Election Perspectives

We now choose candidates because of what we fear the other candidate might do. Making it a visceral choice, not a logical one. Originally Posted by Txn5inThick

Well said.

Thx

It never ceases to amaze me why some folks feel that just because you've worked harder than others and have earned more reward for that effort you should be forced to give to those who are either too lazy to work harder or even get a job.

Look at income tax as if it were the hobby.

Does anyone on here honestly feel that one of those HDH girls who were fucking Spitzer in NYC and getting 4-5K an appointment should send money here to the poor BP provider who has a shitty incall and is offering blow and go sessions for fifty bucks?

THAT'S exactly the sort of scheme way too many Dems want when they whine and cry to tax the rich to support others.

IF someone wants to work and better their place in life there are ample opportunities to do so and depending on that welfare check, WIC or ADC payment to care for you ass because you made a piss poor decision to get pregnant at 12 years old is not mine or some fat cat on Wallstreet's responsibility to give you food, shelter, or other crap.

I was discussing this the other day but it really seems that the vast majority of people are exactly where they want to be in this country.

They choose poorly and then expect others to pick up the slack on the backs of the work force by taking money from those who work their asses off while they don't do shit.

Quit blaming others for being successful and claiming they need to pay 'their fair share" because that is complete bullshit. Those who make more because they work hard deserve to keep what they kill and others need to learn to get off their ass and learn to hunt and kill that almighty greenback.

As for TTH calling the tea party by names, let's look at the factions that make up the Democrats.

Ultra far left groups like PETA who feel that no human should eat anything other than plant life. Yeah, sure.

Socialist/Communist groups who feel that capitalism is bad and must be destroyed and of course, they will be the ones in power and we all know how well those sorts of programs have worked around the world no matter how often it is tried. By taking over more and more of private business they have encroached on businesses here in this country to the ruin of most industry such as the automotive business. Sad to say that although there was a serious need for unions to protect workers many years ago, today's unions are like a leech attached to the jugular vein of most businesses draining them worse than any vampire.

Give me one example where socialism or communism has ever worked out for the betterment of every person in that society. Just one.

For the economist in all of us:

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=116033

He posted an opinion that included calling whomever is nominated on the republican side a loon. TTH has a long history of name calling to anyone who does not agree with his opinion. Why do they have to be a loon? ANYONE right of TTH is a loon according to him based upon his own posts.

His comment could have stood alone without desparaging anyone else. Again, he has a very long history of this "debate" style. Originally Posted by Boltfan

I think it's fair to refer to the 'loons' in the closely aligned Republican and Tea Parties. Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, and Rand Paul spring to mind. It's not the same as tossing insults at specific fellow posters here and you know it, which is why I apologized recently when it appeared as though I crossed the line and you called me on it.

However, anyone who tosses the loon comment in the direction of the Republicans better be aware that they live in a glass house. I swear I'm going to pop a cork on a bottle of expensive champagne this weekend to celebrate Pelosi's ouster (maybe at CR). There is nothing I wanted to see more out of this election than seeing her get the boot. I'll also add that I'm very happy that Obama got a good spanking. He was a great talker during his campaign but I haven't seen weaker execution since Ford or Carter. I think Obama's wife is twice the man he is. I hope this is a wakeup call.

So let's hope the parties head towards the middle to get something done, because that benefits all of us the most. Nobody benefits from either Democrat or Republican failures.

It never ceases to amaze me why some folks feel that just because you've worked harder than others and have earned more reward for that effort you should be forced to give to those who are either too lazy to work harder or even get a job.

Look at income tax as if it were the hobby.

Does anyone on here honestly feel that one of those HDH girls who were fucking Spitzer in NYC and getting 4-5K an appointment should send money here to the poor BP provider who has a shitty incall and is offering blow and go sessions for fifty bucks?

THAT'S exactly the sort of scheme way too many Dems want when they whine and cry to tax the rich to support others.

IF someone wants to work and better their place in life there are ample opportunities to do so and depending on that welfare check, WIC or ADC payment to care for you ass because you made a piss poor decision to get pregnant at 12 years old is not mine or some fat cat on Wallstreet's responsibility to give you food, shelter, or other crap.

I was discussing this the other day but it really seems that the vast majority of people are exactly where they want to be in this country.

They choose poorly and then expect others to pick up the slack on the backs of the work force by taking money from those who work their asses off while they don't do shit.

Quit blaming others for being successful and claiming they need to pay 'their fair share" because that is complete bullshit. Those who make more because they work hard deserve to keep what they kill and others need to learn to get off their ass and learn to hunt and kill that almighty greenback.

As for TTH calling the tea party by names, let's look at the factions that make up the Democrats.

Ultra far left groups like PETA who feel that no human should eat anything other than plant life. Yeah, sure.

Socialist/Communist groups who feel that capitalism is bad and must be destroyed and of course, they will be the ones in power and we all know how well those sorts of programs have worked around the world no matter how often it is tried. By taking over more and more of private business they have encroached on businesses here in this country to the ruin of most industry such as the automotive business. Sad to say that although there was a serious need for unions to protect workers many years ago, today's unions are like a leech attached to the jugular vein of most businesses draining them worse than any vampire.

Give me one example where socialism or communism has ever worked out for the betterment of every person in that society. Just one. Originally Posted by LazurusLong

LL - I doubt you and I will ever agree on gun control, but as a conservative (not to be mistaken with dumb-ass Republican... and yes, the Dems are dumb-asses too) I agree with just about everything you've written and I appreciate the passion. Especially the part about personal choices, unions, etc.

On global markets, I want to re-make one point: The system in China is working and that's why they are gradually taking over ownership of this country. China is NOT socialist or communist anymore, despite what you see or hear. China wrote the book on capitalism thousands of years ago and they're back, baby. Communism was a 50-year experiment and died with Mao. China is not a democracy yet because they can't be. There is too much disparity between the haves and have-nots. If China didn't rule with an iron fist, 800 million people from the country would overwhelm and destroy the growing economies in the cities. If China didn't implement population controls, 10s of millions of people would starve every year. So it's different.

China is doing two things that this country should pay very close attention to:

1) China is investing HEAVILY in world class education. We used to, but we aren't anymore. We've delegated that to local governments who are all migrating towards minimum spending on education. That's a disaster for America, IMHO. If the football coach makes more money than a teacher or professor, we know our priorities are broken. If the drill team has a bigger budget than the science club, ditto.

2) China doesn't provide welfare, China provides jobs. Even if it is a make-work job, China gets people off their asses if they want support from the state. We, on the other hand, provide incentives for those living on hand-outs to keep doing so.

I think many of us here share similar frustrations and we should shed our party biases and just talk about the broken shit that needs fixing.

.....round 'em up and shoot 'em all. No, wait, that might cost some money - give it a couple of years and just allow "drive-by's" the places they're begging. No, that won't be very efficient - perhaps issuing tags or stamps and having it seasonal could raise funding for cremation expenses. Then, when all of "them" have been eliminated, let's lower the minimum wage and restock the pool.

Anyone remember when the t-baggers weren't affiliated with the republicans?

Does anyone remember that ( sexy bitch) Palin quit ... That's right.. QUIT her post as gov to pursue personal opportunities ? And people seriously consider her to be a viable candidate? WTF ? I think the last thing we need in office is a quitter. Hypocrites and homophones and embezzlers are fine... But to quit?

I think it's funny that the public has such a short term memory. It's as if the bush years never existed and all of the problems happened on election day 2008.

I'm not saying the guy is perfect. I'm not saying his policies are what I agree with. What I am saying is that the guy was the lesser of two evils at the time and certainly the better choice to try to correct Carl roves' er, Dick Cheney .... Doh!! I mean George jrs' administrative bumblings.

Seriously, 8 years of big business and billionaire free for all and repubs and t baggers expect an economy
As big and slow as ours to slam on the brakes and do a 180 in 2 years... Get fucking real. Stopping the massive hemmoraging was impressive enough.
Read the jobs report. Jobs ARE bein created. Sure, not as fast as some would like, but job creation is happening. If you remember the run up to the election... We were losing jobs at an unprecedented rate. Remember that when people start fawning over the lost GWB jr.

Jr. And his gang were responsible
For this mess . Yes dems had control of the house.. But if you remember. They did not just simply kiss his ring. It
Is my assertion that had we not been attacked in 9/11 ... He wouldn't have had a second term.

For gods sake.. The man bankrupted his personal companies and took money from bin ladens cousin well before he was ever in elected office. Didn't do so well with his oversight of the rangers either. He was a "d" student in college. He skipped out of the war to help on a campaign for his dads buddy... Yeah. Stand up guy. Is anyone but me NOT surprised that he was able to cause the damage to our economy in his stint as commander in chief?

All I am saying is that people would do good to look back a few years and get a real good perspective on how we got into this mess ..

Oh fox news..... Not really
The news. FYI .

Anyone remember when the t-baggers weren't affiliated with the republicans?

Does anyone remember that ( sexy bitch) Palin quit ... That's right.. QUIT her post as gov to pursue personal opportunities ? And people seriously consider her to be a viable candidate? WTF ? I think the last thing we need in office is a quitter. Hypocrites and homophones and embezzlers are fine... But to quit?

I think it's funny that the public has such a short term memory. It's as if the bush years never existed and all of the problems happened on election day 2008.

I'm not saying the guy is perfect. I'm not saying his policies are what I agree with. What I am saying is that the guy was the lesser of two evils at the time and certainly the better choice to try to correct Carl roves' er, Dick Cheney .... Doh!! I mean George jrs' administrative bumblings.

Seriously, 8 years of big business and billionaire free for all and repubs and t baggers expect an economy
As big and slow as ours to slam on the brakes and do a 180 in 2 years... Get fucking real. Stopping the massive hemmoraging was impressive enough.
Read the jobs report. Jobs ARE bein created. Sure, not as fast as some would like, but job creation is happening. If you remember the run up to the election... We were losing jobs at an unprecedented rate. Remember that when people start fawning over the lost GWB jr.

Jr. And his gang were responsible
For this mess . Yes dems had control of the house.. But if you remember. They did not just simply kiss his ring. It
Is my assertion that had we not been attacked in 9/11 ... He wouldn't have had a second term.

For gods sake.. The man bankrupted his personal companies and took money from bin ladens cousin well before he was ever in elected office. Didn't do so well with his oversight of the rangers either. He was a "d" student in college. He skipped out of the war to help on a campaign for his dads buddy... Yeah. Stand up guy. Is anyone but me NOT surprised that he was able to cause the damage to our economy in his stint as commander in chief?

All I am saying is that people would do good to look back a few years and get a real good perspective on how we got into this mess ..

Oh fox news..... Not really
The news. FYI . Originally Posted by In6ub9

+100%

It feels good to not be the only one who remembers this shit.
If you make millions... You've made it from the backs of others. Period.

Posters and people who think like In6ub9 are the reason there is a problem. Partisan. He makes posts like these and thinks when people are talking about O'Donnell we mean Rosie. Blame, blame, blame... BUT only one party. Christ, people on both sides are fucking responsible. GWB didn't de-regulate the banking industry. GWB didn't create the government subsidy known as Fannie Mae. Posts with pure fiction are made with people nodding their head in agreement.

If you think it is ONE party or the other that is the problem I am sorry but you are a lost cause. You can't be reasoned with, you can't be debated. The hatred for the others and their ideas is amazing. The ignorance of the facts is amazing. The ability to take false information and run with it is amazing.

This is why polictics are typically not allowed here. It goes from debates about ideas to rants about ideology where no one is willing to listen to the other.

It feels good to not be the only one who remembers this shit.
If you make millions... You've made it from the backs of others. Period. Originally Posted by In6ub9

Yup, that about sums it up. No one could actually make millions from a good idea or by working hard. It MUST be because someone else suffered.

Someone name ANY Federal Law 1) primarily sponsored by a Republican and 2) passed by a vote which included a majority of Republicans in a Republican controlled Congress which did ANY of the following:

1) Ended Child Labor
2) Allowed all American citizens to vote
3) Restricted or elimated business Monoplies and Trusts
4) Established minimum sanitation/purity requirements for foods and/or prescription drugs
5) Restricted financial or advertising practices based on misrepresentation of facts

Hint: Every one of those landmark pieces of legislation were vigorously opposed as being either a restriction of freedom, anti-business, socialistic or Unconstitutional.

Is the silence deafening?

Randy,

Without looking, how many of those areas are actually under the purview of the FEDERAL government as ALLOWED by the US Constitution no matter how well intentioned and meritorious they may seem?

Can you please find me the part of the US Constitution that grants the power of the FEDERAL government to be involved on those issues? Or is the sad truth that the Tea Party and other Constitutionalists have been complaining about for decades even more apparent?

Well,

All I could find was a history of congressional control starting with the 34th congress. So, according to Randy, any congress not controlled by republicans has no merit to his argument. Any congress fully controlled by republicans (did you mean both chambers Randy?) is the only ones we can consider for his search. If the chambers are split we cannot consider those either, or can we Randy?

What about if a majority of republicans in office voted for said legislation but they weren't the majority in the particular chamber? What if they were a minority in the house but a majority of those voted yet there were actually a majority in the senate. Does that count or not count?

Or did you not think anyone would actually put any thought into your challenge?

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

Like I said, partisan. No one from the opposing party ever can do anything right. Then you have people painting with a broad brush and everyone assumes they are factually accurate.

LL, guess all of those areas need to be ignored because they wound up as federal. The Supreme Court may differ with you just a tad on that. We don't live in 1776, 1787, 1861, 1875, 1929, 1954, 1967, or 1984 - but to look at how things got handled during those tiimes is useful. For example, Child Labor Laws began to be passed at the state level in 1824 (Massachusetts, go figure - I'm sure the good people of Mississippi thought they were out of their mind) and didn't become federal until 1935.

BF, just go back to when Truman proposed integrating the Armed Forces and swap "gay" with "colored" or "Negro" in the arguments against it - the cadence never misses a beat. Taft-Hartley is a good example of how an existing law (the Wagner Act) was modified towards a more conservateve thrust because BOTH sides of the aisle made it happen - some Dems who voted against the law actually voted to override Truman's veto of it. You're absolutely correct about the broad brush not providing detail. A lot of politics start out as "us vs them" until a "we" can be found. It's messy but that's how it's set up and neither extreme ever gets what it wants and, hopefully, never will.