Going on my Christmas reading list

Is there anything the current administration does that is not a conspiracy or a cover up? Originally Posted by fetishfreak

Who told you to say that?

Do you really think the government is honest with us? Do you really think that any of them have our best interests at heart? I'd like to believe that, but there is too much evidence to the contrary. Government lies, and does the bidding of its owners, which are not us. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The only parts of government in which I have any experience are in the much worshiped areas of "national security," and "defense," and "the law."

And everything I saw was that everyone cared only about their own careers, their image and reputation, keeping their bureaus funded with more money, just like the corrupt private corporations I was unlucky enough to have to work for from time to time.

The problem with the US national security establishment is that it's too freaking big and there's too much money and people's careers involved to expect anything but dishonesty. They will take any position if it leads to more money and a better career.

In particular MY GENERATION of "national security civilians" and military officers are particularly feckless given that we were the ones with all the ability to learn from the mistakes of past generations.

When I was in school, graduate school, all we did was study what went wrong in Vietnam, why this or that case study should inform us of this or that lesson....

With all that to inform us my generation got it wrong more than any other generation which preceded us.

And on an individual level the people in those places don't give a shit about the consequences to anyone of what they do.

Do you really think the government is honest with us? Do you really think that any of them have our best interests at heart? I'd like to believe that, but there is too much evidence to the contrary. Government lies, and does the bidding of its owners, which are not us. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

No I do not trust what the government says. I am not arguing that we should trust them. I am just saying that by finding fault in every little statement made and seeing conspiracies at every turn makes any valid argument you have less likely to be heard.

I know that you are "just here to have fun" but I am on here to spread the ideas of liberty and peace, not spin up liberals or conservatives.

You have to understand your enemy, FF, and be able to see behind the scenes. What is played out for us in the media is all show.

And if you're not here for fun, you're here for the wrong reason. Ijs.

I am on this site for fun. I am on this board to spread the ideas of liberty.

Good! I can go along with that 100%

But for those that get pissed off, I mean, seriously. You come on here voluntarily and anonymously. If this place pisses you off, do something else. There are plenty of real world events and people you can't avoid who are going to piss you off. Why volunteer for it here? Ok, maybe you need to vent. Fine. Just don't take our responses seriously. Sometimes we'll make a point that makes you think, which is good. Other times we make you laugh. That is also good. But if we piss you off, do yourself a favor. Find another place to play. Life's too short to voluntarily submit yourself to being aggravated.

New questions;

Why wasn't the Congress informed of a FBI investigation involving national security in accordance with the law?

Why did Patreaus testify that the video was the cause when we now know that it had nothing to do with it and that was known from day 1?

What did Patreaus discover when he did his own personal investigation at Benghazi?

Was he under pressure to say one thing over another?

The FBI man was trying to get laid.
the general was getting laid.
congress was reeling from the election polls and trying to spin it for their party.
the CIA won't share info...

Isn't everyone just trying to get laid?