Donations when to pay?

Guess clarification is more in order. I don't have an issue with the envelope and them checking the money even.

I have more an issue with them right off the bat sticking it in their purse when they have yet to earn it yet. I don't tend to have that issue with women I know already.
But as I also said I see their point to thought I made that pretty clear. Or do people just selectively read on here what parts they want to maybe its my fault for being so long winded haha

It varies with who I am with, and at this point I have been comfortable with whichever way the gentlman prefers.
In most cases, it is laying out in plain sight when I arrive, either in an envelope or not. It has come out of their wallet after the session...pulled out from under their laptop in the envelope after...
Once, with a newbie, he attempted to pay me out of his wallet before the session. I declined it, suggesting he should place the money on the stand and I will collect it afterwards. I knew he didn't know better.
The last session I had, afterwards and I was cleaning up, the gentlman placed the envelope next to my purse...then after I returned to my personal effects, he slipped off to the bathroom for his own clean up. I fully understood that he did his homework and was purposely giving me time to count the money. I had never counted it in seesion before, so I just slipped it into my purse. Returning from the bathroom, he asked if the donation was satisfactory. I smiled, and told him I only count out of session.
After leaving, I count it...he had given me a generous tip. I felt a bit guilty for I assumed he wanted a nice thank you for it. I promptly send him a text thanking him.

SAgain, my feelings on tastelessness and tackiness inhibited me from counting it in front of the client. HOWEVER, with this current policy, clients have shorted me 20-120 dollars (it happens every couple of weeks). I don't know if it is because they don't agree with my fee or have pre-decided that I am "just not worth it". Originally Posted by brittanylennox

I have seen that sometimes providers will run short specials, and/or change their rates, but not update all their information. So when I do my research to prepare the donation, their latest ad, their website, and their P411 page all have differing rates (200 vs 220 vs 250, etc). I don't want to discuss the exchange of money ahead of time, and I fear if a pick the wrong rate it might mean that I would come up a little short.

So far, it has never turned out to be an issue, and I'm not saying that's what's happened in this case, but if ever I was in that situation I personally would like to be notified that the envelope was a little light.

Having been the recipient of a Cash & Dash, I feel it necessary to only produce the $$ when the provider has removed her clothes.

I've never had a problem with asking a provider to remove her clothes before the payment is produced. All seem willing to this arrangement before reviewing the donation.

But, then I've also done my homework since the C&D.

I can't believe this thread is this long.

Folks, this is Hobby 101. It is a matter of etiquette and manners.

You discreetly place a white envelope--with the donation that you have triple-counted--on a piece of furniture in clear view. Don't look at it again. She will decide when to pick it up.

If you are worried about being cash-n-dashed, burned, getting a crazy chick, or sub-par service, I have one sentence for you that you should burn into your brain:

RESEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND.

Just read another ad. "Donations must be provided up front with no discussion" Then goes on to say that the donations are for time.

Ok, I say if its for time I don't mind showing I have the money. But, payment is upon the completion of time. Originally Posted by grtrader

LMAO. I don't think any hobbyist would shell out a couple of benjamins "just for time".....

Ladies have an absolute right to have their preferences and I especially appreciate it when the ladies express those preferences in their ads or websites.

With respect to arrival and donations, here is a recommendation that has served many hobbyist and providers well, especially when making new friends.

A gentleman arrives at the incall on time and knocks lightly. (He has followed the lady's instructions to call from the parking lot, etc.) The lady is expecting the gent and will usually open the door right away, standing behind the door, out of the sight of others. (She is protecting you and herself by being discreet).

The gent will walk right in, allow the lady to close and lock her door. (She is protecting you and her own security).

At that point, the lady and gent will embrace.... gotta love that... this is another means of the lady putting you at ease and allows you to put her at ease. (She is putting you and herself at ease with what may be otherwise an awkward meeting).

Upon completion of the embrace (and or kissing), the gent will place his envelope (unsealed) in an obvious place and ask if he can use the restroom. NOTHING WILL BE SAID ABOUT THE ENVELOPE OR ITS CONTENTS..... (This is for your mutual protection with repsect to breaking any law regarding pay for play).

If you have any worries or concerns about being there... this is your time to speak up (or hers).

While you are in the restroom, the lady has the opportunity to discretely check on the envelope.... some will open it and count it, some will put it away, some will leave it alone.... any of the above is none of my concern. However, the lady now knows that you are legit and can put her concerns about the donation aside, and concentrate on having fun.

When you exit the restroom, the fun begins!

If you end up staying longer than expected or have a wonderful time... a tip is always a good idea.

In my experience, I never made a lady ask for the donation and I never had a lady count the money in front of me. Most of my friends never even touched the envelope until after I left.

If you are worried about a cash and dash, I would suggest taking a less risky route and research the ladies here... for that is one of the wonderful things about ECCIE membership, is the wealth of info for both the provider and hobbyist.

IMO, the best hobby experience is one in which both parties have done their homework and treat one another with mutual trust and respect.

A ladies' security and livelihood are two things she should never have to worry about when meeting with an ECCIE hobbyist.

Hobby safe!

Respectfully,

OldSarge

I can't believe this thread is this long.

Folks, this is Hobby 101. It is a matter of etiquette and manners.

You discreetly place a white envelope--with the donation that you have triple-counted--on a piece of furniture in clear view. Don't look at it again. She will decide when to pick it up.

If you are worried about being cash-n-dashed, burned, getting a crazy chick, or sub-par service, I have one sentence for you that you should burn into your brain:

RESEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND.

Originally Posted by ANONONE

If that was the only rule we followed we would only play with established providers and there would be little need for reviews or sites like this one!!!

LMAO. I don't think any hobbyist would shell out a couple of benjamins "just for time".....

Ladies have an absolute right to have their preferences and I especially appreciate it when the ladies express those preferences in their ads or websites.

With respect to arrival and donations, here is a recommendation that has served many hobbyist and providers well, especially when making new friends.

A gentleman arrives at the incall on time and knocks lightly. (He has followed the lady's instructions to call from the parking lot, etc.) The lady is expecting the gent and will usually open the door right away, standing behind the door, out of the sight of others. (She is protecting you and herself by being discreet).

The gent will walk right in, allow the lady to close and lock her door. (She is protecting you and her own security).

At that point, the lady and gent will embrace.... gotta love that... this is another means of the lady putting you at ease and allows you to put her at ease. (She is putting you and herself at ease with what may be otherwise an awkward meeting).

Upon completion of the embrace (and or kissing), the gent will place his envelope (unsealed) in an obvious place and ask if he can use the restroom. NOTHING WILL BE SAID ABOUT THE ENVELOPE OR ITS CONTENTS..... (This is for your mutual protection with repsect to breaking any law regarding pay for play).

If you have any worries or concerns about being there... this is your time to speak up (or hers).

While you are in the restroom, the lady has the opportunity to discretely check on the envelope.... some will open it and count it, some will put it away, some will leave it alone.... any of the above is none of my concern. However, the lady now knows that you are legit and can put her concerns about the donation aside, and concentrate on having fun.

When you exit the restroom, the fun begins!

If you end up staying longer than expected or have a wonderful time... a tip is always a good idea.

In my experience, I never made a lady ask for the donation and I never had a lady count the money in front of me. Most of my friends never even touched the envelope until after I left.

If you are worried about a cash and dash, I would suggest taking a less risky route and research the ladies here... for that is one of the wonderful things about ECCIE membership, is the wealth of info for both the provider and hobbyist.

IMO, the best hobby experience is one in which both parties have done their homework and treat one another with mutual trust and respect.

A ladies' security and livelihood are two things she should never have to worry about when meeting with an ECCIE hobbyist.

Hobby safe!

Respectfully,

OldSarge Originally Posted by OldSarge

Great you know about incalls want to tell us about out calls were usually "cash & dash" or "grab and dash" actually happen. Frankly what you just described is why I don't do incalls because at no point did you describe her cleaning up between the two of you.

The only way that doesn't hold true she shower with him in there. Which means either he is on her time or she cleaned up on his or they showered close together in time. From the way the majority of these women talk on here you cleaning up before you got doesn't seem to be a priority or concern. Correct me if I am wrong.

Guessing from your first line you have taken many out to say a black tie affair or ball.. or opera or Corporate business meet / retreats. ... Or how about just grabbing jet on the spur of the moment and heading off to Italy check out Venices glass factories or go skiing in Garmich Germany? Benjamins are jump change compared to what gets shelled out in the certain crowds.

You don't bring a girl with a high school education to a retreat to impress the corporate chain or to help you get info on what the current play is or to seal business deals. Talking when actual refinement and multi degrees along with usually 3+ languages. I could go through a list of reason why very high end escorts can ask 25,000 a night and more for their time. But unless you actually been in the spot to need or use one it probably won't make a lot of sense from the out side.

As far as guys over staying their time at an in call. Ladies feel free to do whatever you feel is need to get him to leave. He is on your dime then. He knows it is your property your place of business or even your home. He is dam right rude if they over stay themselves unless you expressly ask him to stay.

I am suprised to find people having this much ito say about a basic topic. I agree this is "Hobbying 101". White envelope, obvious location. I do know that we find ourselves getting a little cynical once a less than pleasant experience presents itself. I would guess that the gentlemen I see know by our correspondence that I will not be a clock watcher and I will earn every dime they have spent. I am a little put off by the "multiple pop" thing. I consider that to be up to the gentleman. I am being compensated for my time, I will stay for the amount of time requested. Like in all situations, if a gentleman brings me a gift, gives me a tip, or treats me in an incredibly special way, it is greatly appreciated. "Hobbying 101" never changes; even with those gentleman I see on a regular basis. The difference being, they are more comfortable and more anxious, knowing what an incredibly sensual and passionate experience they are about to have.

I am suprised to find people having this much ito say about a basic topic. I agree this is "Hobbying 101". White envelope, obvious location. I do know that we find ourselves getting a little cynical once a less than pleasant experience presents itself. I would guess that the gentlemen I see know by our correspondence that I will not be a clock watcher and I will earn every dime they have spent. I am a little put off by the "multiple pop" thing. I consider that to be up to the gentleman. I am being compensated for my time, I will stay for the amount of time requested. Like in all situations, if a gentleman brings me a gift, gives me a tip, or treats me in an incredibly special way, it is greatly appreciated. "Hobbying 101" never changes; even with those gentleman I see on a regular basis. The difference being they are more comfortable and more anxious, knowing what an incredibly sensual and passionate experience they are about to have.

If that was the only rule we followed we would only play with established providers and there would be little need for reviews or sites like this one!!! Originally Posted by grtrader

GR,

That is one of the top five rules of the hobby. If you see a new provider, it is UNDERSTOOD by the serious hobbyist that TOFTT is an expected risk. That is what makes this sport so enjoyable.

If you are uncomfortable with that, perhaps you should take up bowling instead.

As to the comment about this site, your logic is backwards. This site makes it possible to hobby worry-free, for those that take the time to do the research.

Maybe this is a regional thing, but CL and BP, which you admit to being one of your primary sources for fun, is considered about as safe as prowling for street walkers down under the bridge or lot lizards at a truck stop.

That could just be a Midwest thing, so I won't impose that perception on everyone. Those two places may just be fine in other parts of the country.

GR, the point is, there are so many incredible women to choose from on ECCIE that have plenty of reviews or are otherwise accessible to discrete vetting, that your concerns just really don't seem valid.

Get past it, and be a gentleman with your white envelope. I promise once you learn some of these basic rules you will have so much fun, you will look back on some of your posts and laugh.

BTW: Lecturing Sarge on the hobby is kind of silly. He has probably forgotten more about how to do this than you are probably willing to learn.

Let me see if I understand this correctly, if you are in the hobby, and see new, undocumented providers you can expect to be ripped off on occasion. It is just part of the game.

If you cannot stand the risk, the only see well documented ladies or leave the hobby.

If you believe payment should be after, the tell the lady when making the appoinment and give her a chance to decline.

The lady is doing a bit more than providing a service, she is giving a part of herself. Be respectful of this.

why ask for advice if you're just gonna argue everyone's point? some good advice was given here (especially by sarge) and you type 5 paragraphs breaking down how he is wrong.

what is your real motive for posting?

I can't believe this thread is this long.

Folks, this is Hobby 101. It is a matter of etiquette and manners.

You discreetly place a white envelope--with the donation that you have triple-counted--on a piece of furniture in clear view. Don't look at it again. She will decide when to pick it up.

If you are worried about being cash-n-dashed, burned, getting a crazy chick, or sub-par service, I have one sentence for you that you should burn into your brain:

RESEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND.



Originally Posted by ANONONE

I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is either, but one note.

Despite ANON's very confident declaration to the contrary, there really is no one right way to "pass the envelope" (although he one the proposes is likely to work and cause little confusion). As even some of the provider posts here have indicated they have different expectations themselves.

One other note to providers, don't expect us to have read every word you've ever written on the internet & similarly expect us to know what your precise instructions for payment ettiquitte are. If we make an honest, discreet effort at making the donation shortly after meeting, that should suffice. Don't freak out if there is/isn't and envelope, what the envelope looks like, what is written or not written or the envelope, or where the donation is placed.

Sarge, Hound and Sausage all hit it right on the head. Cash up front is a recognized standard. Cash n dash isn't a realistic concern for verified providers. Especially from an agency. When did you ever see a cash n dash report for a provider registered on ASPD or ECCIE? Our girls get paid first, and they count it. No offense, just S.O.P.

If the girl in the pic is the girl who shows up and if if you get the time and activities you expect, then you got your money's worth. If she likes you, you'll always get more.

How romantic, wild or enthusiastic a provider gets is up to you too, ya know. A little class, consideration and skill can really inspire a girl to go the extra mile. A couple of hundy's don't make you handsome or studly. It takes a little more than that. I can personally guarantee that every WF girl has a high degree of affection, enthusiasm and skill. But just like most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it.