Tips & Info That Should Help Providers & Hobbyists Avoid LE

DTorchia, that's one of the most intelligent posts I've read in this forum -- if not ECCIE as a whole -- for a long time. Welcome to you, sir, and I hope you drop by here frequently to add your views.

DTorchia, that's one of the most intelligent posts I've read in this forum -- if not ECCIE as a whole -- for a long time. Welcome to you, sir, and I hope you drop by here frequently to add your views. Originally Posted by ShysterJon

Thanks for the kind words SJ!

le can and will make contact with you to get you. le if in houston and utah will deff do so. LADIES THAT TOUR I SUGEST TO STAY AWAY FROM UTAH ALL TOGETHER.

Dancers? Manswers? Really???

Why would you make such an "informative" post with such limited information yourself?

What Naomi said was right. The only way to avoid le is to check references/reviews. If a lady has consistently good reviews then chances are she's the real deal. If a man has references from trustworthy providers then he's probably safe too.

And I don't care who does or doesn't touch this or that, or who says what. If you ever walk into the room where a sting is happening, you WILL leave in handcuffs, no matter what you didn't say or touch. You might have only asked the lady for gum. If you turn around to leave, they'll arrest you anyway!

Let's forget all the tricks and the loopholes and the 'I heard this, I heard that'. The solution to avoiding le has already been solved as best it can be. Let's not reinvent the wheel. References and reviews--it's just that simple.

If you go by the reviews how do you know if they are real or not and not just made up by some agency?

Ladies, there seems to be one consistant theme to the above.

Have an Attorney. Do an Attorney. Screw an Attorney, they are professionals at screwing.

A provider friend of mine in CC recently called me with a problem she was having with CPS. CPS does not like providers to have children who might be in the same room with a providers clients. Well, none of us like that but to turn in the provider to CPS. I asked her what her attorney had to say about the meeting and she answered that she did not have an attorney. I was waiting outside while CPS was questioning her. I advised her to STFU and ask for an attorney. CPS carries a badge and can arrest so an attorney is a right. Hell, folks, an attorney is always appropriate (Gideon v. Wainwright) even if you are not arrested but just need someone to hold your hand.
You can do as Mel Gibson did in Mad Max and read yourself your rights.

Ladies if you are going to do business in this profession, have an attorney or two. Free sessions might be a good idea. Taresa Brown had not only two attorneys but a Judge. She still got busted by the FBI (RICO I believe) but no jail time.

If you are doing well in this business, treat it like a business. A business has an attorney. Before I opened my doors as a photographer I spent some time with an attorney and discussed the problems that I might have. The attorney opened a file on me and when I was sued but a client the attorney was ready and shut them down quickly. When years later I was busted for DWI my attorney was ready and set up my case with the above mentioned judge. Whan Bam, case dismissed.

Moral of this is HAVE AN ATTORNEY. The cost now will be little now an save you a bunch later.

LE Even have sex with providers just to get the job done and I know that because I live on google and seen this in many areas.. Which is freaking stupid because where is all of our tax dollars going to LE so they can go and get there pee pees wet to on tax dollars. You cant expect to tackle a problem when you can get a license to do it and advertise on web sites like backpage...

Just Stupid.

If you get caught in a situation where the cops are delibertly targeting Providers or Hobbyist,, (ie, a sting), your ass is going to jail. All you have to do is stop and talk to a "streetwalker", (LE), or show up at a location where you thought a provider would be waiting instead of coming face to face with undercover LE.

That "I just thought she needed a ride" or "sorry, wrong room" will fall on deaf ears. Keep in mind, LE does this for a living, and they know all of the "excuses". They will simply say, "you can tell it to the Judge at your arainment".

Of course, going to jail is not the same as being convicted. But you WILL spend a very uncomfortable night in the County Jail's Tank, and you will have to deal with the system. Regardless of the outcome, LE is often content that you simply took the ride, and you will not wish to do it again.

Most Providers consider the occasional arrest as a cost of doing business. Hobbyist, especially married ones, see it as the end of life as they know it.

If you get caught in one of these senarios, the best advice is to always carry Bail Money, (at least 3 grand), and have a lawyers card in your pocket.

After seeing a whole bunch of different threads and questions pertaining to spotting LE and how to avoid getting clipped, I thought I'd help everyone out with simple facts that should help both providers and their clients be able to detect the real deals from UC's.

#1. An undercover cop or informant working for cops can NEVER make inappropriate contact with you or it's entrapment. For instance, Girls, if you aren't sure of the guy, in a playful and flirty way, maybe grab on him, or grab his hands and place them on certain areas of your body. I know providers who also work as dancers do this often so I'm sure there's a way you can incorporate this tactic when seeing a man you aren't sure of. Guys, it's even easier for you. Suppose the provider in question has a nice rack, ask her if she's all natural, real or not, if she's for real she'll usually respond by asking if you to feel for yourself. If she's got a nice booty or nice legs I'm sure you can somehow work in a comment that would work. If she's for real, she'd have no problem letting you cop a feel. Originally Posted by 51MEANTXGUNS50

I know for a fact that inviting an undercover cop to touch you in a sexual manner or touching him in a sexual manner will land you a felony crime against nature charge in Louisiana or at least in NOLA. Just FYI.

I know for a fact that inviting an undercover cop to touch you in a sexual manner or touching him in a sexual manner will land you a felony crime against nature charge in Louisiana or at least in NOLA. Just FYI. Originally Posted by MsMiaMaxwell

Gotta love the azz backwards laws here lol.

I found this site a while back.

www.escortdrama.com

Its interesting to read about how/when the escort got busted.


Alot of the reports read the same no matter what state it was in .

Its never a bad idea to read to read how others have slipped up to learn how not to.

Ladies, there seems to be one consistant theme to the above.

Have an Attorney. Do an Attorney. Screw an Attorney, they are professionals at screwing.

A provider friend of mine in CC recently called me with a problem she was having with CPS. CPS does not like providers to have children who might be in the same room with a providers clients. Well, none of us like that but to turn in the provider to CPS. I asked her what her attorney had to say about the meeting and she answered that she did not have an attorney. I was waiting outside while CPS was questioning her. I advised her to STFU and ask for an attorney. CPS carries a badge and can arrest so an attorney is a right. Hell, folks, an attorney is always appropriate (Gideon v. Wainwright) even if you are not arrested but just need someone to hold your hand.
You can do as Mel Gibson did in Mad Max and read yourself your rights.

Ladies if you are going to do business in this profession, have an attorney or two. Free sessions might be a good idea. Taresa Brown had not only two attorneys but a Judge. She still got busted by the FBI (RICO I believe) but no jail time.

If you are doing well in this business, treat it like a business. A business has an attorney. Before I opened my doors as a photographer I spent some time with an attorney and discussed the problems that I might have. The attorney opened a file on me and when I was sued but a client the attorney was ready and shut them down quickly. When years later I was busted for DWI my attorney was ready and set up my case with the above mentioned judge. Whan Bam, case dismissed.

Moral of this is HAVE AN ATTORNEY. The cost now will be little now an save you a bunch later. Originally Posted by shooter1a

Um, no, I don't think so. Never NEVER trade services with an attorney. Someone I know had an arrangement with an attorney like that. On her court date, her attorney requested a three month continuance. Why? So that he could keep her on the hook for free services for the next three months.

Paying a professional for a service is the only way to ensure that you will be treated like an equal client. If the professional doesn't provide the service you asked for then you have recourse. If you trade services with an attorney and he drags his feet and keeps delaying you for more free services, then what are you going to do? Tell the judge that you made the arrangement and he won't keep up his end of the deal?

Pay, get a receipt, sign a contract, receive a service for your money--especially with someone who holds your fate in their hands and over your head.

Um, no, I don't think so. Never NEVER trade services with an attorney. Someone I know had an arrangement with an attorney like that. On her court date, her attorney requested a three month continuance. Why? So that he could keep her on the hook for free services for the next three months.

Paying a professional for a service is the only way to ensure that you will be treated like an equal client. If the professional doesn't provide the service you asked for then you have recourse. If you trade services with an attorney and he drags his feet and keeps delaying you for more free services, then what are you going to do? Tell the judge that you made the arrangement and he won't keep up his end of the deal?

Pay, get a receipt, sign a contract, receive a service for your money--especially with someone who holds your fate in their hands and over your head. Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Amen to all of that! But I want to comment on one part of your excellent post:

If you trade services with an attorney and he drags his feet and keeps delaying you for more free services, then what are you going to do? Tell the judge that you made the arrangement and he won't keep up his end of the deal? Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Actually, I think if a provider told the judge what was going on, the judge would direct the lawyer to fulfill his duties, or the judge would kick the lawyer off the case and appoint counsel at no charge. I don't think the judge would attempt to meddle in the provider's business. Moreover, I think the mere threat of going to the judge would probably motivate the attorney to carry out his responsibilities. I think the lawyer would have a lot more to lose than the provider should the situation come to the attention of the judge.

Then again. in a less perfect world, you could be proving the case against you...sometimes just by being what we are is enough to say guilty...No law against escorting, but somewhere along the lines it gets truly twisted. And I disagree...the lawyer has no more to lose than the rest of us...Just sayin.

hi girls its me starr yes i was posting to say that they (vice) they were trying to shut down backpage and city vibe like they did craigslist..they were watching me for 3months i posted the number to watch out for 2108250254...anyway they are using informants to send in session cus they can do whatever with you than vice bustes in to catch you. i cant really talk about still dealing with it in court..thanks starr
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This post was made by a SA provider in the SA coed alerts section. She had been under surveillance for several months. Apparently, vice sent in a *confidential informant* to get the *evidence* then, they sent in LE to bust her. So, YES...they can and DO whatever it takes to make the bust.

I will use the Houston aspd social as an example for...when and if LE wants you...they will find ways to get you. The best thing we all can do is to be dilligent in strict screening...use your common sense and intuition...better safe than sorry should be your motto.