Is it acceptable for ladies to not place or insure condom changes in changing holes or partners? Can guys be trusted to insure the ladies safety is always in mind?

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I can tell that for some the questions are too hard or too scary..... For others they awake some concern....

Your self worth is extremely over rated

Participate or don't..... up to you...... Originally Posted by Mike6082

Agreed

In reviewing my answer, I realize that there was more to it than that but did not include because there was nothing to be concerned with. But, since the thread keeps going, I decided to address it in more detail.
There was continued discussion throughout the session between the ladies and the men about where do we dispose of the condoms, where can I get another one, I need to take this one off and get another before I proceed. I will admit that I was visually overwhelmed and could not maintain my erection, bec of the that and a recent increase in that being an issue, as I would have preferred therefore I spent the vast majority of the time watching the activities and that included the extreme
care all parties exhibited in ensuring that safety was of the utmost. No one wanted to participate in unprotected sex that was vaginal or anal and there was always a change made from one lady or one entry to another. I did not intend to be the referee but it just so happened I could observe and ALL involved were very careful.
Now, your next point:
a. Is it acceptable that one lady handles all the screening ? In this case it def was for us and it proved to be the absolutely correct decision. SG is very meticulous in all she does, if you knew her well enough you would know that is extremely accurate, and she CANNOT risk for many reasons, nor can any of the rest of us, having something go wrong in that type or any type of situation.

b. Is it acceptable that the guys are left to their own scrutiny to insure they change condoms in between ladies and holes? In this case it was not left to each individual guy. Each person, ladies and men, continually voiced, like a good team does with good teamwork, the necessity to insure safety. I do not think it is best left to just this or just that, no sir. You are correct in asking. And fortunately in this specific case, because of the extraordinary screening and the maturity and concern desired by all. there was no fear and a great time was had. Hope this helps Whispers and all who may choose to read.

I can see future reviews being dulled by people bending over backwards about how they carefully washed their hands before touching their zipper and .......ZZZZzzzzzzz

In reviewing my answer, I realize that there was more to it than that but did not include because there was nothing to be concerned with. But, since the thread keeps going, I decided to address it in more detail.
There was continued discussion throughout the session between the ladies and the men about where do we dispose of the condoms, where can I get another one, I need to take this one off and get another before I proceed. I will admit that I was visually overwhelmed and could not maintain my erection, bec of the that and a recent increase in that being an issue, as I would have preferred therefore I spent the vast majority of the time watching the activities and that included the extreme
care all parties exhibited in ensuring that safety was of the utmost. No one wanted to participate in unprotected sex that was vaginal or anal and there was always a change made from one lady or one entry to another. I did not intend to be the referee but it just so happened I could observe and ALL involved were very careful.
Now, your next point:
a. Is it acceptable that one lady handles all the screening ? In this case it def was for us and it proved to be the absolutely correct decision. SG is very meticulous in all she does, if you knew her well enough you would know that is extremely accurate, and she CANNOT risk for many reasons, nor can any of the rest of us, having something go wrong in that type or any type of situation.

b. Is it acceptable that the guys are left to their own scrutiny to insure they change condoms in between ladies and holes? In this case it was not left to each individual guy. Each person, ladies and men, continually voiced, like a good team does with good teamwork, the necessity to insure safety. I do not think it is best left to just this or just that, no sir. You are correct in asking. And fortunately in this specific case, because of the extraordinary screening and the maturity and concern desired by all. there was no fear and a great time was had. Hope this helps Whispers and all who may choose to read.
Originally Posted by sandy

I was never insinuating that any unprotected sex might occur. More that guys would simply move from hole to hole or lady to lady without the concern. Thank-you for the explanation and I can definitely see where it could be a huge buzz kill getting in the way of actually enjoying it.

I appreciate you acknowledging the validity of the question.

One of the emails I received regarding the question indicated that an extra girl, helping getting the guy up and putting the condom on, while also insuring the ladies are always protected from a bacterial issue leading to UTIs or worse, was how she saw it handled.

We all manage risk in dealing with our preferred hobby and activities.

I have been, what others would consider, a very regular and trusted client of a lot ladies as well as agencies over the years.

It is incredibly easy to get caught up in these activities with more than 2 people involved. In only a couple of rare instances was I not stopped and a condom changed by the provider I was with when changing ladies or holes.
Personally in evaluating risk I rule out ladies that participate in anything more than a 3some and try to never do a 3some unless I have seen each lady one on one first.

The risk is the primary motivator for me to rule ladies like these out. But considering I prefer a more GFE session, Orgy Girls and even PSE tends to be an image I don’t like having pop into my head.

Questions…

1) It has been presented by a member that was present and experienced with orgies that this was a properly run event with no concerns

a. Is it acceptable that one lady handles all the screening ?

b. Is it acceptable that the guys are left to their own scrutiny to insure they change condoms in between ladies and holes?

2) For those with experience in the Orgy scene, is this the “norm”? Originally Posted by Whispers

The OP says a lot but really contributes nothing new to the debate and from a fact finding perspective, any answers are useless to him as he has already admitted to not participating in, or wanting to participate in an orgy. . As he quoted above, those in attendance already explained the safety and professionalism of the event.

For 1a, if one lady did the leg work of the screening, it is at the agreement of the other ladies involved.... No one dragged them to the event. What difference does it make?

For 1b, the question assumed facts not in evidence and subsequent responses clarified that ALL participated in the condom safety process. And of course, the op already acknowledged the claims that it was professionally done.

As for 2, is this the norm... I'd venture to say not all Orgies are professional and safe. The op prefaced the questions with THIS event which insinuates that it may have not been professional and clean all the while acknowledging that participants have exclaimed it to be so.

Like I said, the plain text of the post answers it's own questions and offers nothing new and as the op is not a fan of Orgies or will make use of the answers to the already answered questions, it is fair to question the motives of the poster as has already been done. I believe the answer is obvious that the op desires to place a cloud of suspicion over the event and it's female participants... And by association, gentleman participants as well. Anyone who feels as he does re: Orgies and safety have all they need to know... The ladies who participated announced it in an ad, two for that matter. It is no secret. If another one happens, as bolded above, it's up to each to Guage their risk tolerance and again, NO ONE WAS FORCED TO BE THERE. ... Consenting adults and all!

The OP says a lot but really contributes nothing new to the debate and from a fact finding perspective, any answers are useless to him as he has already admitted to not participating in, or wanting to participate in an orgy. Originally Posted by Netx9

There are many that may not participate in orgies.

But not everyone thinks through the activities or concerns.

Discussion and debate informs others and people learn.

I've been in basic GFE sessions as well as real life scenarios where people get caught up in the moment and forget protection much less changing the protection moving from ass to cooch. It's not a concern for a guy outside of his SO after all is it?

Do I want people to think about these kind o activities from the total perspective including safety? Yes I do.

There are ladies that do not see guys that see street walkers. There are ladies that do not see guys that see back page girls.

I may pause one day to listen to your type when you spend the same amount of time and energy questioning those practices.

Until then I will use your arguments to continue to make my points.

I believe these activities to be very risky and I avoid the ladies that do. I also cross those guys off and avoid ladies they see.

I do not believe I am the only one that does and I believe that there are ladies that use similar logic making their decisions.

You can question the purpose or reason all you want. The question and discussion is valid.

Once again. Thank-you for your participation.

I've said it before... it's "my" job to protect myself. I don't leave that responsibility to "any" provider. I would assume if invited to this caliber of event it would also be "my" responsibility to make cover changes from provider to provider. That being said because cover changes I would spend more time confined to one provider. Foot Note: Some providers demand a different cover for greek. Its also assumptive that all rules were discussed by all involved as a group before staring. As someone who has experienced several triples the cover changing is a pain in the ass so usually the girl on girl starts while I'm recovering to secure a new mount.

In this much talked about group session I would be more than willing to watch the tape and make any needed judgement calls throwing penalty flags as needed. If no such tape exits well the session is between 3 young ladies and 7 lucky stiff legs.

I thought I read all the reviews.... has someone come forward claiming any wrong doing?

Should I wait for the next very publicly discussed Orgy to ask the questions simply because of the timing?
Originally Posted by Whispers

No but it is funny how whenever a lady on this board displeases you you find something about that lady to question and then you berate her until she either gives in to your way of thinking or how did you put it once:

"Hookers should just STFU post their ad and leave the talking to the men"

maybe not an exact quote but I don't have the time or the inclination to go find the exact quote but I think I was pretty close and the context seems to be about right who knows

I thought I read all the reviews.... has someone come forward claiming any wrong doing? Originally Posted by Still Looking

I read all the reviews as well and I didn't see anything so unless 1 of the 10 that were actually involved has said something privately to our self proclaimed "Hobby Savior" it sounds like a witch hunt to me.

No but it is funny how whenever a lady on this board displeases you you find something about that lady to question and then you berate her until she either gives in to your way of thinking or how did you put it once:

"Hookers should just STFU post their ad and leave the talking to the men"

maybe not an exact quote but I don't have the time or the inclination to go find the exact quote but I think I was pretty close and the context seems to be about right who knows

Not remotely close to a quote in the context you are trying to use it. I have no issues with women that post. There are many I enjoy. There are also many that do themselves a huge disservice and should stick to the ads.

I read all the reviews as well and I didn't see anything so unless 1 of the 10 that were actually involved has said something privately to our self proclaimed "Hobby Savior" it sounds like a witch hunt to me. Originally Posted by a10bomb

I asked a question and got some answers..... With the absence of others that contribute to the subject matter we will spend 3 days discussing the right of me or others to ask such questions. I've not commented in a way to try to make a statement this was about any specific provider. Others seem to want to make that connection. If others keep taking it that way then we will eventually have that discussion.

There are many that may not participate in orgies.

But not everyone thinks through the activities or concerns.

Discussion and debate informs others and people learn.

I've been in basic GFE sessions as well as real life scenarios where people get caught up in the moment and forget protection much less changing the protection moving from ass to cooch. It's not a concern for a guy outside of his SO after all is it?

Do I want people to think about these kind o activities from the total perspective including safety? Yes I do.

There are ladies that do not see guys that see street walkers. There are ladies that do not see guys that see back page girls.

I may pause one day to listen to your type when you spend the same amount of time and energy questioning those practices.

Until then I will use your arguments to continue to make my points.

I believe these activities to be very risky and I avoid the ladies that do. I also cross those guys off and avoid ladies they see.

I do not believe I am the only one that does and I believe that there are ladies that use similar logic making their decisions.

You can question the purpose or reason all you want. The question and discussion is valid.

Once again. Thank-you for your participation. Originally Posted by Whispers

So... Still nothing new and nothing you haven't already said in the other thread. You don't like Orgies. You won't see girls who do them, or guys who see those girls... Check. So why keep saying the same things...? Yet again, nothing new, so again, your motives are questionable.

Oh,... Can you guarantee that none of the gals you've ever been with gfe/solo have never participated in group sex/Orgies? Like SL said, you are responsible for your own protection.

I thought I read all the reviews.... has someone come forward claiming any wrong doing? Originally Posted by Still Looking

Nope. . It surprised me that a Provider would leave her safety in the hands of a horny guy looking for an empty hole...... Even moreso that more than would ....

I've not commented in a way to try to make a statement this was about any specific provider. Others see to want to make that connection. If ithers keep taking it that way then we will eventually have that discussion. Originally Posted by Whispers

Maybe not in this thread, but please.... Just because you didn't say the specific name in this thread doesn't mean there aren't dots that connect to your motivation here...

From the first post I read of hers SG had me convinced she was different.


SGs response today.....

<snip>...

... you removed all that mystique with the grandstand play for attention that your orgy generated

Congrats on putting a cool grand in your purse as well as each of your friends for a couple of hours work.....

But..... consider.......

For some.....(I know I don't matter but I'm one of the "some")

you went from being a very unique and approachable lady that came across as extremely refined offering a rather unique experience......

to one of those girls with 7 dicks in you over a couple of hours.....

from well thought out costumes and settings and sessions that offered a hint of romance without the need for love..... to an image of an assembly line of dicks going from mouth to ass to puss to ass to mouth from one girl to the next ....How much wear will your body take from others that want to double stuff you vs the GFE sessions that could be lost as a result of the new direction?

I've never been willing to believe, for even a moment, that 3 girls in the midst of getting "stuffed" for hours are capable of watching for every condom change and there are simply too many times in a flurry of activity like that where a guy comes out of one ass and sees a puss empty and does not pause to change the condom.... after all... HE is protected..... Even with a "spotter" or two if you thought of that the whole orgy thing is a turn off to a lot of guys....

Sorry mam.... It scares me and I am sure there are others......... maybe it's a well thought out marketing ploy with an image change.... Girls that do Orgies are definitely thought of in a different light..... you will have a new image now...

Class act to Novelty act in one post and one session....

<snip>


. Originally Posted by Whispers

So... Still nothing new and nothing you haven't already said in the other thread. You don't like Orgies. You won't see girls who do them, or guys who see those girls... Check. So why keep saying the same things...? Yet again, nothing new, so again, your motives are questionable.

I respond to those that seem to ignore what has been said. I will always try to respond to those that participate in a thread I start..

Oh,... Can you guarantee that none of the gals you've ever been with gfe/solo have never participated in group sex/Orgies? Like SL said, you are responsible for your own protection. Originally Posted by Netx9

no. I cannot. I make decisions based on what I know at the time I need to make a decision. Once I quit seeing someone I do not tend to follow their career.

Maybe not in this thread, but please.... Just because you didn't say the specific name in this thread doesn't mean there aren't dots that connect to your motivation here...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whispers
From the first post I read of hers SG had me convinced she was different.


SGs response today.....

<snip>...

... you removed all that mystique with the grandstand play for attention that your orgy generated

Congrats on putting a cool grand in your purse as well as each of your friends for a couple of hours work.....

But..... consider.......

For some.....(I know I don't matter but I'm one of the "some")

you went from being a very unique and approachable lady that came across as extremely refined offering a rather unique experience......

to one of those girls with 7 dicks in you over a couple of hours.....

from well thought out costumes and settings and sessions that offered a hint of romance without the need for love..... to an image of an assembly line of dicks going from mouth to ass to puss to ass to mouth from one girl to the next ....How much wear will your body take from others that want to double stuff you vs the GFE sessions that could be lost as a result of the new direction?

I've never been willing to believe, for even a moment, that 3 girls in the midst of getting "stuffed" for hours are capable of watching for every condom change and there are simply too many times in a flurry of activity like that where a guy comes out of one ass and sees a puss empty and does not pause to change the condom.... after all... HE is protected..... Even with a "spotter" or two if you thought of that the whole orgy thing is a turn off to a lot of guys....

Sorry mam.... It scares me and I am sure there are others......... maybe it's a well thought out marketing ploy with an image change.... Girls that do Orgies are definitely thought of in a different light..... you will have a new image now...

Class act to Novelty act in one post and one session....

<snip> Originally Posted by Netx9

If you want to connect a certain provider to this thread by name then it's your doing. not mine. Perhaps you should check with your Mistress to be sure she wants you to be the one to post her name here in the thread.

I've tried to keep this conversations about the process or procedures that are in place in orgies. Yes it was prompted by all the talk of the recent one.

But.... Do you ever consider that many people that are not from San Antonio or that come to the boards new might find this thread and take what they want from it in regards to the risks I have pointed out that are not specific to anyone specific and not be interested in going off to "connect the dots" as you say?

Once I quit seeing someone I do not tend to follow their career. Originally Posted by Whispers

... But someone you've never seen bcd and will not... You seem to pay special interest to. Hm.

Find another crusade... You're badgering a provider, directly and indirectly (no matter how much you protest you're just 'informing') and it should be a caution to anyone who seeks your assistance... Don't disappoint whispers or he will bury you. As you said... She reached out to you privately... Yet you made it public. You got no response to your baiting in the other thread so you started this one.

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You insult those who engage in orgies because it suits your narrative so you make your dislike for those who engage in it public... To continue your beratement, however subtly... Talking in generalities about how you find it hard to believe someone didn't slip even in the face of assertions that all was safe.

Plain and simple, you already called out the orgy as a publicity stunt to distract from your other accusations... This is just a way to refocus the discussion back to the object of your derision.

Again... Beware those who seek your aid and confidence.