San Antonio / Austin / Dallas prostitution ring busted

Is this something to worry about for anyone with the bad judgement to use this agency?
Anyone recall an agency being busted in the past? has there ever been any hobbiests that have been investigated or arrested? Originally Posted by peaceomind

A few years back "Executive" out of SA was raided and a great many clients were shitting bricks.
In the media reports there were cops trying to scare the crap out of mongers by saying things like "We have a great many names of clients and these clients have good reason to be very nervous right about now".

Fast forward a few years and "Crickets". Nothing ever came of it.

That's not to say this case won't be different especially considering they are referring to the girls as victims.

It just comes down to local elections and who might want to use this info as a tool for conservative brownie points.

Update: http://www.kvue.com/story/news/natio...menu/31975669/

Article names the agency, outlines the bust. Pretty much as most of us speculated : girls get busted, claim pimp had been forcing them.

doesn't seem like much can be done off a text without specific info on it. you would think it would have to be getting nabbed on the spot like the providers.
I haven't seen anything in the past about hobby guys getting rounded up or called out

Here's a simple but obvious question no one seems to be addressing.

How exactly does one man alone without a crew force 30 women into prostitution and keep them there against their will through fear and intimidation.

He wasn't even all that big or tough looking. These were educated girls.

5 pissed off women banded together would take down most any man without much effort. 10 pissed off women would scare the shit out of any man. This guy wasn't much to look at in terms of a fearful image.

How the hell does he by himself manage to keep 30 women against their will? Charles Manson didn't even have that kind of power.

This makes zero sense to me.

First off they have so much to prove in order to get you on even for a mist, the big one is they have to prove that you actually saw a girl, offered to pay her for sex and that you were even there. A phone call is just not enough, why would they spend so much time on low end guys when they can go after the big guys. I just would not worry about it, but I agree just hang up. And I just don't believe all they are saying about him, now I don't know this guy but I have heard on several occasions that there was no beating or threats, I tend to believe that maybe threats, but just don't see physical abuse here. But wtf do I know, I am a little disappointed

First off they have so much to prove in order to get you on even for a mist, the big one is they have to prove that you actually saw a girl, offered to pay her for sex and that you were even there. A phone call is just not enough, why would they spend so much time on low end guys when they can go after the big guys. I just would not worry about it, but I agree just hang up. And I just don't believe all they are saying about him, now I don't know this guy but I have heard on several occasions that there was no beating or threats, I tend to believe that maybe threats, but just don't see physical abuse here. But wtf do I know, I am a little disappointed Originally Posted by Mata Leon

All anyone seems to think about is what they can prove in the long run.

Let's just consider that after 6 months they ended up with a couple of hundred videos of men arriving, going into a room, being there for 30 minutes to an hour and then leaving going back to their car and driving off

Girls are cooperating and have admitted their part and are being treated as "victims" something the press loves.

So one night in the future in a coordinated effort cars roll out of stations in Austin, San Antonio and Dallas to pick up a couple of hundred men suspected of participating in these activities that victimized these young ladies and camera crews come along for the ride.

Then in all three cities you see a media blitz and video, pictures and morning talk shows are abuzz for a few days with the names of all those guys that were previously filmed entering and leaving.

Forget the potential conviction because "they really have nothing" as so many are fond of saying.

Can your personal life, family life and career survive that "ride"? Can you afford the legal expenses involved?

They don't really need to prove a lot to end up with a shitload of plea bargains from guys that want it over as fast and quietly as possible.

All anyone seems to think about is what they can prove in the long run.

Let's just consider that after 6 months they ended up with a couple of hundred videos of men arriving, going into a room, being there for 30 minutes to an hour and then leaving going back to their car and driving off

Girls are cooperating and have admitted their part and are being treated as "victims" something the press loves.

So one night in the future in a coordinated effort cars roll out of stations in Austin, San Antonio and Dallas to pick up a couple of hundred men suspected of participating in these activities that victimized these young ladies and camera crews come along for the ride.

Then in all three cities you see a media blitz and video, pictures and morning talk shows are abuzz for a few days with the names of all those guys that were previously filmed entering and leaving.

Forget the potential conviction because "they really have nothing" as so many are fond of saying.

Can your personal life, family life and career survive that "ride"? Can you afford the legal expenses involved?

They don't really need to prove a lot to end up with a shitload of plea bargains from guys that want it over as fast and quietly as possible. Originally Posted by Cat in the Hat

That's basically what I said in the other thread.

The unreal confidence of some that they are untouchable or such small fish is bordering on silly.

That's basically what I said in the other thread.

The unreal confidence of some that they are untouchable or such small fish is bordering on silly. Originally Posted by Toyz

Silly?

No

Sheer Idiocy would be my descriptive term.

I'm guessing these girls are being categorized across the board as "Victims of intimidation" because they are local college girls whose parents would not tolerate any other version of the story.

To even imply that they were there to actually make quick easy money through sex would get some fairly influential people with attorneys pretty pissed off at the authorities. Let's just ignore the fact that these girls were all raised in a Kardasian/Hilton celebrity environment.

In 2015 what college girl would ever believe any CL or BP ad advertising "EZ quick money through modeling" doesn't clearly translate to some form of sex for cash?

Not defending this jerk but there is no way one man held 30 gullible college educated ladies captive in three cities.

With UT parents involved? You're damn straight they were victims of intimidation by the black pimp and you'd better not suggest otherwise.

Victim's don't get mug shots, criminal records or identities released to the press. This means respected family names don't get ruined.

Targeting the Johns runs the risk of credible testimony about how the girls didn't behave like unwilling participants coming out.
Best to blame the undeniably guilty black pimp and be done with it.

I'm guessing these girls are being categorized across the board as "Victims of intimidation" because they are local college girls whose parents would not tolerate any other version of the story.

To even imply that they were there to actually make quick easy money through sex would get some fairly influential people with attorneys pretty pissed off at the authorities. Let's just ignore the fact that these girls were all raised in a Kardasian/Hilton celebrity environment.

In 2015 what college girl would ever believe any CL or BP ad advertising "EZ quick money through modeling" doesn't clearly translate to some form of sex for cash?

Not defending this jerk but there is no way one man held 30 gullible college educated ladies captive in three cities.

With UT parents involved? You're damn straight they were victims of intimidation by the black pimp and you'd better not suggest otherwise.

Victim's don't get mug shots, criminal records or identities released to the press. This means respected family names don't get ruined.

Targeting the Johns runs the risk of credible testimony about how the girls didn't behave like unwilling participants coming out.
Best to blame the undeniably guilty black pimp and be done with it. Originally Posted by Windinhishair

"Black Pimps Matter"

( But then so do grotesquely overweight impotent middle aged while ones)

Here's a simple but obvious question no one seems to be addressing.

How exactly does one man alone without a crew force 30 women into prostitution and keep them there against their will through fear and intimidation.

He wasn't even all that big or tough looking. These were educated girls.

5 pissed off women banded together would take down most any man without much effort. 10 pissed off women would scare the shit out of any man. This guy wasn't much to look at in terms of a fearful image.

How the hell does he by himself manage to keep 30 women against their will? Charles Manson didn't even have that kind of power.

This makes zero sense to me. Originally Posted by Windinhishair

Of course he didn't do it alone. They're "Gregarious" animals, meaning they almost always live and travel in groups. The proper term for a group of this particular specie of wild animal is a "Troop" or Barrel"

Once again, remember, DON'T TALK TO THE COPS! without consulting a lawyer.

As for intimidation, it can happen. Maybe the ladies should have figured their own way out, but not everyone has their shit together enough to realize they don't have to put up with it.

Threats like "I know where you live, I know where your family is, I got friends who will help, the other girls are on my side, snitches get stitches, etc." may work on some of the young ladies. Pimps do intimidate the ladies even if they don't physically keep them tied up in the basement.

I suspect the intimidation was minimal here, and wouldn't be surprised if the ladies were coached into claiming intimidation.

Once again, remember, DON'T TALK TO THE COPS! without consulting a lawyer.

As for intimidation, it can happen. Maybe the ladies should have figured their own way out, but not everyone has their shit together enough to realize they don't have to put up with it.

Threats like "I know where you live, I know where your family is, I got friends who will help, the other girls are on my side, snitches get stitches, etc." may work on some of the young ladies. Pimps do intimidate the ladies even if they don't physically keep them tied up in the basement.

I suspect the intimidation was minimal here, and wouldn't be surprised if the ladies were coached into claiming intimidation. Originally Posted by GneissGuy

Or something so seemingly harmless as "I'll write a bad review & ruin your reputation" can have an intimidating effect on some girls when a well known pimp or helper uses it...

You're probably a small fish and they won't bother, but there are all sorts of bad laws that can be used to make it more than a misdemeanor.

They can also just be wanting to fuck with people and get publicity. You don't know what some self righteous backwoods hick prosecutor or politician may do. There are lots of "true believers" out there.

They can make more serious charges like underage, RICO, Mann Act, criminal conspiracy, etc. They may be bullshit charges, but they are a pain to deal with. The prosecutor gets his TV news soundbites, and nobody cares when the charges are dropped or dismissed later. There are all sorts of bizarre laws that can be stretched to fit. There are some disturbing "computer crime" laws in some states that can be stretched to cover almost anything sex related. There are also lots of vague "human trafficking" laws that could easily be stretched to apply, even if they don't hold up in court.

Even if they treat the girls as "victims" in this particular case, they don't always do that. Originally Posted by GneissGuy

I'm no small fish in this scenario as I didn't see any of the ladies and my only text to the pimp was to congratulate him on having a nice stable of girls.

That being said RICO wouldn't apply to a monger and it could only apply to the pimp IF he was a part of an organized crime syndicate and the Mann Act applies to the transport of girls across state lines for the purposes of sexual acts or for slavery. I understand you're trying to keep things in prospective but it seems more fear mongering than precaution.

Like I said, I never saw these girls and I only sent one text through a burner phone, which has long been deactivated, to text one message. Lesson here is do not use a personal phone to hobby or a monthly cell phone if a credit card is used to activate it or supply it with minutes.

I agree, and I reached out to a friend in law enforcement, in that exact department and I was told nothing will come of the text unless your a pimp