaccines. However, if you want to incorrectly blame someone for shifting the topic look to Ducbutter.

When LexusLover et al don't read the thread before posting they occasionally write irrelevant comments.
Originally Posted by Tiny

Do you have any original thoughts? I didn't think so.

Your insistence on modifying what others print casts doubt on your postings of what others have printed as sources to support your shallow musings. The CommunistSocialistLiberalNazis have developed habits of doing that kind of shit. So your opinions are unworthy of consideration.