Nice to see you give props to Bush, that must have been hard for you. In doing so you admitted Obama had no part in helping the middle class. It was Bush and Trump that care. As you know not a single dem voted in favor ? Tsk tsk tsk Originally Posted by oilfieldace
Again , no one has given a viable answer to my question. Dem talking points isn't an answer. Get your #3 and big chief tablet and do some more research Originally Posted by oilfieldace
I think grean summed up all the objections to your first post very well. If you don't think they are viable answers, sorry. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXXThey really aren't viable as examples:
They really aren't viable as examples:Good point on Harley. What about Ford?
Harley has been expanding overseas and was planning to shut down more plants here in the US regardless. The tariffs were a convenient excuse.
Obama doubled the national debt. Sure Trump's tax cuts will add to it, but if anyone seriously thinks the debt will ever get reduced is fooling themselves. At some point we will become the next Greece (probably just when I'm about to retire). Originally Posted by SeekingFun69
The banking system almost collapsed under Bush43. Everyone benefitted by saving the banking system. Originally Posted by adav8s28The TARP program to shore up the banking system was passed under Bush. The banks repaid 100% of the TARP money they received, plus interest and dividends to the US Treasury. So TARP didn't add a dime to the national debt, unlike Obama's misspent stimulus program.
If you like your doctor , you can keep him? Please let's not get into who is the bigger liar. You can't win Originally Posted by oilfieldaceLet’s not sprinkle this deep and civil debate with “what Aboutism,” oilfieldace.
They really aren't viable as examples:Tariffs wars, like the one Trump started are bad. Yes, Harley may have been leaning that way already. However, as consumer prices go up, demand goes down where it otherwise would remain the same or potentially increase.
Harley has been expanding overseas and was planning to shut down more plants here in the US regardless. The tariffs were a convenient excuse. Originally Posted by SeekingFun69
Let’s not sprinkle this deep and civil debate with “what Aboutism,” oilfieldace.
Trump was NEVER going to get Mexico to pay for that wall. And it will never
Get built. More red meat for the mob. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider
Oh dear Yssup,Ellen, did you read the article?
I'm afraid you are wrong. The bill to get this project going is about to be introduced. The wall will be built. It would of been done sooner but....Libtards. This is going to move forward. I admit it will be alot slower then people expected but - then again - Libtards.
Check out this story on CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/polit...ill/index.html
And no - Mexico most likely will not pay for it immediately but they will in the long run. Originally Posted by Austin Ellen