What is the Democrat's position on the securing our borders?

You’re right, rexdutchman, I have NO CLUE...

NO clue what you’re trying to say!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I agree Jackie. The companies that hire illegals undercut the companies that hire legal. And that's a double edged sword. If companies had not been allowed to hire illegals in the past - there would not be this problem now.

I don't see dems addressing this issue at all.

At this rate whomever Trump debates in 2020 is going to lose. All he needs to do is bring up immigration control and the other side will be left open mouthed with no viable solutions to share.

The Wall would solve a lot of problems. Not all, of course.,it's a long Border. But in the end, what can be built certainly would stop a lot.

Which is exactly why so many Swampers and Washington Establishment are so against it.

There are two things that would go a great distance in stopping illegal immigration. First, make the penalty for hiring illegals severe. Go after the the people on top. If a large Construction Company, ( just an example), is found with illegals on a work site, go straight to the Board of Directors and hall their asses out in handcuffs. That would get people's attention.

Also, do away with any benefits to anyone in the Country illegally. No education, no Medicaid, nothing but a free plane ticket home.

Untill the Country gets serious, nothing will change. Originally Posted by Jackie S

.... liberal have no ideas on how to fix the immigration system so it works other they opening the borders of everyone. Originally Posted by rexdutchman

A problem is ... IT IS WORKING FOR THE LIBERALS ...

1. Allow as many in as possible to overwhelm the system.
2. Entice those here with financial benefits.
3. Fail to support criminal/civil remedies to get rid of them.
4. Procrastinate about modifying the existing system.
5. Start incrementally registering them to vote at local levels.
6. Prohibit the identification of those here and how long.
7. Promote additional illegals from outside to enter.
8. Frustrate or eliminate border and incountry enforcement.
9. Facilitate international publicity of US benefits.
10. Marginalize and neutralize opposition with "racist" labels.

The basis for the hysteria in the rank and file of the Liberals is a realization that this POTUS, who is the CIC and Administration Boss, IS SERIOUS ABOUT STOPPING AND IGNORING THE ABOVE and their source of new voters will be eliminated.

I agree Jackie. The companies that hire illegals undercut the companies that hire legal. And that's a double edged sword. If companies had not been allowed to hire illegals in the past - there would not be this problem now.

I don't see dems addressing this issue at all.

At this rate whomever Trump debates in 2020 is going to lose. All he needs to do is bring up immigration control and the other side will be left open mouthed with no viable solutions to share. Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Trump hires non Americans to work at his properties.

What the problem is, is that only the rich and powerful are able to legally import cheap labor... well there is another really big problem, most only know about this immigration problem via slogans. They really do not have a clue as to the facts.

Had they, they would not be lying about liberals wanting open borders that is Libertarians...and not all Libertarians want open borders.

Most folks do not understand that Trumps daughter undercuts American labor by manufacturing her clothes overseas with cheap labor. that is fundamentally no different then importing cheap labor here and making sure they do not get any benefits in fact it would be better to import people here and have them paying taxes and sales tax

You republicans are hypocrites on this subject.

A problem is ... IT IS WORKING FOR THE LIBERALS ...

1. Allow as many in as possible to overwhelm the system.
2. Entice those here with financial benefits.
3. Fail to support criminal/civil remedies to get rid of them.
4. Procrastinate about modifying the existing system.
5. Start incrementally registering them to vote at local levels.
6. Prohibit the identification of those here and how long.
7. Promote additional illegals from outside to enter.
8. Frustrate or eliminate border and incountry enforcement.
9. Facilitate international publicity of US benefits.
10. Marginalize and neutralize opposition with "racist" labels.

The basis for the hysteria in the rank and file of the Liberals is a realization that this POTUS, who is the CIC and Administration Boss, IS SERIOUS ABOUT STOPPING AND IGNORING THE ABOVE and their source of new voters will be eliminated. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Yep! I see it as a sort of numbers game. If, over the course of a decade or two, even a small percentage of these people actually become registered and vote, it could be enough to virtually ensure Dem victories from here to eternity.



A patient, "long game," kinda like that envisioned by Islamic radicals who plan on encouraging their hordes to breed like crazy after gaining a relatively modest population foothold in countries like France and Germany, and seek to develop growing support for stuff like sharia law over the next couple of generations.

A problem is ... IT IS WORKING FOR THE LIBERALS ...

1. Allow as many in as possible to overwhelm the system.
2. Entice those here with financial benefits.
3. Fail to support criminal/civil remedies to get rid of them.
4. Procrastinate about modifying the existing system.
5. Start incrementally registering them to vote at local levels.
6. Prohibit the identification of those here and how long.
7. Promote additional illegals from outside to enter.
8. Frustrate or eliminate border and incountry enforcement.
9. Facilitate international publicity of US benefits.
10. Marginalize and neutralize opposition with "racist" labels.

The basis for the hysteria in the rank and file of the Liberals is a realization that this POTUS, who is the CIC and Administration Boss, IS SERIOUS ABOUT STOPPING AND IGNORING THE ABOVE and their source of new voters will be eliminated. Originally Posted by LexusLover

The problem is, you’re not citing any facts. Just talking points from your favorite Twitter feeds and Trump campaign rallies.

Broad generalizations, identity politics and fear.

I don’t know how many fence sitters there are in here. In fact, I’d venture to say none. So please give the lies a rest.

Or prove your unfounded “Liberals just want to (full in the blank with bullshit)” claims, LL.

It is a very complex issue, undercut by stupid statements trying to blame one party or the other.

The fact of the matter us that we all want cheap goods. That want has led to a huge imbalance in wealth and if you do not understand that, you really do not understand the immigration debate.

A problem is ...

The basis for the hysteria in the rank and file of the Liberals is a realization that this POTUS, who is the CIC and Administration Boss, IS SERIOUS ABOUT STOPPING AND IGNORING THE ABOVE and their source of new voters will be eliminated. Originally Posted by LexusLover

This President hires non Americans at his properties!

How does that help Americans?

It can only lead to one of two things....cheaper toom rates or higher profits for Trump or a combination of the two.

Trump can not only murder someone in broad daylight and none of his supporters will care but he can hire Mexicans to cheaply work at his properties and his supporters will not care!

This President hires non Americans at his properties!

How does that help Americans?

It can only lead to one of two things....cheaper toom rates or higher profits for Trump or a combination of the two.

Trump can not only murder someone in broad daylight and none of his supporters will care but he can hire Mexicans to cheaply work at his properties and his supporters will not care! Originally Posted by WTF

“Toom Rates? Were you trying to say “Tomb Rates? Is Trump in the graveyard business? Maybe those illegals are digging graves!!!!

“Toom Rates? Were you traying to say “Tomb Rates? Is Trump in the graveyard business? Maybe those illegals are digging graves!!!! Originally Posted by bambino

Well, why the hell not? When you can get dead people's votes, you've got it made!

How about illegal dead people’s votes!?

hahahahahaha!!!!

How about illegal dead people’s votes!?

hahahahahaha!!!! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Well, golly gee whiz. If I'm running for office and can manage to get dead people to vote for me, I don't give a fuck whether they're legal residents or illegals! LOL

You need to build a wall around that cemetery.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

You need to build a wall around that cemetery.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You got Russiana spreading lies and influencing elections by millions of votes presently and some around here are worried about a Mexican baby who may vote 18 years from now!

The problem is, you’re not citing any facts. Just talking points .... Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

A couple of "points" ... the other kind ...

1. The "facts" are shown by the actions and inactions.
2. The goal is implied from the resistance and the "facts" shown.

As for "talking points" ...

... I suppose you have a link with the list and would share it!

When Obaminable first announced his "health care plan" there were remarks made about it being a step toward a "single payer" plan, which would be "universal, national health care. The Liberal/pro-ObaminableCare whined .... scare tactics ... and "talking points .... well ....

8 years later .............. that's the mid-term PLANK!

The DNC has gone full tilt Socialist ... "National Medicaid"!!!

Does Mexico have Government paid "National Insurance Coverage" for all residents of Mexico? Does Honduras? Does El Salvador?

Before you "leap"! You might want to do some careful studying!

That's a "candy bar" enticing the peasants and lower class to come to this country!

The "other candy bars" have to do with the "American Dream" as shown on TV in the U.S. ads ...

"Fast, gorgeous cars and WOMEN! Oh, yea, and GUNS!"

"Hot cars. Hot women. Hot guns!!!!!!!" The "American Dream" ... just watch the movies and TV!

Then have a sit-down discussion with them ... the young ones coming up here!