THE TEXAS GROWTH MACHINE...

ACTUALLY, THAT IS A TEXAS GROWTH MACHINE. LOOKING AT HER MAKES ME GROW...

She's probably a real Texan, not one of those Vegas showgirls who pole dance at Jerry World. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

She's a real Texan, alright. Right down to her gen-u-wine, made-in-Texas fake titties.

What the fuck are you talking about, LapDog?

I love Texas. That's why I choose to live here with mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, butt loving, hood wearing, gay rolling, cow punching, beer guzzling, bible thumping, Jerry Jones ass kissing FUCKHEADS like YOU!

The good definitely outweighs the bad, but if you don't watch the chicken fried steaks, bubba, it won't.

Obviously you haven't been here long enough... Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You'd probably be happier in Cuba with you own kind.

Texas has lots of gas and oil. Where does it go for metals - other states?

IF Texas were to secede, we would be able to negotiate trade agreements with other countries on our own, without the impedement of the bureaucracy in D.C., to fill any gaps that may occur. And yes, other states would probably be falling over themselves to do business with an economy as strong as ours following an economic collapse.

If you spent more time in other places, you would realize that a lot of states have a special sense to identity, not just Texas. You don't think CA and NY think they are different? The fact that a state thinks it is special doesn't make it so.

And your point is?? A better question would be how many other states can put up the kind of statistics listed in this thread?? And please don't bring up California again. Yes, they have a huge economy, but they are run by libtards and up to their ass in debt from unfunded entitlements and will collapse sooner than later. Sound familiar??

About 90+% of Texas trade is conducted with the other 49 states. How perfectly suited for secession will Texas be when it is cut off from both its customers and its vendors?

See answer above...

Other than an ever-shrinking minority of older white men, can you identify ANY part of the Texas population that doesn't think secession is a stupid idea espoused only by racists?

Not sure exactly where race comes into play. This discussion has centered around economic issues. But, of course, throwing the race card is the always the libtard answer when they have nothing else to say in a debate. Stay tuned on the number of folks buying into the secession idea. IF the U.S. economy collapses, you can bet the list will increase exponentially.

Take a look at the percentage of Texans whose families moved here in the last 40 years. What's that - about 40%? What percentage of Texans have close family members living in other states? About 90%? When the rest of their families are suddenly living in a foreign country and they have to get a visa to go visit them and vice versa, how popular is that going to be?

It's called immigration. And, rest assured, a Texan government would handle it with much more efficiency than the current U.S. government.

If 20-30% of the Texas population moves back to the states whence they came to stay united with their families, how is that Texas economy going to work out? Especially in the high tech sector, where a lot of recent Texas immigrants have come from?

Question: IF the U.S. collapsed, why would a Texas citizen want to leave a burgeoning economic situation to go back into a failed state?? Surely the opposite would be a more realistic scenario. (See immigration answer above.)

But hey, that's cool. You have a map of an electrical grid to make your case for secession. Originally Posted by ExNYer

Can any other state put up a grid like that?? Of course not. And to tie it into the points above, any excess capacity could be sold to bordering territories for a tidy profit, I'm sure.

To be clear, I am not for seccesion. And, I do not want the U.S. to collapse. But to fail to consider the very real possibility is naive.

What the fuck are you talking about, LapDog?

I love Texas. That's why I choose to live here with mouth breathing, knuckle dragging, butt loving, hood wearing, gay rolling, cow punching, beer guzzling, bible thumping, Jerry Jones ass kissing FUCKHEADS like YOU!

The good definitely outweighs the bad, but if you don't watch the chicken fried steaks, bubba, it won't.

Obviously you haven't been here long enough... Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

And here comes the DSOY Stalker again. Does ECCIE offer a discount to members for restraining orders??

(P.S. - Love the Cowboys, hate JerkWad Jones. He's as bad at running the Cowboys as O'Blunder is at running the country. Well...almost)

And here comes the DSOY Stalker again. Does ECCIE offer a discount to members for restraining orders?? Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

Simply responding to an attack by you, LAPDOG!

Or didn't they teach you that in Summa school?

Can any other state put up a grid like that?? Of course not. And to tie it into the points above, any excess capacity could be sold to bordering territories for a tidy profit, I'm sure.

To be clear, I am not for seccesion. And, I do not want the U.S. to collapse. But to fail to consider the very real possibility is naive. Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

Your whole response is based on the ridiculous premise that an economic collapse will somehow wipe out ALL of the other 49 states, but somehow miss Texas. That is a load of crap. Our economies are inextricably intertwined.

If an economic collapse were too occur in the US, it would wipe out Texas, along with the rest of the country and the rest of the world - LONG before the Texas legislature had the time to even debate a motion to secede.

"It's called immigration"? Do you really think that after a secession - sure to be accompanied by violence - that anyone from the other 49 states is going to beat down the doors to get here? Especially since Texas would be in an economically depressed state, just like the other 49 states.

There are a LOT of folks that moved to Texas in the last 20 years for technology jobs. Do you think they are going to stay if they are no longer Americans? What happens when the tech companies they work for relocate to NC, FL, GA, VA, or other states after the other 49 states cutoff trade with Texas? In fact, what makes you think the US will permit any state to trade with Texas after a secession? The other 49 states will get what they need from other countries and force tech companies to move back out of Texas.

There are a whole LOT of bad options that Texas secessionists haven't even considered.

Texas is doing well and Texans should be happy, but the boom in Texas has very little to do with any policies being pursued by Rick Perry or the TX legislature. Right now, Texas is doing well at least in part due to the energy boom (fracking) - the same reason North Dakota is doing well. But if everybody in the world starts fracking to the same extent Texas ise, energy prices will collapse and Texas will lose a boatload of revenue.

Booms come and go. Texans shouldn't be boasting like they will be on top forever.

Your whole response is based on the ridiculous premise that an economic collapse will somehow wipe out ALL of the other 49 states, but somehow miss Texas. That is a load of crap. Our economies are inextricably intertwined.

Never said anything of the kind. IF the U.S. economy collapsed AND Texas decided to secede, my argument is that we would be uniquely positioned to survive, even thrive, on our own.

If an economic collapse were too occur in the US, it would wipe out Texas, along with the rest of the country and the rest of the world - LONG before the Texas legislature had the time to even debate a motion to secede.

Assuming you're right, which is debatable, once a decision was made...refer back to the previous answer.

"It's called immigration"? Do you really think that after a secession - sure to be accompanied by violence - that anyone from the other 49 states is going to beat down the doors to get here? Especially since Texas would be in an economically depressed state, just like the other 49 states.

You made the argument in the context of FAMILIES. I answered your assertion in the context of FAMILIES.

There are a LOT of folks that moved to Texas in the last 20 years for technology jobs. Do you think they are going to stay if they are no longer Americans? What happens when the tech companies they work for relocate to NC, FL, GA, VA, or other states after the other 49 states cutoff trade with Texas? In fact, what makes you think the US will permit any state to trade with Texas after a secession? The other 49 states will get what they need from other countries and force tech companies to move back out of Texas.

Why would a LOT of folks want to leave if, as I argue, Texas is uniquely positioned to thrive?? Whether trade would be permitted is another debatable point. But again, considering that Texas would potentially experience a turnaround much quicker than what was left of the U.S., why wouldn't trade be allowed. It would be a win-win. Of course, with somebody like O'Blunder in charge, all bets are off at the point.

There are a whole LOT of bad options that Texas secessionists haven't even considered.

No doubt. But the viable options cannot be denied in fear of the "what-ifs".

Texas is doing well and Texans should be happy, but the boom in Texas has very little to do with any policies being pursued by Rick Perry or the TX legislature. Right now, Texas is doing well at least in part due to the energy boom (fracking) - the same reason North Dakota is doing well. But if everybody in the world starts fracking to the same extent Texas ise, energy prices will collapse and Texas will lose a boatload of revenue.

Uuhhh, okay. Republican leadership over the last 20 years or so has nothing to do with the state of the state...right. It's all luck.

Booms come and go. Texans shouldn't be boasting like they will be on top forever.
Originally Posted by ExNYer

Why not??

Your source, like everything else you claim to be "factual," is trending towards BULLSHIT.

Other than PORTIONS of the categories Professional, Scientific, "Technical"(technical can mean a lot of things, not necessarily well paying, such as surveyor's assistant); Mining, Quarrying, etc; Finance, Insurance (wonder if he put the office girls there or in Admisistrative Support?); the Medical, Social Services can contain some shit jobs; and the Utilities part of Transportation, Utilities - your graph is a study in three-card Monte'. The number of jobs and the sectors selected cannot match the alleged "high paying" dollar amounts.

There's no "there" there in the graph and I'm thinking the rest of this half-baked statistical shell game is trending in the direction of cooked books.

Looking at Trendaway's "expert's" "credentials," over half of them are rat-wang "think" tanks. The Oklahoma reference is an appoited resume' liner position by the dumb bitch Jan Brewer wanna be who is the governor. Maybe someone who gives a rat's ass will look to see what the French Canadian organizations listed are up to. They have a pretty strong secessionist thing going on in Quebec, too. It wouldn't put me on the floor if they are tied up in that weak bs.

Sorry Charlie, your one legged dawg can't hunt even if it's wearing some of Oscar Pistolero's dummy legs. Obviously, they aren't the only "dummies" around.

Trendaway, if you weren't so full of shit you would be 2'3" and weigh 8 pounds and be a little yip-yip lapdog like ETXrighand.

Off topic, Sorry...David Burge‏@iowahawkblog
One of Joe Biden's hair plug holes functions as a pencil sharpener.

I'd be interested to see how well Texas could police its border with Mexico once ICE is gone. Remind me again Texas Oil Brain what percentage of border enforcement is handled by the virtually unpopulated county sheriff's departments along the border. As usual, you're an idiot.

Some other interesting issues that haven't occurred to you while considering your dim-witted scenario.

1. Whose gonna make up the social security payment that millions of senior Texans rely upon to live and eat? Whose going to provide healthcare to the hundreds of thousands of retired veterans who rely on the VA and military hospitals for their healthcare?

2. Whose gonna provide health care to our seniors and disabled when Medicare and Medicaid go away?

3. How will the economy in a city like San Antonio respond to the withdrawal of the United States Army and Air Force? Fort Sam Houston disappears. Lackland Air Force Base disappears. Randolph Field disappears. How about El Paso? Fort Bliss gone. How about Killeen? Fort Hood gone. How about General Dynamics and Raytheon in the DFW area? You think the US government would cancel those contracts maybe?

Again. You're an idiot.

why are we discussing this stupid fucking topic again?

Do you REALLY think any state will attempt to secede from the Union?

How crazy are you?

why are we discussing this stupid fucking topic again?

Do you REALLY think any state will attempt to secede from the Union?

How crazy are you? Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

David Burge‏@iowahawkblog
Rick Perry rents cheap condo inside Jerry Brown's head http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/340276/texas-trumps-governor-moonbeam-john-fund

Your too fucking funny MunchMouth...................h ere are the author' (Mr. Cox's) credentials, now what are yours ?

Principal of Wendell Cox Consultancy, an international public policy consulting firm with specializations in economics, public transit, transportation, devolution, labor policy, public expenditure policy, and strategic planning.

Established 1985
· Completed projects in the United States (49 states), Canada (6 provinces), the United Kingdom, Australia (5 states), New Zealand, Asia, Europe and Africa

Visiting Professor (Transport & Demographics), Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers (CNAM), (2002-2003) Paris
CNAM is a national university offering programs to the doctoral level throughout France, elsewhere in Europe and in French overseas territories. Degrees up to the doctoral level can be earned at CNAM. The main campus is located at the Arts et Metiers station of the Paris Metro in the 3rd Arrondissement. CNAM is one of the world's largest universities, with an enrollment of 80,000. It was founded in 1793.
Three term member of the Los Angeles County Transportation Commission (1977-1985), the top transport policy body in the nation’s largest county.

Member, Amtrak Reform Council (1999-2002).

Vice-President, Member of the General Council and Member of the Scientific Committee, CODATU Association (Cooperation for Urban Mobility in the Developing World), Lyon.

Member, International Organizing Committee, International Conference on Competition and Ownership in Land Passenger Transport, 1991-

Visiting Fellow, The Heritage Foundation, Washington.

Senior Fellow, Institut économique de Montréal (Quebec)

Member, Board of Research Advisors, Frontier Centre, Winnipeg

Senior Fellow, Heartland Institute, Chicago

Senior Fellow for Urban Policy, Independence Institute, Denver

Senior Policy Advisor, James Madison Institute, Tallahassee

Adjunct Scholar, National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas

Adjunct Scholar, Cato Institute, Washington

Senior Fellow, Georgia Public Policy Foundation, Atlanta

Adjunct Scholar, Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs, Oklahoma City

Adjunct Scholar, Maryland Public Policy Institute, Baltimore

Adjunct Scholar, Evergreen Freedom Foundation (Olympia, WA)

Adjunct Fellow, Reason Public Policy Institute (Los Angeles)

Senior Fellow, Texas Public Policy Foundation, Austin

Adjunct Scholar, Mackinac Institute (Michigan)

Adjunct Scholar, Pacific Research Institute (San Francisco)

Member, Board of Scholars, Virginia Institute for Public Policy

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

"Look Munch, these are all his qualifications" whirly cries out while on all fours as he laps up kool-aid. Since you discount all similar qualifications that some liberals hold, doesn't it come down to misdirection or plain lying? If I presented this to you, credentials and all, you wouldn't believe it.
Because of where it came from. If it came from a "liberal", you wouldn't check the numbers let alone do any calculations.

All those are well and good. But why not provide his method? Why not show which stats he uses? Why do I waste my time explaining and proving with provable facts that you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed?

Why aren't you asking these questions.

Aren't you the guy who talks about statistics being bullshit?

Face the fact, moron. If you don't know which numbers he is using, you don't know what he can be massaging.

The fact he starts with numbers from the Clinton administration (1995) should set off every bell in your belfry.

The fact he supplies no information about which numbers, which occupations, no nothing, and you lap it up like spilt kool-aid.
But you expect us to accept numbers from nowhere because he says he use BLS numbers. Which ones mean nothing to a moron and everything to someone who is checking for the truth.

Which of those 2 are you? That was a rhetorical question.

This person thinks you're stupid and I won't argue with him.
Why do I say that?

Because he didn't write this article for me.
He wrote it for you. And he knew you wouldn't question any of it.

If he wrote it for skeptics, he would have gleefully provided every number, every category, every calculation so he could shove it down our throats.

He was afraid to try that or be published anywhere real scholars would question his methods, his data, and his results.

Your kind of guy.

Why not?? Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN

Your entire argument is based on the premise that Texas is uniquely positioned to thrive after a collapse. I don't buy it.

And I don't discredit 20 years of GOP leadership in Texas. Texas is doing well because it has a good business environment and no income tax.

But that was true even under Democratic governors.

And in the late 80s and early 90s, the Texas economy went into the crapper in the wake of the savings and loan debacle, while other states like (OMG!) New York were barely affected by the real estate collapse. So, as I said before, Texas can't count on staying on top because it wasn't that long ago that it took a dive. How long did it take real estate in Los Colinas to recover? Have they completed that elevated tram yet that was supposed to run all the way out to DFW airport?

You say it is "debatable" that Texas would be wiped out along with the other 49 states even though our economies are inextricably intertwined.

Really? What part of that sounds debatable? How much money do individuals and businesses outside of Texas owe to Texas banks? If they get wiped out in another Great Depression, what happens to all of that Texas-based capital? If the US economy goes under, the rest of the world economy goes under - not just Texas. Texas won't have anybody to trade with - especially Mexico, which will be in even worse shape than the US once all of the money stops flowing south. There is nothing debatable about any of this.

We already saw how the Federal government had to bail out the big banks jsut to keep the economy running in low gear. If there is an even bigger collapse, is Texas going to be able to bail out all of those banks ALL BY ITSELF in order to keep the US economy running so it can trade with Texas.

Your "assuming" an entirely imaginary world and then arguing from your impossible assumptions that everyone will want to come down to Texas or not want to leave after secession. That's like devising a plan to pay off the national debt in 10 years by assuming the economy will grow at 20% a year for the decade and then demanding that I prove you plan wont' work based on your assumptions.

Good luck with that. It will be a Blade Runner world and Texas will be in chaos the same as everyone else.

I'd be interested to see how well Texas could police its border with Mexico once ICE is gone. Remind me again Texas Oil Brain what percentage of border enforcement is handled by the virtually unpopulated county sheriff's departments along the border. As usual, you're an idiot.

Some other interesting issues that haven't occurred to you while considering your dim-witted scenario.

1. Whose gonna make up the social security payment that millions of senior Texans rely upon to live and eat? Whose going to provide healthcare to the hundreds of thousands of retired veterans who rely on the VA and military hospitals for their healthcare?

2. Whose gonna provide health care to our seniors and disabled when Medicare and Medicaid go away?

3. How will the economy in a city like San Antonio respond to the withdrawal of the United States Army and Air Force? Fort Sam Houston disappears. Lackland Air Force Base disappears. Randolph Field disappears. How about El Paso? Fort Bliss gone. How about Killeen? Fort Hood gone. How about General Dynamics and Raytheon in the DFW area? You think the US government would cancel those contracts maybe?

Again. You're an idiot. Originally Posted by timpage

Okay, TP, you win. It's exhausting trying to hold an intelligent dialogue with you libtards, but I'm going to throw out a couple more things, then I'm done with this thread.

First, absent the incompetence of the Feds, I am confident Texas would do a substantially better job of handling border issues.

Second, try to remember that this all hypothetical. In the event of an actual collapse of the U.S. economy, leading to secession, or whatever, NONE of your precious government entitlements would be in play, period. No VA, no SS, no Medicare, no Medicaid, you name it...gone. Typical of a libtard to bleat like a lamb over the very thought of his government paycheck going away. If you want to hear some serious bleating, stick with your man O'Blunder, he'll give the country plenty of reasons if left unchecked.

On the military base issue, of course there would be some pain, and some adjustments to be made. O'Blunder came up with the sequester in 2011 for the express purpose of tearing down the military. So, many of those installations aren't safe for long, anyway.

All that being said, long term, I stand by the premise that Texas could make it on its own...IN THE EVENT OF A COLLAPSE.