Donations up Front ???

I think it's just common courtesy to lay the money down when you arrive. If you are that nervous about her ripping you off, you didn't do enough homework to begin with. On our end it is quite different, as a guy can have 10 solid references then decide to be a jerk.

I don't get rude if they don't leave it where I state it should be left, I just don't do a thing. I usually say, "The bathroom is down the hall so you can freshen up" and if they don't take the hint, that's the end of the date.

I have never really had an issue, but twice I have been ripped off in another state for being so afraid to offend. Lesson learned and if a guy can't see the point in paying before, I don't need to see him.

I am sure it's different when you know a guy from the boards and he has proven to be true, but you just never know...not with 100 percent certainty. Guys can be good as gold to a hundred providers, then rape and kill 101.

Not to mention the real annoyance is having sex THEN being paid. It pretty much screams "I won't pay you until I know I am getting some", which defeats the whole being paid for time only theory. How can you claim to be paid for time if you are not paid until you have sex? Not that it really matters with LE, but when a guy walks in and drops the money before anything illegal takes place, it just makes the whole situation more comfortable. A judge may laugh his azz off at you, but at least you can say you were only paid for time, and you were just so attracted to the guy that you could not resist.

Yes, London a judge would laugh his ass off at that lame attempt to save oneself, any lawyer worth.02 would not even allow you to say it.

Each one of us has to do what is best for that person, I understand wanting to be paid up front, but here is what happens at times when I have done that, sub par performance, rush job, answers phone, txting while on my time, etc. etc. While I did get some it certainly was not of the caliber I am paying for. And that to me is a rip off. And the scenario with ladies is the same a lady could have a great reputation and plenty of fantastic reviews and still give sub par performance, who knows maybe she is not that into me at the time, IDK. It does not matter I am the paying customer and for me paying after seems to work best, just me. If a lady really thinks I am going to rip her off she has not done her homework. I also believe in business the seller should always take the risk not the consumer or consuimers will start to go elsewhere, just me. I know I take risks in the clients I chose and sometimes I get burned, all a part of business IMHO.

Ok so by that theory of sub-par performance, texting, her basically sucking, you would not pay after she had sex with you? If you would still pay the full fee, what's the difference if you pay upfront or not? If you would not pay a girl who just had sex with you, then you would be ripping her off. Her service still sucked and you did in fact go all the way with her. It's common etiquette in the escort world not to discuss or even mention it, which is why most men leave the money upfront.

How many times has a guy just "assumed" a rate was 100 less than it actually is when paying after I wonder...then it's too late.

If it's someone I have met with before I don't care when he pays, but on a first time basis yes it is considerate and normally required to pay upfront. I highly doubt her performance had anything to do with you paying ahead of time, but I would be a hell of a lot more concerned with my patron if I didn't have the "Crap I hope he does not rip me off" in the back of my mind the whole time.

I have had guys literally wait until they were dressed and walking out of the door, who all of sudden remember "Oh wow I have to pay."

Just because you are one of the good guys, does not mean we should take those risks for everyone because it is part of the biz...are you kidding me? Hell if that's the case, why screen lol.

Why does it say on about 99 percent of ladies' websites to "Place the donation in plain site within the first 5 min." if it's not the norm? I think it's rude to expect a girl to perform the entire time in good spirits not knowing if she will even be compensated...not everyone knows your reputation. I have never had a problem with a guy getting pissy about the donation upfront...it's there in plain sight what most ladies require before a meeting will commerce. If he has an issue with it, he can very well go to someone a bit more naive.

I do outcalls only and usually have my donation fanned out and visible under the lamp. Every reputable lady I saw took the donation after the appointment. The ones that took it prior always gave shitty subpar service. So for me most times through my experiences its a red flag for the reputable ladies and even more so for unreviewed backpage ladies.

Ultimately even if her service lacks she will be paid. So I understand what you are referring to london in that aspect. Only can post an honest review and sulk in that case.

But if I book an overnight and the lady acts as if shes allergic to BCD activiries that first hour,Ill gladly pay that rate and call someone else.....OR she is way too adamant about getting a stack of greenbacks 1st....she can leave or trust her screening and my checked in name to my hotel, and loosen up!

Are you a cop? she says......Ummm no but if you have any doubt just leave.

With all safeguards in place like the confirmation, hes safe call,the last thing I want is more scrutiny.

There are good arguments on both sides of the issue. Frankly, I am not concerned with what the "norm" is, I only know what works for me. In no way am I saying anyone should change their "norm." I am just stating what works for me. Whether or not the lady knows my reputation is not my issue, if she insists on being paid up front, I leave, I take your suggestion London and go elsewhere. There is not a reputable lady on this board that does not allow me to pay when done, so I have no worries. The difference I have experienced in paying before hand and afterward is attitude and performance, sometimes once a lady has her $$$$ she is ready for me to leave and I can feel it in her demeanor and attitude and we have not even touched each other yet.

I agree gimme that the ladies that are concerned with the $$$ upfront are the ones that just are not as much fun, just my experience. Yes the subpar performing lady gets paid anyway, for me she just does not get a return visit.

I have never touched the donation but feel more secure when it's there. I can tell you from experience that if it's NOT...that's when my performance will be slim to none, not the other way around. If I don't know a guy, I am nervous already so why add to that by wondering the whole time if he is going to stiff me? If a girl's performance is lack luster, it's because maybe she does not care one way or the other....when the money is paid has nothing to do with it.

I saw a guy in TN who had 8 references all of whom said he was a doll. He was rough, conceited, and shorted me $100 in the envelope....my bad for not checking it. Had it been an honest mistake he would have made an attempt to make it up....never happened. He claimed he thought the rate was 3....there ya go. Lesson learned, and this is not the first time it has happened.

Had a few bad apples not spoiled things it would not be such a huge issue, but you try being ripped off more than once and see if you don't change your methods. Whether or not you get the service you wanted, you are still without the money. You planned to spend it anyway...it's not like that on our end.

So you said the bad performer still gets paid, and the SAME amount. I don't see the difference then. Most guys understand how hard it is to work as a provider and even though they may not rip us off, they can understand why we have to be careful.

I run my business as a professional just as 99% of other women do. I don't worry about regular clients, but I am not stupid enough to take the risk on some newbie I have never met before...you see what happens when I do lol.

I totally agree with London.

My entire job is a risk. So, to provide my ILLEGAL service, I am doing that already. I seriously don't agree with applying standard business practices and ethics to prostitution.

I get what you're saying Outdoorsman. But, I don't agree that the time you paid had anything to do with a woman's performance.

I personally hide my phone and turn it on silent once a gentleman has placed his donation in a visible place. I don't touch it, but it's comforting to know it's there on the first meeting when I am extremely nervous myself-- I've been doing this two years (on and off), and I still get nervous. That doesn't EVER go away.

Most men really don't mind the practice as it is a norm. Some even get worried about me forgetting to have asked-- I've been asked if I was "new" a few times because of it.

If it doesn't work for you and ladies are ok with that, keep doing it.

I 99% of the time have incall sessions, I will not do a incall in a motel! It has to be a hotel "idk why just makes me feel safer" with that said when I enter the room I lay my keys an a envalope some where in plain sight! Never just the money only once has the lady counted it first then bitched because it was all in 10 dollar bills? I can't help it if that is what the ATM spit out jezzz! An the service was less than wonderful! But I can see points both was now there are several providers I have saw many times they know me I know them in that case it is never an issue some times I pay up front some times after! But in this cases I know she is not LE an she knows she will get paid + tip! Because if they are not worth a tip they are not worth seeing more than once anyway! Just my .02

The one thing I think all of us agree on, is we do not like the feeling when we get ripped off. We each take our own steps to attempt to prevent being ripped off in the future, but it seems no matter what it still happens at times. Go figure.

I 99% of the time have incall sessions, I will not do a incall in a motel! It has to be a hotel "idk why just makes me feel safer" with that said when I enter the room I lay my keys an a envalope some where in plain sight! Never just the money only once has the lady counted it first then bitched because it was all in 10 dollar bills? I can't help it if that is what the ATM spit out jezzz! An the service was less than wonderful! But I can see points both was now there are several providers I have saw many times they know me I know them in that case it is never an issue some times I pay up front some times after! But in this cases I know she is not LE an she knows she will get paid + tip! Because if they are not worth a tip they are not worth seeing more than once anyway! Just my .02 Originally Posted by LSU FAN

That's all I am saying lol. If you know and trust the person, it is not mandatory they leave it because you know you are getting it. First timers...never!

There are good arguments on both sides of the issue. Frankly, I am not concerned with what the "norm" is, I only know what works for me. In no way am I saying anyone should change their "norm." I am just stating what works for me. Whether or not the lady knows my reputation is not my issue, if she insists on being paid up front, I leave, I take your suggestion London and go elsewhere. There is not a reputable lady on this board that does not allow me to pay when done, so I have no worries. The difference I have experienced in paying before hand and afterward is attitude and performance, sometimes once a lady has her $$$$ she is ready for me to leave and I can feel it in her demeanor and attitude and we have not even touched each other yet.

I agree gimme that the ladies that are concerned with the $$$ upfront are the ones that just are not as much fun, just my experience. Yes the subpar performing lady gets paid anyway, for me she just does not get a return visit. Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

Oh honey...better be at the next meet and greet otherwise you and I will never meet - cause you would be walking out the door. I really could care less what anyone's reputation is or isn't.

If I say: Have it in plain sight upon my arrival or place it in plain sight when you arrive.

then I pretty much mean it.

I don't ask. I shouldn't have to ask a grown man to take care of his business. I may hint politely then it's "Time to go!" No discussion. We're done. I get sometimes people are nervous but hell! I don't bite (okay that's a lie).

Subpar?? If I'm concerned about my business then I'm no good?? Ugh! Consider yourself popped upside the head! (and be thankful I'm that lenient with you!)

(hee hee this is post #1,200. I just couldn't stop at 1.199)

We may never meet babee and that's okay. I still think you are a great lady! I like your demeanor and your attitude.

I have every plan on being at the next meet and greet so great we will see each other if you come as well!!! I look forward to it. I can respect that each lady has to run their business their own way.

Some ladies believe it or not live for the moment and once they are paid the bubbly spirit stops, the upbeatness, flirtations, the experience stops, the cell phone comes out of the purse, and it becomes very mechanical and rushed, that has been my experience and not with all ladies, just like I am sure only a small percentage of men have attmepted to rip you ladies off, only a small percentage of ladies have done this to me. If you still give stellar service after being paid nothing to worry about, a few ladies have not done that with me and I am very easy going and tolerant.

Most of you make total sense to me, even if I disagree. So yes, there are good reasons on both sides. To me, the following applies:

(1) Babee's avatar is still hot as hell, and I get excited every time I see it.

(2) I prefer that the rate is paid upfront in the sense that he should place it in plain view so I know its there. I don't actually pick it up until he's ready to go. At the beginning, I haven't done anything, so I don't expect to be paid yet...you just got here!

(3) If I am traveling to you or with you, I (and only I) will book my flight. You can simply forward the amount for that, and I will book it and meet you at the airport. I can't and don't budge on that either. I don't want to know extra things about you, and I certainly don't need to disclose extra things about me. That includes my name and other identifying details.

(4) If the lady is taking the 'donation' ahead of time, and then performing in a sub-par manner...Booooo, she blows (and not in a good way). It should be motivation, NOT a dampener.

(5) I don't care if you pay in advance of the session, or after its over. A lady should never be on her phone texting, etc during the time you've paid for. I call my safe person, let him know where I am and when I'm going to be done, and then the phone is off. If the gentleman wants to extend his time, THEN the phone goes back on to call and alert Mr. Security friend that I'll be late. Otherwise, everyone I need to talk to is right next to me.

(6) Tips are not a concern, but I did like the idea of bringing one envelope (or whatever) with the required about, and then another with a tip in case you feel the spirit. LOL. That way, no one is obligated to anything more than promised AND its not a distraction.

(6.1) I'd prepay to get Babee to come down here and bite ME!

quote--Some ladies believe it or not live for the moment and once they are paid the bubbly spirit stops, the upbeatness, flirtations, the experience stops, the cell phone comes out of the purse, and it becomes very mechanical and rushed, that has been my experience and not with all ladies, just like I am sure only a small percentage of men have attmepted to rip you ladies off, only a small percentage of ladies have done this to me. If you still give stellar service after being paid nothing to worry about, a few ladies have not done that with me and I am very easy going and tolerant.

Good point sugar!
that is NO way for a "real" lady to do business!! She should be spanked!!{babee wanna help me????}...lol!