What makes a good Lover?

Don't count on it.

Is it the intense emotions they invoke in you?
Is it how they reach in a deep place inside where none else can..
Is it how they make you feel during intimate intimacy

Is it how they magically seem to take away all your sorrows, fears, insecurities
Is it how they make you feel protected in their embrace
Is it the wisdom they engrave

Is it how they wipe away your tears
Hold you, love you, support you

Bestow upon you shining grace

And how do you pay back such a lover?


"You don't pay love back; you pay it forward." - Lily Hardy Hammond

Originally Posted by Zabrina Sarafina

Love is not about paying back. It is about giving - not the giving of lavish material gifts - but the giving of ones self completely.
The verse you posted is beautiful, but can it ever be achieved? Can it be achieved in a business transaction? Or a temporary affair?

Love is not about paying back. It is about giving - not the giving of lavish material gifts - but the giving of ones self completely.
The verse you posted is beautiful, but can it ever be achieved? Can it be achieved in a business transaction? Or a temporary affair? Originally Posted by tuckahoe

Reminds me of the quote ..."When we quit thinking primarily about ourselves and our own self-preservation, we undergo a truly heroic transformation of consciousness." - Joseph Campbell

I have been contemplating this over a few weeks now ....I think maybe because I am so young I do tend to be self-absorbed, and concerned ultimately about my own needs. But as I am growing, I am realizing that what makes a life meaningful is what you did for others

To answer rest of your questions, in the words of Jay Gatsby "Well, of Course you can!"

To answer rest of your questions, in the words of Jay Gatsby "Well, of Course you can!" Originally Posted by Zabrina Sarafina

Zabrina, you make me want to achieve everything in the verse! But I still don't see how two people who have truly achieved such a pinnacle can then go separate ways.

Zabrina, you make me want to achieve everything in the verse! But I still don't see how two people who have truly achieved such a pinnacle can then go tainted ways. Originally Posted by tuckahoe

fixed it for you.

Zabrina, you make me want to achieve everything in the verse! But I still don't see how two people who have truly achieved such a pinnacle can then go separate ways. Originally Posted by tuckahoe

Well when the 'relationship' has naturally run it's course, what will happen will happen why worry about it

You can take everything you've learned, how you enjoy being pleased, what you deserve, what you're capable of ...and pay it forward

Let the cycle repeat

All life is but a cycle

Lover is singular and loving isn't. What makes good lovers though? Matching levels of desire and stamina. IRL mostly impossible, but I will continue to search.

Stamina? No problem ... I go two minutes and then nap time.

concerning longer lasting relationships, an effort has to be made to sustain.

if that effort becomes a duty or no longer enjoyable, people join eccie, and find short term satisfaction and short term fulfillment in having varying levels of romance and sex with beautiful woman with short term monetary commitments.

somehow, i think people with character determine how to sustain relationships.

ironically, as I make that statement, I realize my character is flawed

concerning longer lasting relationships, an effort has to be made to sustain.

if that effort becomes a duty or no longer enjoyable, people join eccie, and find short term satisfaction and short term fulfillment in having varying levels of romance and sex with beautiful woman with short term monetary commitments.

somehow, i think people with character determine how to sustain relationships.

ironically, as I make that statement, I realize my character is flawed Originally Posted by lostforkate

sustaining relationships - I was just planning to write more on this in another thread

You both have to have chemistry and a complete, uninhibited desire to make your partner feel as much ecstasy as possible.

Zabrina, ever travel to Texas?

Ironically, I find that hobbys stirs my creativity, and sometimes, it helps at home with my SO. Stuff I want to do with providers, I sometimes do with my wife. Probably need to step up a bit more.

One of things that very successful a year ago was to split the kids among my sisters and other family for a week, and took my SO to Acadia for a week. I think as guys, we can forget our SO frequently and their doing child care stuff 24-7, or working a career and still doing a lot for us. And sometime that bitchy attitude we get is the result of neglect. The bitterness we may see may be our doing.

Remember the SOs idea of a date does not mean taking her and the kids out to local diner.

I look forward to your thread.

sustaining relationships - I was just planning to write more on this in another thread Originally Posted by Zabrina Sarafina

You both have to have chemistry and a complete, uninhibited desire to make your partner feel as much ecstasy as possible.

Zabrina, ever travel to Texas? Originally Posted by OBringer

I'll be flying over to Texas to shoot my first wedding this summer! Yay super-excited. I'm considering to stay an additional day so I can get more of a feel of the area ...capture interesting scenes. Maybe I'll have time to meet someone special for a dinner date

I think as guys, we can forget our SO frequently and their doing child care stuff 24-7, or working a career and still doing a lot for us. And sometime that bitchy attitude we get is the result of neglect. The bitterness we may see may be our doing.

Remember the SOs idea of a date does not mean taking her and the kids out to local diner. Originally Posted by lostforkate

Ya think? Reaaaally?

C'mooooon take her out more often for just you + her time for christ's sake

sustaining tainted relationships - I was just planning to write more on this in another thread Originally Posted by Zabrina Sarafina

I corrected it for accuracy ... This could be a hoot for the fucktards hereabouts.

The physical act of sex is wonderful; I think we can all agree on that. However, I believe that in order for it to be maximized and taken to another level, there must be true caring between the participants. And, yes, it can occur in the hobby. I initially met my lady here on eccie, and we began as client/provider. Our relationship quickly blossomed into much more because we had amazing chemistry from the first minute we met. We just clicked with each other. Since that time, just over a year ago, I have seen only one other lady for one time. Now, I don't condemn those who like constant variety, just saying that's not me. This lady gives me absolutely everything I need, physically, mentally and emotionally; so why go elsewhere? Our BCD time is incredibly satisfying and wonderful and, I believe, is totally enhanced by the genuine caring we have for each other and has absolutely no promises or desires for any type of "permanent" relationship on either side. We have become completely entwined in each other's lives and share many more intimacies outside the bedroom than we do BCD. I believe that this completely enhances the sexual portion of our relationship, which is fantastic, but probably only constitutes about 20% of the time we spend together. She just rocks my world, both in and out of the bedroom.

BTW, Zabrina, I took some time to peruse your website and was extremely impressed. It is one of the best that I have seen and should leave no doubt in anyone's mind what type of lady you are and what you desire. Great job!!!