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I have a pretty good sense of humor. But there was nothing humorous in your post. I don't really care much what is going on in Houston, I live Dallas and Albany NY. I keep up with the areas I play in. People are disrespectful all over the world, just as you were disrespectful to me when I brought up your signature line. Does that mean I should have an attitude towards you? No, hell no! Some folks take themselves way too seriously.
As I said to another fella the other day, there is no animosity or attitude in my words, we could be sitting, having this conversation over drinks.

If you felt like I attacked you, please accept my apology. That was not my intention. Originally Posted by rew1256

My post was not humorous. You mean my signature line? I think it's pretty funny-as do many. I was not disrespectful towards you at all. Saying you have no sense of humor, which is JMO of course, was in no way disrespectful. My signature line is a JOKE. I see you didn't mention it was disrespectful to women, did you?

Don't read too much into it. Now back to the regularly scheduled program.

My post was not humorous. You mean my signature line? I think it's pretty funny-as do many. I was not disrespectful towards you at all. Saying you have no sense of humor, which is JMO of course, was in no way disrespectful. My signature line is a JOKE. I see you didn't mention it was disrespectful to women, did you?

Don't read too much into it. Now back to the regularly scheduled program. Originally Posted by hotlips_houlihan

Thank you for the pm. What we had was a failure to communicate. I thought you were saying I was stupid, stay out of the conversation and you thought... I think the line is funny too. I just used it as an example of respect.

I agree, I am making popcorn now.

One doesn't have to go to Houston to see examples of appalling behavior and disrespect towards women and providers. Unfortunately, we have many examples in Dallas as well. Of course, we also have examples of providers treating men poorly. Neither is right and neither is excusable.

I certainly believe in treating women with respect. But respect every woman in EVERY circumstance?

Do I respect the woman who pimps out her 14 year-old daughter to feed her drug habit? No.
Do I respect the mother who shakes her baby so hard that she kills it because it was crying while she was trying to Facebook? No.
Do I respect the mother and grandmother who try to sell a baby for $80,000? No.
Do I respect the provider who teams up with her boyfriend to rob a guy? No.
Do I respect the provider who works with her boyfriend/pimp to imprison a young lady and force her to do appointments? No.

These are real and recent examples. So, while most women and providers deserve our respect (and I applaud the effort to gain greater respect for them), there are some who do not.

Thank you for the pm. What we had was a failure to communicate. I thought you were saying I was stupid, stay out of the conversation and you thought... I think the line is funny too. I just used it as an example of respect.

I agree, I am making popcorn now. Originally Posted by rew1256

Since this discussion is based on semantics, lets be clear, and not confuse manners with respect.

I give unknown people the benefit of the doubt and show them manners.

I respect their rights, as these are not an unknown.

I can also respect other parts of the individual, without respecting the whole. For example, I can respect their talent, while still judging them as a shitty human being.

For an individual to gain my respect as a person, it must be earned over time as they reveal their true character. That goes for men, women, children, and has little to do with occupation.

Pulling anyone from in front of a truck has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with values.

In all the instances above, I'd have no problem switching the word "value" for "respect". Perhaps they are the same thing, or perhaps they go hand in hand, but to say that one has nothing to do with the other, in any instance, doesn't work for me.

For the most part, it doesn't matter who's life it is. I'll pull someone from in front of a truck because I respect (or value?) human life.

Works the same either way to me.

I give respect in all circumstances except one, when someone blatantly attempts to be hurtful. Those types deserve no respect, men or women. If you cross that line with me it's on. So far, there has been only one young lady to ever go that far.

The male assholes, unfortunately, tend to grow on trees.

I'll not vote in the poll because it's either ambiguous or an inappropriate (in my opinion) standard. But if you want to assess or evaluate my attitude:

Except in extreme circumstances, I will strive to recognize everyone's autonomy and dignity as a human being, and realize that this implies a minimum standard of how I interact with them. For example, I will strive to remember that I do not have the right to impose my values on them, merely the decision whether to interact with them if our values differ.

I will always have opinions about various aspects of a person (intelligence, character, ability to express themselves clearly, personality, etc.), in addition to an overall opinion of the person. There will be escorts of whom I have a negative opinion (in whole or in part) and clients of whom I have a negative opinion (in whole or in part). There will be clients of whom I have a positive opinion and escorts of whom I have a positive opinion. (I'm a curmudgeon, so the negative opinions will vastly outnumber the positive opinions. Deal with it.) I will try to base those opinions on observations rather than assumptions.

I will try to remember that in some instances, negative opinions represent a difference in values rather than a moral failing by that person. I will try to remember that expressing a negative opinion: (a) is best done by focusing on behavior rather than making it personal; (b) can be done calmly and tactfully; and (c) need not be expressed publicly at all if doing so would inflame passions or hurt feelings without serving any positive purpose. I will try to remember, in the context of negative opinions of others, that I am far from perfect myself and temper my disapproval of others with that knowledge.

I will try not to base my opinion of a person on their race, age, religion, politics, or any of a number of other irrelevant (for purposes of "respect" characteristics -- including gender and their participation in P4P, whether as an escort or a client. Note that this also implies that I will try not to apply different standards -- including condescension (or "soft bigotry of low expectations") toward the ladies by "forgiving" behavior by them that I would not "forgive" by another. (That applies not only to behavior but also capabilities.) I will try to be an "equal opportunity" curmudgeon; for example, considering comments foolish/inarticulate or insightful based on the comment rather than the gender or profession of the person who made them.

In all of the above, I will try but often fail miserably. But I will try.

I don't know if there's anyone whom I "respect" in all circumstances. Ladies who want unquestioning acceptance won't receive it from me, and neither will clients. Many (whether the ladies or the clients) may consider me an overly stern, pain in the ass, unforgiving, elitist, unpleasant curmudgeon. And they're probably right. Perhaps I should consider myself a "No" vote?

I'm with you, Chevalier, although I doubt I would have taken the time to state it so eloquently.

I still think the original post is a time waster. What's next...we all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya?"

...I don't know if there's anyone whom I "respect" in all circumstances. Ladies who want unquestioning acceptance won't receive it from me, and neither will clients. Many (whether the ladies or the clients) may consider me an overly stern, pain in the ass, unforgiving, elitist, unpleasant curmudgeon. And they're probably right. Perhaps I should consider myself a "No" vote? Originally Posted by Chevalier

I guess I'll have to be a 'not gonna vote in this thing' either. I can respect anyone who actually makes an effort to be respectful. I do not consider the women who choose to perform this line of work as disrespectful.

The vote is ambiguous in that respect is a two-way street. The gentlemen hobbiest deserves just as much respect as the women. IMHO, it's disrespectful to expect something out of the hobbiest that isn't expected of the provider.

I've met a lot of people in my short lived life and no one deserves more respect than a woman who is comfortable enough in her own skin to provide companionship to us hobbiests. I will respect all women I contact, however the response I receive will dictate how I perceive her in the future and whether or not I will continue contact.

To all the ladies I have seen, thank you from the bottom of my heart for the companionship you have provided. Of the few women I have seen, I try to follow up after every meeting to let her know how much I appreciate her companionship and of those encounters only once has a woman ever offered the same acknowledgement. So I will provide a special thanks to Lexy who deserves more than my respect.

See...this is why I find this so fascinating...the discussions are deep and meaningful. Many thanks everyone. I'll chime in at some point on the reasoning for the poll...sorry for the ambiguity but I felt that to be more specific would create too much specificity. Bottom line, how do you proceed in life on a day by day basis. That is the spirit of the poll.

Each city as well as National has its own perspective. Fun to watch.

Many thanks to all who've express in this thread.

See...this is why I find this so fascinating...the discussions are deep and meaningful. Many thanks everyone. I'll chime in at some point on the reasoning for the poll...sorry for the ambiguity but I felt that to be more specific would create too much specificity. Bottom line, how do you proceed in life on a day by day basis. That is the spirit of the poll.

Each city as well as National has its own perspective. Fun to watch.

Many thanks to all who've express in this thread. Originally Posted by TheDogger

ZZZZZZZ... this is a dumb thread

ZZZZZZZ... this is a dumb thread Originally Posted by Monkeypaw

Why, because your actions are the basis for the discussion?

It's truly a shame that grown individuals are incapable of showing one of the most basic social skills such as, respect. Everyone is actually entitled to some basic respect, but many here have proven to have little or no self respect. Until they are able to achieve this, then they will continue to be disrespectful of others.

Those who have little or no self respect can be hard to reason with on this or any other subject. If they were truly able to see this about themselves, there would be way less turmoil on this board, or for that matter, out in the world.

I do have at least a modicum of self respect and try really hard to show others respect. Sometimes it can be a bit challenging with some of the comments and actions I've witnessed on this board, and I admit to failing on occasion. My bad.

As has been said.....Do Unto Others......

Everyone is actually entitled to some basic respect,... Originally Posted by M A X

Everyone? Are you kidding? I can think of a boat load of scumbags that don't deserve any respect. In fact, if they got what they truely deserve they would no longer be with us. Just saying. Making all encompassing statements like this is pretty ridiculous.

Everyone? Are you kidding? I can think of a boat load of scumbags that don't deserve any respect. In fact, if they got what they truely deserve they would no longer be with us. Just saying. Making all encompassing statements like this is pretty ridiculous. Originally Posted by Budman

I said BASIC respect, not idol worship...LOL Obviously those you speak of have proven to not deserve it, at least in your eyes, already. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, no matter how ridiculous you may think it is.