short time rant

thank you for this I do not mind the endings at all I am sweet and nice the whole time I am in session I do not work in a spa because they pay barely 40/60 cut I do not mind providing services if I am paid for them I am not being spoiled I have been in this for quite some time I am just posting this to have dialogue to see if A) some one else has the same problems B) to see if there are ways to improve my business
and I agree a tip is a extra gift but when your working how much do you charge ...do you want to provide fs for 120 probably not
and I am not telling anyone I do or do not need them I am just discussing rates and hygiene But maybe since you have it all figured out maybe you should write it down such wisdom should be shared Originally Posted by RebeccaHillcroft

I get that you're just frustrated, but one of the best and hardest lessons I ever learned was to take good advice when given, no matter who from or how it was presented. I didn't say what I said to be mean, I just didn't sugar coat it for you. You're a grown woman who came here with complaints and problems and I offered you advice. You're a professional, not my friend, and you can take or leave anything I say, but that's entirely dependent on how smart you are and how much you're willing to let your pride get in the way of your money.

I DO have a lot figured out. I DO share that information with other ladies. I DON'T come here complaining about how my clients expect too much for too little. That's on you. If you're letting them "expect" FS for $120, that's entirely your fault. Something in your marketing or demeanor lets them know that you will let them get away with this behavior. Figure out what it is and change it.

Learn to put your foot down about anything he doesn't do correctly. If he comes out of the shower and didn't use soap and smells just as bad or worse, then back into the shower he goes until he learns to bathe properly. All on his time. He knew he was coming to have someone touch all over his body. It's not too much to ask him to be clean. Same for bad breath. Either he cleans it up, or no kisses. If he starts trying to reach for activities not offered at what he paid, you take a literal step back and with an enthusiastic smile let him know that you'd love upgrade his service for $X. Get the money before performing the activities. If he doesn't want to pay, he doesn't get to play. So sad.

YOU are in charge in that room. Don't you forget that, and don't ever let them forget it, either. Your clients WANT to be good clients, so help them understand how to achieve that. If they don't WANT to be good clients, then they shouldn't be YOUR clients.

Hope it gets better.

Let's shout out a whopping HUGE thank you to the GOOD GUYS out there. Consider yourselves kissed on the body parts of your choice!
Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I 2ND THAT...

useless fat threAD

Well you tell a man not to take a shit at the incall, then get mad when they gotta squeeze their cheeks so together so hard you get a shit streak. Make up your minds ladies.

*J/K

Thanks ladies for all your constructive criticism

I agree with Venus. You should never be dealing with bad hygiene. Throw him in a shower. Jump in with him and wash him if you must. And yes, that comes out of his time. If he has bad breath, no kissing, and tell him why. Be nice, but firm and honest. Sometimes guys really just don't know, because no one ever told them. And don't go ranting about how you don't get tipped. You charge what you charge. If it isn't enough for you, raise your rates. You are not a tip earner. You don't live off of your tips like a waitress. A tip is a courtesy, a gift, from a well-satisfied customer. And certainly don't come here telling these guys how much you don't need them. You need them as much or more than they need you. Guys like to pay for SWEET ladies. They can get a lecture at home. And if you think $120/hr for JUST the massage is fair and reasonable, why don't you just go work at a spa and make that money all day long with no happy endings to worry about? That $120 absolutely IS the price for the entire performance, including the happy ending. Stop being spoiled and handle your business. We make a LOT of money in this business for less effort than most careers. Enjoy it, appreciate it, and don't alienate your client base by making them feel like you're not going to be the greatest, sweetest, most wonderful person they've ever met. Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

Nobody said whores were suppose to be sweet, fucktards made that shit up. Be fair and know how to fuck.

but what do I know im just a hooker Originally Posted by Dorthy_Monroe

With a head like Einstein.

Nobody said whores were suppose to be sweet, fucktards made that shit up. Be fair and know how to fuck, post taint photos. Originally Posted by Hottentot Venus

Completed the thought.

I think part of the issue may be simple misunderstanding; providers have to be crystal clear when advertising an FBSM that it DOES NOT entail anything that could be construed as a happy ending. Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

I'm not so sure about that. I can't speak for any other mongers here, but if I schedule a 1 Hr (1/2 Hr isn't long enough for a good massage IMO) FBSM, I'm assuming there is a L1 HE. Nothing more, nothing less is expected or assumed. Well, the quality of the massage is important to me as well. Nor do I feel a tip should be required for a HJ HE and a decent massage at 120/Hr unless it is warranted after services are provided and feel it was over the top good. But, I'd guess that the majority of us mongers are expecting a L1 HE when it comes to a FBSM. Otherwise, advertise just a FBM and leave the Sensual part out of it. If I only wanted a FBM by a legit LMT I wouldn't be looking for it here.

I love Dorothy Monroe. Lmao.

Nobody said whores were suppose to be sweet, fucktards made that shit up. Be fair and know how to fuck. Originally Posted by Hottentot Venus

Amen To That

With a head like Einstein. Originally Posted by Out_of_Bounds

True But It's Hocos Pocus Now lol New Year New Me New Slogan Haha jk Dork

I love Dorothy Monroe. Lmao. Originally Posted by Kammye

Just Being Straight Up... Lol

FBSM On Backpage Is Expected To Have A Happy Ending ( Hand Job ) & Whoever Thinks Otherwise Has Never Been A Body Rub Provider... Ijs

Now if you give them FS & Don't Charge Extra Then That's Your Fault...

Be honest with yourself if most men you see off BP are extra activities then your massage isn't of good quality..

You Can't expect to be on eccie as a fs provider and have different rates and charge $120 on BP & give them FS at a lower rate men talk & they will go see you off BP trust me this isn't my first rodeo... You have to keep it separated and be persistent with what activities you do off FBSM & ECCIE or you will always be mad & out smarted by fucktards..