Ever been busted by LE

Normally I do the good old oil check to verify if a provider is real Originally Posted by Wizbull0

See where I am from you get a lot of girls who are new to the business. Most on BP are there one week and gone the next. Originally Posted by Wizbull0

Think you "checking their oil" may have something to do with them not sticking around?

James, two excellent posts. Originally Posted by Old-T

Thank you, sir.

I have to wonder, sometimes. Are some of these guys here (the demimonde) because they like to get naked with pretty women and do what comes naturally, or are they here to
play little spy/detective/paranoia games? Life's just not that long, y'know?

Degrading? You are paying for sex, they are letting strangers fuck them for money. But hey let's quibble about a quick touch to verify both parties are not LE.

And what part of my response did you not understand? When there are no reviews how do you check reviews? Call her and ask for the last five clients she has seen phone numbers so you can call to verify? Originally Posted by Wizbull0

It's cool man. Dicks generally don't realize that they are dicks.

And reading back, I see you second post now. Didn't catch it the first time. You were the one that used vague language in your opening post ("seeing someone new", which can easily be interpreted as YOUR first time seeing them, not ANYONE's first time seeing them). Nevertheless, I apologize for that misunderstanding. Yet my my main point stands: you're kind of a dick.

I must be missing something here. She allows you to touch her genitals, and you do so. How does this establish that neither of you is LE?

What, there's some cop rule that they can neither touch, nor be touched? That's actually pretty funny. Because for our exalted Protectors and Servers, there are no rules. And regardless of what else they do, or don't do, there's one thing they can always do: lie. I'm pretty sure that the L in LE actually stands for Lie (or Lying, or Liar, etc.). Originally Posted by James1588

First, yes, by allowing a sexual act then asking you to pay for a sexual act is the literal definition of the word entrapment. Go look it up.

There actually are rules for cops to follow. These rules or "laws" as you will, set them apart from the criminal element.

And, by the way, I have yet to discuss money at an appointment, ever. The way it works for me is: she publishes her rate structure online. Assuming I'm booking an appointment that's covered by her published rates, I simply ask to book x hours, and bring the appropriate amount of cash with me in an envelope to the appointment, where I hand it to her without comment and then excuse myself to the shower, during which time I can assure myself that my butt's free of dingleberries, and she can assure herself that her consideration has been covered satisfactorily. And if I'm booking some amount of time that isn't covered by her online schedule, I tell her in advance, by email, how much time I'm asking for, and whether such-and-such an amount of compensation will be sufficient. Easy, simple, and straightforward. I realize that my approach may not work well in a backpage situation. But I've never involved myself in one of those, and I think I'll keep it that way. You know, in this modern day and age, it isn't really a problem to find established, reputable, research-able providers. And if it's that easy for me, tucked away in the northeast corner of Indiana, I can hardly believe that it wouldn't be even easier, pretty much anywhere else.

But I could be mistaken. Originally Posted by James1588

Yeah, find me a bunch of websites for escorts in Eau Claire Wisconsin...

Also, if you contact a provider on a website and give her the dollar amount she requests in her ad you will be summarily arrested for solicitation. But hey, you're a smart guy so keep on living in the clouds.

First, yes, by allowing a sexual act then asking you to pay for a sexual act is the literal definition of the word entrapment. Go look it up.

There actually are rules for cops to follow. These rules or "laws" as you will, set them apart from the criminal element. Originally Posted by Wizbull0

I certainly agree that if the cops obeyed the laws, that would set them apart from "the criminal element." Just as, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

As it is, however, cops are an integral part of the criminal element. The only things that "set them apart" are their costumes, and the fact that they are effectively immune from accountability. How do you know when a cop is lying? His mouth is moving. Or his pencil is writing.

It's cool man. Dicks generally don't realize that they are dicks.

And reading back, I see you second post now. Didn't catch it the first time. You were the one that used vague language in your opening post ("seeing someone new", which can easily be interpreted as YOUR first time seeing them, not ANYONE's first time seeing them). Nevertheless, I apologize for that misunderstanding. Yet my my main point stands: you're kind of a dick. Originally Posted by sketchball82

Yes, I'm sorry my post was "vague". Directly stating what I am asking then writing a paragraph in how I myself make sure the provider is not LE and finishing with an open ended question, which I guess for argument sake was intended to be ambiguous, was me being "vague". I'd say I'll spell it out for you next time but I actually did and it still did you no good.

I certainly agree that if the cops obeyed the laws, that would set them apart from "the criminal element." Just as, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

As it is, however, cops are an integral part of the criminal element. The only things that "set them apart" are their costumes, and the fact that they are effectively immune from accountability. How do you know when a cop is lying? His mouth is moving. Or his pencil is writing. Originally Posted by James1588

I've never heard of a sting operation that was not videotaped. Also, I think a cop wouldn't let a John finger her regardless of how dedicated she was.

Yeah, find me a bunch of websites for escorts in Eau Claire Wisconsin...

Also, if you contact a provider on a website and give her the dollar amount she requests in her ad you will be summarily arrested for solicitation. But hey, you're a smart guy so keep on living in the clouds. Originally Posted by Wizbull0

A whole 50 miles from Minneapolis / St. Paul. Cry me a river. I think the online pickings for Huntington, Indiana are pretty thin, too. But I'm able to visit such centers of urban decadence as Fort Wayne. Indianapolis, even, if I'm really feeling frisky.

I guess I'm just leading a charmed life here in the clouds, as I have on multiple occasions done exactly what you've described and am still awaiting my first arrest, summary or otherwise. But hey, you're a much smarter guy. Keep checking the oil. It's obviously working out well for you, no?

I guess it goes back to screening and trusted sources. I dare you to leave envelope on counter and go to rest room on a bp chic.....you will be only one with room. Especially if she says get comfortable and ur butt naked!

Try the finger in the vagina in TX, you might pull back a numb. Many providers do not want fingers inserted. They do not where your hand has been ... pumping gas.

Just ask them to see the pussy.

Look them in the eye, spit on the floor and say "Let me see that pussy"

Once they show you you can whip it out, piss a circle around them to establish your area and fuck.

First, yes, by allowing a sexual act then asking you to pay for a sexual act is the literal definition of the word entrapment. Go look it up.

There actually are rules for cops to follow. These rules or "laws" as you will, set them apart from the criminal element. Originally Posted by Wizbull0

I am glad this has worked for you so far. I feel very certain that it is a tenuous legal defence at best, and will end a whole lot of dates before the ever start.

First, yes, by allowing a sexual act then asking you to pay for a sexual act is the literal definition of the word entrapment. Go look it up.

There actually are rules for cops to follow. These rules or "laws" as you will, set them apart from the criminal element. Originally Posted by Wizbull0

Negative ghost rider. The pattern is full.

First, I would invest time in learning what "literal" means. (Here's a hint. It doesn't mean "a practical example of" as you seem to think.)

Second, I would invest time in learning what entrapment means. (Here's another hint. It doesn't mean merely getting set up by the police as you also seem to think. Aww hell, I'll tell ya. There is another prong to the entrapment test, and you're only considering the first prong. The second (most important prong!) is that the police have to convince you to do something that you would have not done without police influence. If you call someone you think is a hooker, you're already fucked. Entrapment will fail because the police didn't "con" you into doing it. And many jurisdictions don't even let you use an entrapment defense.)

Nevertheless, I do recognize that this thread is going to shit fast. That's partially my fault. It started with a legitimate point, and for going on a tangent, I'm sorry. Therefore, I'm humbling bowing out of the remainder of the thread to help right it. I sincerely (all honesty) apologize for my part in hijacking this thread.

Normally I do the good old oil check to verify if a provider is real before even talking about money....So how do you make yourself comfortable when seeing someone new? Originally Posted by Wizbull0

Nothin' makes me more comfortable than tryin' to finger bang an undercover cop!!