Okay serious question. Do you know anyone who got sick or died?

  • Tiny
  • 09-06-2020, 07:12 PM
one of my sugar baby told me that her coworkers got sick from covid in march or april.

this sugar baby, I see once in awhile, got tested positive for covid, and was negative the following week. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
One of my sugar babies said a guy she knew well from school, 31 years old, died from Covid. (That's her age too -- I probably like them older than you do.)

Come to think of it, of the people I've described in this thread who I personally knew or heard about second hand, the men are getting hit much harder than the women. Two of them are dead and a third is probably in the hospital. A fourth and fifth had bad symptoms, worse than flu.
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I know a few. One person is still having to do dialysis as her kidneys went into failure (no previous medical conditions). Another still has issues occasionally, but she had PECs' (Asthma and high blood pressure). Most recovered with few to no lasting effects. I know one child who had COVID and it escalated into other issues and she passed away a few weeks ago-- they still aren't sure of what took her out and whether or not it linked to COVID-- or if the timing was just coincidental.



I know 2 adults who died. Both over the age of 70, though-- with the PEC's that are typical of people in that age range.
I had it back in April.

I was 64 years old then, with a lifelong history of severe chronic asthma, and relatively frequent bronchial infections, including a few bouts of pneumonia here and there. I am also obese, but my heart is in very good condition.

It presented as a week or so of very bad asthma. I missed a couple of days of work. On Saturday (day 6), I coughed up a mouthful of green slime, obviously an opportunistic bronchitis, so I went in to get antibiotics started. (I've been under standing orders for well over twenty years on this.)

The doctor looked at me, agreed with me that it probably wasn't COVID-19, but, out of the now-traditional abundance of caution, went ahead and swabbed me for it. He also took a chest X-ray. The radiologist who read the chest X-ray thought she saw something, so they sent me to the ER for a chest CT. ER also swabbed me for COVID-19. They got a negative result back in a few hours, and the CT was normal, so they sent me home.

I was back to normal Monday morning. I was in at work Monday and Tuesday. At 4 PM Tuesday, I got a call from the doctor's office, saying that the swab they'd taken had come back positive for SARS-nCoV-2 (COVID-19).

I'd had NO symptoms suggestive of anything other than asthma, except possibly for a funny taste in the back of my mouth. In particular, I'd had NO symptoms that would indicate any kind of viral infection. For me, it was just a week of bad asthma. Stuff happens.

A lot just depends on what condition you're in and how you treat it. They put me on doxycycline, as I recall, and a dexamethasone injection at the office, which happens to be almost exactly the recommended regimen for COVID-19 as well as being the obvious thing to do for asthma and bronchitis.
But did you know someone personally? A celebrity doesn't count otherwise millions would take credit. For me, two people at work tested positive but neither got sick. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn
Interesting. My nephew took a trip from Chicago to Georgia in June. a few days after he returned home he felt sick tested positive. He was sick for about five days the first three were the worse. I believe the test aren't reliable he could have had anything his symptoms were very common almost nothing to it.
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I had it back in April.

I was 64 years old then, with a lifelong history of severe chronic asthma, and relatively frequent bronchial infections, including a few bouts of pneumonia here and there. I am also obese, but my heart is in very good condition.

It presented as a week or so of very bad asthma. I missed a couple of days of work. On Saturday (day 6), I coughed up a mouthful of green slime, obviously an opportunistic bronchitis, so I went in to get antibiotics started. (I've been under standing orders for well over twenty years on this.)

The doctor looked at me, agreed with me that it probably wasn't COVID-19, but, out of the now-traditional abundance of caution, went ahead and swabbed me for it. He also took a chest X-ray. The radiologist who read the chest X-ray thought she saw something, so they sent me to the ER for a chest CT. ER also swabbed me for COVID-19. They got a negative result back in a few hours, and the CT was normal, so they sent me home.

I was back to normal Monday morning. I was in at work Monday and Tuesday. At 4 PM Tuesday, I got a call from the doctor's office, saying that the swab they'd taken had come back positive for SARS-nCoV-2 (COVID-19).

I'd had NO symptoms suggestive of anything other than asthma, except possibly for a funny taste in the back of my mouth. In particular, I'd had NO symptoms that would indicate any kind of viral infection. For me, it was just a week of bad asthma. Stuff happens.

A lot just depends on what condition you're in and how you treat it. They put me on doxycycline, as I recall, and a dexamethasone injection at the office, which happens to be almost exactly the recommended regimen for COVID-19 as well as being the obvious thing to do for asthma and bronchitis. Originally Posted by Sidewinder

Interesting. you had different results of your covid test from your doctor and ER a few days apart. did you tell your doctor that ER found it negative? am wondering if the dr's test gave you a false positive.
The person I mentioned who I know very well who got it is a stripper. She was traveling to Miami to get hair extensions a couple of weeks ago with two friends and gave it to both of them. She was staying with a couple in Miami and gave it to both of them too. She had bad symptoms, worse than the flu she said, but nothing's going to stand between a stripper and her hair extensions, so she went on in, had that done, and gave the Covid to the hair stylist.

She's going to see the dentist on Tuesday. She says her symptoms are gone except for partial loss of taste and smell so she doesn't think she'll give anyone Covid. I think she's kind of crazy not putting off the appointment.

All the above people had flu like symptoms. Two were men who are suffering worse than the women. One of the men, the husband of her friend in Miami, went to the hospital last night and is having problems breathing and coughing. I don't know yet whether they kept him. He's about 45 years old, a little on the heavy side she says.

I posted about this in another thread and said she'd just infected 4 people she knew about. That was from a conversation about a week ago. Now she's up to 5.

And yes, as you said, she definitely infected at least one of the people before she had symptoms, as her friend in Miami came down with it about 36 hours after she did. Originally Posted by Tiny
Exceptionally poor money management to travel to Miami to get hair extensions!
I had it back in April.

I was 64 years old then, with a lifelong history of severe chronic asthma, and relatively frequent bronchial infections, including a few bouts of pneumonia here and there. I am also obese, but my heart is in very good condition.

It presented as a week or so of very bad asthma. I missed a couple of days of work. On Saturday (day 6), I coughed up a mouthful of green slime, obviously an opportunistic bronchitis, so I went in to get antibiotics started. (I've been under standing orders for well over twenty years on this.)

The doctor looked at me, agreed with me that it probably wasn't COVID-19, but, out of the now-traditional abundance of caution, went ahead and swabbed me for it. He also took a chest X-ray. The radiologist who read the chest X-ray thought she saw something, so they sent me to the ER for a chest CT. ER also swabbed me for COVID-19. They got a negative result back in a few hours, and the CT was normal, so they sent me home.

I was back to normal Monday morning. I was in at work Monday and Tuesday. At 4 PM Tuesday, I got a call from the doctor's office, saying that the swab they'd taken had come back positive for SARS-nCoV-2 (COVID-19).

I'd had NO symptoms suggestive of anything other than asthma, except possibly for a funny taste in the back of my mouth. In particular, I'd had NO symptoms that would indicate any kind of viral infection. For me, it was just a week of bad asthma. Stuff happens.

A lot just depends on what condition you're in and how you treat it. They put me on doxycycline, as I recall, and a dexamethasone injection at the office, which happens to be almost exactly the recommended regimen for COVID-19 as well as being the obvious thing to do for asthma and bronchitis. Originally Posted by Sidewinder
I wonder if your lifelong fight against opportunistic lung infections actually strengthened your natural defense against the consequences of COVID-19, which appear to attack the lungs?
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My son had it. Had the "normal" symptoms -- headaches, muscle pain, fever, cough, maybe some others. Tested positive. Has recovered and is doing well. Wife and son did not get it.

Also have step-daughter who was diagnosed with it by a doctor but due to lack of test kits was not tested. Again, had many of the symptoms of COVID-19.
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Interesting. you had different results of your covid test from your doctor and ER a few days apart. did you tell your doctor that ER found it negative? am wondering if the dr's test gave you a false positive. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Most likely-- it was that the ER did the rapid test and the Dr. Office did the regular test. The rapid test has had a LOT of issues with false negatives and false positives. The longer test tends to be a LOT more accurate-- with the strong majority of the "false" results.. being false negatives. My friend above who is on dialysis-- was negative on the rapid and positive on the regular.
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Turd Ferguson just passed on... Originally Posted by HoeHummer
As did the OP.
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No not personally , SO work at company with 500 employees around the country 1 sick for 2 days
JUST likey the FLU
  • oeb11
  • 09-08-2020, 10:00 AM
as a consumer - please know the difference in the types of tests - antigan and antibody - and what they mean
Know also - the fale negative and false positive results of the tests from different manufacturers can vary - and tests from China may be totally useless.

From the CDC - and previously posted - a non-partisan education effort.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-overview.html
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Most likely-- it was that the ER did the rapid test and the Dr. Office did the regular test. The rapid test has had a LOT of issues with false negatives and false positives. The longer test tends to be a LOT more accurate-- with the strong majority of the "false" results.. being false negatives. My friend above who is on dialysis-- was negative on the rapid and positive on the regular. Originally Posted by Grace Preston
The rapid test was not yet available at that point.

The samples were taken a few HOURS apart, not a few days. BOTH tests were reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR), the Gold Standard test. The differences were swab site and processing time. The hospital has the machine in-house. The Dr's office has to send it out.

Yes, I did discuss it with the Dr's office, when I inquired about doing a confirming test, to double-check. The Dr explained that there was basically no such thing as a false positive on an RT-PCR test: it HAS to see the RNA to go positive.

It IS possible to get a positive if you have in fact killed the virus but the body's garbage disposal systems have not yet removed the debris. I do not believe that this was the situation in my case.
  • oeb11
  • 09-08-2020, 06:42 PM
Most likely-- it was that the ER did the rapid test and the Dr. Office did the regular test. The rapid test has had a LOT of issues with false negatives and false positives. The longer test tends to be a LOT more accurate-- with the strong majority of the "false" results.. being false negatives. My friend above who is on dialysis-- was negative on the rapid and positive on the regular. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

If you have a reference on that statement - I would like to read it
ThankYou.
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Here's the quickest link I could pull-- not in the mood to go sourcing out links that meet the various party agendas....


https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...vid-19-testing