He threatened to dismember her? Holy jesus. I'm not at all inclined to think that was a fake threat either given what he did to both your friend and the women he killed perviously. It says in the article that he was released for the murder in 2008 and you said he served 9 years....and the article says that he made a beeline for his next target which ended up being your friend. How the hell do fucked up people like that end up getting out? I mean seriously, there must surely have been some signs that he he was not remotely rehabilitated? It will be interesting to see what the parole and probation reports say because that MUST be early release? Btw, in Germany, how long is a life sentence? There is a massive difference between "life" in the US and in the UK. Not sure how it is in Germany. Whilst it won't change what happened to your friend she might be able to file suit for wrongful release...or whatever it is called.
From what the article says, what you've said and his background, I don't think your GF being an escort had anything to do with his actions. He may have opted to meet an escort initially because it's less troublesome explaining why you don't have a job (I asusme he didn't with his recent record?) or where the hell you have been for the last several years....but this guy would have done this anyway. The article mal
kes clear it was premeditated and a plan he put into action very shortly after his release and by no means a reaction to anything she did. As reporting goes, they've been pretty decent about downplaying her escort life and heaving the focus onto EXACTLY what it should be.. HIM!!! Bastard. Edited to add* Thinking about it, if he could fool parole into thinking he's rehabiliated, it's not a stretch at all to see that he could fool someone into a relationship. I don't see that as a reflection of your GF's choices at all...but the parole folks are supposed to be SPECIFICALLY qualified for assessing shit like him...so they need to provide some bloody answers.
Please keep us updated Nina on how this progresses...and particularly what comes out about his pre-release assessments. I'm very curious about how that will play out and what is said....
Camille xx
Originally Posted by Camille
The first case was titled as "manslaugher" and not murder, why is a mystery to me, because the killing was premeditated. His first victim was torn between him and her husband and then chose to stay with her husband. He then waited for her to come to her appartement and shot her from behind in cold blood. Then he walked away.
The son of the first victim found his dying mother in front of the appartement door.
For murder - if the premeditation would have been prooved - he would have gotten life-sentence , which is 15 years in Germany and Austria.
Usually they do life-sentence and for extremely severe cases then somethig called "security detention" afterwards.
The first court decision was based on the fact that it was "manslaughter" based on emotional predeterminants. A murder is something planned in cold blood. That is why he got a way with a 9 year sentence (and he went free on parole after 6 years).
He held a job. He was german and a good burgeoise adapted man. I don`t know how he did it, i think he forged paperwork (he was in prison for years i am sure he had some contacts) but he held a good earning job in switzerland as a bookkeeper and lived there til he found my friend.
When the stuff happened with my friend, she was in a coma and could not remember many things afterwards. When she fell he did not call the ambulance or the police which weights heavily against him. Passers by called the police. He tried to downplay everything like a suicide. But sicne he had a history of harrassing her and even abused her one time (he hit her in the face) which actually led to her leaving him.
The whole action was premeditated, she resembled the ex gf and interestingly, my friend told me later, that during the time he tortured her he confessed to her that he has humiliated many other women, and beaten them. But none of them came forward due to the trial.
I think he is something like a serial abuser of women and when they leave him he threatens to kill them. I wonder to how many other women that has happened. I refuse to believe that they were the only two women he ever went berserk about. I wonder why they did not have him evaluated psychologically.
Rumours say he never stomached the turning point from "DDR to the republic of germany" he was well of in eastern german communism, but the pressure of capitalism broke him. He used to live a high roler lifestyle but not being able to really afford it. Full into depth, but hiring escorts. I never understand that. The gap between his delusional self and the reality was simply too much to endure. I think he needed the power and the control over something or someone elses life, because his life was out of control.
But that is only one aspect of many other aspects.
The trial is over now, i don`t know yet if there is another trial or if they come to a decision now.
But i think its important for every woman to know that IF a guy abuses her in any way that it is necessary to report that. I am seriously surprised how many women get a bused and beaten and do not report that. The more details they have on such guys the more easy it gets to detain them.
Originally Posted by WTF
:-) bad tongues could speak of a very bad relationship choice there... :-)
