- Whirlaway
- 10-24-2012, 09:41 AM
If the past four years is an indication of doing "his best", then it is time for him to step down. He is not up to the task. His dogma is getting in the way of America's recovery.
- markroxny
- 10-24-2012, 09:44 AM
America is recovering under Obama. Tell the tea pots to get out of his way and it will happen even faster.
- TheDaliLama
- 10-24-2012, 09:46 AM
1) 17 million more Americans are on food stamps. That's 49 million who receive it now.
2) He didn't cut the deficit in half like he promised and he added another 6 trillion to it.
3) 25 million Americans are under employed.
4) The drop in medium income for the average black family is 11% which is twice that of a white family.
5) The unemployment rate for blacks is twice that of the national average.
These are just for starters...
2) He didn't cut the deficit in half like he promised and he added another 6 trillion to it.
3) 25 million Americans are under employed.
4) The drop in medium income for the average black family is 11% which is twice that of a white family.
5) The unemployment rate for blacks is twice that of the national average.
These are just for starters...
- markroxny
- 10-24-2012, 10:07 AM
That's 5 negative, I got 50 positive:
Here is the top 20:
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag...ents035755.php
Here is the top 20:
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.
14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.
16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.
17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.
18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.
19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.
20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag...ents035755.php
- acp5762
- 10-24-2012, 11:45 AM
You asked what the hope and change meant and I explained it.Oh the "Hope and Change" was about reversing Bush's fuck ups, and in the process he created his own.
He has done the best he can under the circumstances and we are turning the corner. You have a president who the opposing party has indicated they will block everything he tries to do. It's not easy to get a lot done when that is the case, but he's still making progress. Originally Posted by markroxny
- markroxny
- 10-24-2012, 12:01 PM
Every president has his fuck ups as well as his good works. I like the direction things are going far more than the wars and programs cuts that Romney would bring.
If you prefer that, vote for Romney
If you prefer that, vote for Romney
- acp5762
- 10-24-2012, 01:56 PM
Every president has his fuck ups as well as his good works. I like the direction things are going far more than the wars and programs cuts that Romney would bring.I don't prefer war but Romney isn't responsible for any war ok. Don't speculate that Romney would put us at war. We are in an undeclared war at present under Obama.
If you prefer that, vote for Romney Originally Posted by markroxny
- joe bloe
- 10-24-2012, 02:06 PM
1) 17 million more Americans are on food stamps. That's 49 million who receive it now.I love your new avatar! It's wonderfully insensitive.
2) He didn't cut the deficit in half like he promised and he added another 6 trillion to it.
3) 25 million Americans are under employed.
4) The drop in medium income for the average black family is 11% which is twice that of a white family.
5) The unemployment rate for blacks is twice that of the national average.
These are just for starters... Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
- CJ7
- 10-24-2012, 02:06 PM
- ChoomCzar
- 10-24-2012, 02:15 PM
If Obama had kept his first term promises, I'd be voting for him for a second term. He made plenty of promises unrelated to fixing the economy, which I have detailed in other threads. Things like transparency, no lobbyists in government, etc.
Since he didn't, he doesn't deserve a second term. Originally Posted by CreepyOldGuy
fundamentally transform America? Bankrupt the coal industry? Redistribute the wealth? You'd vote for anyone that legalized weed......
You are so intellectually inconsistent......you got shit4brains and don't even know it.....the garbage on this board make you their bitch and you're too much of an ass-clown to know it.....go fuck off.....fuck yourself you fucking loser.....everything you touch turns to shit because you're a cocksucking idiot.......grows some balls and swallow a bullit dickweed......fucking pothead washed up old hippy.....
someone give the dried out old turd a laced cookie and put him to bed.......
- nevergaveitathought
- 10-24-2012, 07:40 PM
The first go 'round I wasn't fooled... With his spread the wealth to the plumber... Acorn connection.. Bill ayers... Tony rezco... The rev wright... the "fundamentally change America... Michelle and her graft job at the hospital... The speech copying, just words, just words... The race card played on Clinton...the heal the seas and all the rest
BUT
He did sway some... Hope and change.. No red state.. No blue state... Just the united states... A healer, not a divider...so much baloney... But coupled with, in the words of Harry " lighted-headed" Reid, Obama was "clean, light skinned, articulate,no heavy Negro dialect", thats what harry reid said, not me ...and people wanted to reach out and elevate someone who was black because Americans are by nature caring and they elected Obama, when no white man or woman, for that matter, could have ever been elected with the same baggage and lack of resume. And so America looked past everything, all the warning signs, people didn't care... We have a black guy and we are good
BUT NOW
We have proof, there is a record... There is the dour meaness revealed.. The absolute disregard for the debt and deficit... It's a leftist's wet dream... A large
deficit... Just a back door way of tax and of course spend... You don't want to tax
?..... That's ok we'll bump the budget 20% across the board... We will tack it on for
later... These people are dumb... And obamacare?...Hey f you I won.. No matter such a large thing by
all rights needs to be bi-partisan.... The list goes on and on
So now another four years?
Can he change his spots? Especially when he doesn't want to?
More of the same? Nah
BUT
He did sway some... Hope and change.. No red state.. No blue state... Just the united states... A healer, not a divider...so much baloney... But coupled with, in the words of Harry " lighted-headed" Reid, Obama was "clean, light skinned, articulate,no heavy Negro dialect", thats what harry reid said, not me ...and people wanted to reach out and elevate someone who was black because Americans are by nature caring and they elected Obama, when no white man or woman, for that matter, could have ever been elected with the same baggage and lack of resume. And so America looked past everything, all the warning signs, people didn't care... We have a black guy and we are good
BUT NOW
We have proof, there is a record... There is the dour meaness revealed.. The absolute disregard for the debt and deficit... It's a leftist's wet dream... A large
deficit... Just a back door way of tax and of course spend... You don't want to tax
?..... That's ok we'll bump the budget 20% across the board... We will tack it on for
later... These people are dumb... And obamacare?...Hey f you I won.. No matter such a large thing by
all rights needs to be bi-partisan.... The list goes on and on
So now another four years?
Can he change his spots? Especially when he doesn't want to?
More of the same? Nah
- Fast Gunn
- 10-24-2012, 07:59 PM
I think that's a great idea!
. . . Why don't we give the man time to finish his work?
. . . Why don't we give the man time to finish his work?
- markroxny
- 10-24-2012, 08:05 PM
- acp5762
- 10-24-2012, 11:40 PM
- joe bloe
- 10-24-2012, 11:46 PM
The first go 'round I wasn't fooled... With his spread the wealth to the plumber... Acorn connection.. Bill ayers... Tony rezco... The rev wright... the "fundamentally change America... Michelle and her graft job at the hospital... The speech copying, just words, just words... The race card played on Clinton...the heal the seas and all the restGreat post, sort of stream of consciousness stuff.
BUT
He did sway some... Hope and change.. No red state.. No blue state... Just the united states... A healer, not a divider...so much baloney... But coupled with, in the words of Harry " lighted-headed" Reid, Obama was "clean, light skinned, articulate,no heavy Negro dialect", thats what harry reid said, not me ...and people wanted to reach out and elevate someone who was black because Americans are by nature caring and they elected Obama, when no white man or woman, for that matter, could have ever been elected with the same baggage and lack of resume. And so America looked past everything, all the warning signs, people didn't care... We have a black guy and we are good
BUT NOW
We have proof, there is a record... There is the dour meaness revealed.. The absolute disregard for the debt and deficit... It's a leftist's wet dream... A large
deficit... Just a back door way of tax and of course spend... You don't want to tax
?..... That's ok we'll bump the budget 20% across the board... We will tack it on for
later... These people are dumb... And obamacare?...Hey f you I won.. No matter such a large thing by
all rights needs to be bi-partisan.... The list goes on and on
So now another four years?
Can he change his spots? Especially when he doesn't want to?
More of the same? Nah Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought