Let me explain

not when it involves other john's semen and possibly endangers the community. fuck that shit, i'm glad she outed him... Originally Posted by donuts

Couldn't agree more! That freaks me the fuck out! I don't care what kind of fetish you have, just leave me and my Giz the fuck out of it!

The fact that you outted his personal fetish and didn't have any regard to that means you are off many guys list. It's one thing to defend yourself it's another to reveal sensitive hooker information. Don't you know you have the same laws as lawyers? Hooker to John privilege is recognized in at least one state...right? Originally Posted by PhillipMcCondom

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The fact is that situation could have been much better handled without "outing" the guys fetish. Which is exactly what she did. A general statement of "unable to accomodate his particular fetish" would have sufficed.
It seems as though she gave details of this situation to gather support for her explanation by embarassing the hobbyist IMO. Based on some comments to defend her, it seems to have worked.

not when it involves other john's semen and possibly endangers the community. fuck that shit, i'm glad she outed him... Originally Posted by donuts

donuts: Outing is outing and you nor anyone else gets to have the discretion as to when you get to violate that persons private requests. The fact that she wasn't going to do what that person asked anyway means your safety was never in jeapordy. So why do you care what his fetish is if it will never effect you.

This has nothing to do with whether Makaya is a good/skilled provider. It has everything to do with whether she used good judgement in revealing sensitive information about a hobbyist that should have been kept private. I don't care how much it "freaks you out." Health and safety issues raised in these threads are nothng more than a red herring that obscures the bigger question of poor judgement. Never forget, that could be you the next time!! Makaya, sorry honey, you breached a sacred hobby canon with that post. It's not even a grey area in this case.

The ONLY reason I came forward with the information is because it involved other members, WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE!!! It involved DNA. You are aware that sperm stays alive for quite some time, right? It is possible for that sperm to impregnate someone. Then what? A member is stuck with a kid when they were safe? I'm not saying that's at all what happened, because it's NOT the situation. I NEVER discuss anyone's requests, UNLESS IT INVOLVES OTHER PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE. I'm sorry that you're so closed minded and refuse to see that I did the right thing. I hope to God that you are never an unwilling participant in someone else's "fetish". I wasn't trying to "rally the troops", as you seem to think. I explained why this member has a grudge, and still feel as though I did the right thing by letting members know what is being requested involving their DNA. I wish you all the best. But know this, I am professional, I am discreet, and I don't "Out" anyone. You are failing to remember that I NEVER saw him. THEREFORE NOTHING EVER HAPPENED BETWEEN US! How can you out someone you've never seen? I probably shouldn't post this because I'm angry. But fuck it! I have the right to stand up for myself. Just because I do this for a living, doesn't make it ok for anyone to respect me any less.

if ever there was a case for nqns I think we have it here

Lol. Too Funny! Those who have seen me know that I swallow

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The fact is that situation could have been much better handled without "outing" the guys fetish. Which is exactly what she did. A general statement of "unable to accomodate his particular fetish" would have sufficed.
It seems as though she gave details of this situation to gather support for her explanation by embarassing the hobbyist IMO. Based on some comments to defend her, it seems to have worked.



donuts: Outing is outing and you nor anyone else gets to have the discretion as to when you get to violate that persons private requests. The fact that she wasn't going to do what that person asked anyway means your safety was never in jeapordy. So why do you care what his fetish is if it will never effect you.

This has nothing to do with whether Makaya is a good/skilled provider. It has everything to do with whether she used good judgement in revealing sensitive information about a hobbyist that should have been kept private. I don't care how much it "freaks you out." Health and safety issues raised in these threads are nothng more than a red herring that obscures the bigger question of poor judgement. Never forget, that could be you the next time!! Makaya, sorry honey, you breached a sacred hobby canon with that post. It's not even a grey area in this case. Originally Posted by rjdiner

You and don't often disagree, but on this we do!

Any fetish that involves an unknowing third party has become a THREAT!

My opinion, she waited too long to post this! It should been an alert!

Makes me want to flush ALL my covers myself!

Can you imagine getting a letter "the court orders you to appear for a DNA test in a paternity suit?"

Smh..

Louigi who is the damaged third party and how was he damaged?
In what fucking universe was this required to be revealed and explain why. If this question seems like bait, it is. Be very careful of your answer because this is so beyond the bounds of wrong and right I cannot believe you are missing the larger point.
Tell me specifically WHY you disagree. Make your case if you can.

Louigi who is the damaged third party and how was he damaged?
In what fucking universe was this required to be revealed and explain why. If this question seems like bait, it is. Be very careful of your answer because this is so beyond the bounds of wrong and right I cannot believe you are missing the larger point.
Tell me specifically WHY you disagree. Make your case if you can. Originally Posted by rjdiner

Easy! Fucktard gets my giz, while the swimmers are still swimming. Impregnates hooktard with my DNA and i end up in court - bankrupt! Not plausible? I'm not taking the risk to find out!

Get a grip RJ if this fucker isn't trying to pull some bull shit why isn't he posting a defense?

Do you seriously want some fucktard running around with a sack full of your DNA?

You know, we are not streetwalkers on Lepoard or anything. You guys give a step by step, moment by moment breakdown in the ROS in a review. We don't come looking for you, you come looking for us, and still we are judged and under the microscope 24/7 in and out of the hobby. Our every action is recorded by you guys and posted for all to see. Why is what I did so wrong?! I don't feel like I did the wrong thing here because it involved other people, WITHOUT their consent! It's along the same lines as having a hidden video camera and sharing it with others, in my opinion. The unknowing parties have a right to know, only so they can protect themselves. I understand why we are judged. You pay us your hard earned money and want to get what you pay for, as you should. But why am I SO wrong? I should have come forward sooner, but I worried about this exact shit storm. I'm sorry for causing such a mess. It wasn't my intention.

You and don't often disagree, but on this we do!

Any fetish that involves an unknowing third party has become a THREAT!

My opinion, she waited too long to post this! It should been an alert!

Makes me want to flush ALL my covers myself!

Can you imagine getting a letter "the court orders you to appear for a DNA test in a paternity suit?" Originally Posted by Louigi

Ditto, I agree this should have been an alert. Besides a paternity suit could be a sting operation gathering evidence. I think I am leaning even more towards providers with NQNS

Makaya, making private communications public is outing and a breach of trust. Actually seeing the hobbyist is not required.

In terms of the PSA aspect, the following could have been posted in Alerts...

Not naming names but a hobbyist has asked me to collect your DNA for him. I refused. Guys, make sure that your provider swallows or that your swimmers go down the toilet. Stay safe.

You didn't have to choose the lesser of two evils. You could have warned us without outing. Next time, consult a Mod or someone whose opinion you trust to help with editing to avoid all this drama.

Don't worry too much about this thread. I doubt it will affect you. Just put it in the Lessons Learned column.

I agree that this is a very far reaching issue. The live swimmers impregnating someone is the least of my concerns. DNA is viable for a very long time. The possession of someones DNA is a very dangerous thing. If I were wanting to hide my identity in a crime the best way is to leave someones else's DNA that at the crime.

This is not an issue of someones fetish, It is a request to steal someones identity. I would hate to see the expression on someone's face when the po po knocks on your door for a rape or murder case where your DNA was found.

If it is not nqns then I am flushing my own glove from now on. I wonder if other ladies have agreed to his request.

This is a danger I never thought of and I for one am glad to know that this danger is out there.

Thanks Makaya

I don't care. It was a request. She said yes, but we never went through with it. I never scheduled anything. Upon thinking about it, her drug past, and what she looks like I thought she was nasty. She saw that I said that and flipped out on me. I haven't talked to her since, but weeks later she "outs" me to get retribution. She does fetishes, it was a fetish request. Now I know her drug past, her violent temper, her desire to get even and break trust. It's up to you guys.