TIllerson did illegal business with Iran -- I suppose that's OK too.

Wow... this is one of the most ignorant posts I have read on eccie. You obviously know nothing about the Middle East. Are you even aware of the Sunni-Shia rivalry? Saudi Arabia and Iran are fighting proxy wars all over the place - Yemen, Syria, Iraq. Iran is a Shi'ite country. It wants nukes in order to dominate and DESTABILIZE the entire region. Once Iran gets them, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt (all Sunni countries) will want to follow suit. Sounds like a great idea - let's have a nuclear arms race in the most UNSTABLE part of the world, where wars and terrorism are rampant. That will make everything stable, lol!

You shouldn't comment on topics you know nothing about - it's embarrassing. Originally Posted by lustylad

I worked for six years in that insane region. Every other day the Saudis were chopping someone's head off for possessing hashish or for adultery or sourcery! Sometimes they would hang up the bodies from cherry pickers so everyone could see with the heads cut off! Pretty cool place. Yeah I'm sort of aware of the Sunni/Shi'i split, and it's been going on for decades and really hundreds of years. The Iranians are the only force which can contain the Saudis and their Wahabist/Salafist crusade. The Saudis are bombing the shit out of Yemen, and are behind ISIS or Diesh or whatever...that "Califate" thing over there. The Saudis ruined Egypt by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and making sure they won the elections, just like they did in Indonesia, where they spent 600 million dollars supporting the Islamists there. They're also responsible for the Islamist government in Turkey that's ruined that place. The Saudis kicked the shit out of the reformers in Bahrain, and they do the same thing everywhere else. They're behind the assholes in Libya which ruined their revolution, and in Tunisa too. The Saudis are scared to death because all the other Monarchs have been ousted... I mean first King Farook in Egypt, and then the Idris in Libya, and Hussein in Iraq, and then in 1979 the Shah in Iran. The Saudis know that their Kingdom is doomed and they lash out at anyone anywhere who seeks reform. So yes, I know the situation. But you don't understand that the Iranians are not destablizing a fucking thing. They are doing their best to oppose Saudi aggression. But the Saudis don't have a nuclear program and never will because they don't have any brain power. They have no such facilities or physicists or anything like that. The need for an Iranian nuclear weapon is to deter Israel from using nuclear weapons. Everyone over there knows that if the Israelis start to lose a war with bullets and tanks they will nuke Arab cities. So we can't have that. The Israeli nuclear monopoly is a cause for instability and insecurity for the whole world. When the Iranians finally obtain their nuclear weapons the whole place will quiet down a whole bunch. Have a nice day!

We have all the oil we need here in America. Fuck Iran! Originally Posted by DSK

Guess what Dude? Until a year ago the biggest oil producer in the whole fucking world was THE U.S. OF A!!

Yeah!! We Americans dug ourselves out of a fucking hole of oil dependence and once again became the biggest oil producer in the world.

BUT THEN CAME THE FUCKING SAUDIS AND THEY RETALIATED AGAINST US!!

Yeah the very FUCKING DAY that it was confirmed that American oil production was higher than theirs they announced that they were loosing the floodgates of their production, and they flooded the world with their cheapass oil and drove the price down to put American oil producers out of business!!

And what did Obama do??? Not a fucking thing!! Instead his advisors told him he should fuck our domestic producers and that low prices were "a good thing" because it would help stave the Russians of money. So there we are!

The Saudis fucked us and broke it off in our ass.

Time for OPERATION SAUDI FREEDOM.

WE INVADED THE WRONG COUNTRY!

Oh and go to Youtube and look at what the Saudis did to that 17 year old kid who was protesting against their rule. They chopped his head off and then sewed it back on and CRUCIFIED HIM.

Oh yes people the Saudis love to crucify them if they're convicted of "sedition and treason" meaning that they protested against the Saudi Royal family of assholes.

Yeah there has been a lost in coal jobs. But the claims aren't about those with jobs. If you have black lung you can't work in the mines. The claims are about those who are sick and could die from it getting money from the companies. So that article doesn't really pertain to the benefits of the ACA. Now if you want to talk about the loss of those jobs, well that's in part because natural gas is cheaper. And how do we get that natural gas? Fracking. And isn't Trump pro fracking? Yes he is. So he's for fracking because that's big for Republicans and he's pro coal miners. But you can't really support both since they are competing. But yeah not talk about that part. Originally Posted by Milly23

Geez, I wonder why natural gas is cheaper?

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.daily...-in-one-chart/

You want to talk about Obamas regulations? I guess not.

Geez, I wonder why natural gas is cheaper?

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.daily...-in-one-chart/

You want to talk about Obamas regulations? I guess not. Originally Posted by bambino

Hahaha I didn't even need to read that article. When I saw Obama's war on coal I knew. I guess I can go find some Huffington article and post it to counter your "fact check" on me with a conservative article. But what's the point. You will counter that with more articles from right leaning sites. What we need to talk about is the true unemployment rate of 96 million people. When there are only about 252 million people of age to work. lol that's the guy people think is fit to lead.

Hahaha I didn't even need to read that article. When I saw Obama's war on coal I knew. I guess I can go find some Huffington article and post it to counter your "fact check" on me with a conservative article. But what's the point. You will counter that with more articles from right leaning sites. What we need to talk about is the true unemployment rate of 96 million people. When there are only about 252 million people of age to work. lol that's the guy people think is fit to lead. Originally Posted by Milly23

Facts are facts no matter who reports them. Obama had a hardon for the coal industry and he slapped onerous regulations on them. Like he did other industries. Like his punitive 2% tax on Medical Device companies thru the ACA. Now about the true unemployment rate I agree. Trump will repeal Obamas punitive regulatory policies and reduce the corporate tax rate. That should put people who are looking for work back to work. Even some coal miners.

Facts are facts no matter who reports them. Obama had a hardon for the coal industry and he slapped onerous regulations on them. Like he did other industries. Like his punitive 2% tax on Medical Device companies thru the ACA. Now about the true unemployment rate I agree. Trump will repeal Obamas punitive regulatory policies and reduce the corporate tax rate. That should put people who are looking for work back to work. Even some coal miners. Originally Posted by bambino

lol I think you missed the sacrasm. That's not the true rate. It's why Trump says that's completely false and kinda impossible. You can't have that many unemployed people with the population we have.

I agree. The true unemployment rate is never reported. You should ask Obama about that.

Hahaha I didn't even need to read that article. When I saw Obama's war on coal I knew. I guess I can go find some Huffington article and post it to counter your "fact check" on me with a conservative article. But what's the point. You will counter that with more articles from right leaning sites. What we need to talk about is the true unemployment rate of 96 million people. When there are only about 252 million people of age to work. lol that's the guy people think is fit to lead. Originally Posted by Milly23

lol I think you missed the sacrasm. That's not the true rate. It's why Trump says that's completely false and kinda impossible. You can't have that many unemployed people with the population we have. Originally Posted by Milly23

Wrong again, there are that many people who are not currently in the workforce. You can argue how many aren't looking for work, but it's certainly higher than 4.7%.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ople-out-work/

Now, are you still going to argue that Obama didn't try to regulate the coal industry into extinction?

Wrong again, there are that many people who are not currently in the workforce. You can argue how many aren't looking for work, but it's certainly higher than 4.7%.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ople-out-work/

Now, are you still going to argue that Obama didn't try to regulate the coal industry into extinction? Originally Posted by bambino

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc....?client=safari

I can do it too. Yes but he said that many people want a job and can't find one. That's false. And if a person is in school or retired or anything of that sort they aren't unemployed in the sense that people are talking about. But hey since y'all are all big on jobs what's up with Trump saying companies can move their plants or jobs as long as it's in the US? I thought he was about improving jobs here that's a net 0 gain of jobs and in that case yes someone in Indiana gets a job but some in Michigan loses one. There are too many issues with his statements.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc....?client=safari

I can do it too. Yes but he said that many people want a job and can't find one. That's false. And if a person is in school or retired or anything of that sort they aren't unemployed in the sense that people are talking about. But hey since y'all are all big on jobs what's up with Trump saying companies can move their plants or jobs as long as it's in the US? I thought he was about improving jobs here that's a net 0 gain of jobs and in that case yes someone in Indiana gets a job but some in Michigan loses one. There are too many issues with his statements. Originally Posted by Milly23

You really don't make much sense. There are people looking for jobs, career type of work and can't find it. Especially millenials and older people who have been laid off to save costs. So you are wrong. The bottomline, Trump will reduce taxes and repeal regulations. Companies like Carrier, Ford, Chrysler/Fiat, Apple, Sprint have said they will invest in the US based on Trumps strategy. If you can't see that, you're too far gone. No reason to debate with you. So, you do admit your wrong about Obama trying to kill the coal industry. He did. Admit it.

You really don't make much sense. There are people looking for jobs, career type of work and can't find it. Especially millenials and older people who have been laid off to save costs. So you are wrong. The bottomline, Trump will reduce taxes and repeal regulations. Companies like Carrier, Ford, Chrysler/Fiat, Apple, Sprint have said they will invest in the US based on Trumps strategy. If you can't see that, you're too far gone. No reason to debate with you. So, you do admit your wrong about Obama trying to kill the coal industry. He did. Admit it. Originally Posted by bambino

You are so far gone you can't see it. The article showed that a lot of those numbers were people who were in school (not graduated looking for jobs), stay at home moms, retired, etc. You can't get to 94 million without including those people and that makes it false. Those aren't unemployed looking for work. Yes he will reduce taxes for companies and the rich. But if you think that companies are going to invest so much more in the US now you're wrong. It's like what Trump said when asked why he didn't buy American, it would be a fiduciary wrong for the investors. The labor is still going to be cheaper else were and the materials cheaper. No point of debating with you either, I can show you an article breaking down the false numbers and you will say I'm wrong and then point to your article and somehow that article's numbers are right.

You are so far gone you can't see it. The article showed that a lot of those numbers were people who were in school (not graduated looking for jobs), stay at home moms, retired, etc. You can't get to 94 million without including those people and that makes it false. Those aren't unemployed looking for work. Yes he will reduce taxes for companies and the rich. But if you think that companies are going to invest so much more in the US now you're wrong. It's like what Trump said when asked why he didn't buy American, it would be a fiduciary wrong for the investors. The labor is still going to be cheaper else were and the materials cheaper. No point of debating with you either, I can show you an article breaking down the false numbers and you will say I'm wrong and then point to your article and somehow that article's numbers are right. Originally Posted by Milly23

I didn't say all 93 million are looking for work. I said the number is larger than 4.7%. Neither did my link say that. You say there are jobs for everyone looking for one , that's false. The economy has been limping along at 2% growth for 8 yrs. that's pathetic. Things are going to change once Trump eliminates Obamas regulatory madness and reduce corporate tax rates. Many CEOs have said so. Now, admit Obama tried to eliminate the coal industry. He and Hillary admitted, why can't you?

I didn't say all 93 million are looking for work. I said the number is larger than 4.7%. Neither did my link say that. You say there are jobs for everyone looking for one , that's false. The economy has been limping along at 2% growth for 8 yrs. that's pathetic. Things are going to change once Trump eliminates Obamas regulatory madness and reduce corporate tax rates. Many CEOs have said so. Now, admit Obama tried to eliminate the coal industry. He and Hillary admitted, why can't you? Originally Posted by bambino

Where did I say there were jobs for everyone who wanted one? I didn't say hey or infer that. I said that the number given by Trump included people not looking for a job. And I didn't say your article said that, Trump said that it was 96 million people. So that's false. So now you admit that Trump is a liar. You just said that it's not 93 million. So yeah admit that and then maybe talk to me about other stuff.

I didn't say all 93 million are looking for work. I said the number is larger than 4.7%. Neither did my link say that. You say there are jobs for everyone looking for one , that's false. The economy has been limping along at 2% growth for 8 yrs. that's pathetic. Things are going to change once Trump eliminates Obamas regulatory madness and reduce corporate tax rates. Many CEOs have said so. Now, admit Obama tried to eliminate the coal industry. He and Hillary admitted, why can't you? Originally Posted by bambino

Growth is recently higher than 2% but for several years it was lower than 2%. Remember that the population grows almost a full percent every year from immigration, so almost a full point has to be reached to account for that. Actually in the last eight years growth has been flat except for the last year or so.

I worked for six years in that insane region. So you worked for Aramco... I'm impressed!

Every other day the Saudis were chopping someone's head off for possessing hashish or for adultery or sourcery (sic)! What the fuck is sourcery?

Sometimes they would hang up the bodies from cherry pickers so everyone could see with the heads cut off! Pretty cool place. Yeah I'm sort of aware of the Sunni/Shi'i split, and it's been going on for decades and really hundreds of years. Much longer. Look up the battle of Karbala, 680 AD.

The Iranians are the only force which can contain the Saudis and their Wahabist/Salafist crusade. The Saudis are bombing the shit out of Yemen, and are behind ISIS or Diesh (sic) or whatever... that "Califate" (sic) thing over there. Is that why they keep beheading ISIS and al-queda members?

The Saudis ruined Egypt by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and making sure they won the elections, just like they did in Indonesia, where they spent 600 million dollars supporting the Islamists there. No, the Saudis supported Mubarak, who despised and cracked down on the Muslim Brotherhood for 30 years. The Saudis were outraged at how quickly Obama threw our Egyptian ally under the bus when demonstrations erupted in Tahrir Square in 2011. Were you paying attention?

They're also responsible for the Islamist government in Turkey that's ruined that place. The Saudis elected Erdogan? And have kept him in power for 13 years? Who knew? I'm amazed they wield such far-reaching sway over a democratic nation of 80 million people!

The Saudis kicked the shit out of the reformers in Bahrain, and they do the same thing everywhere else. You forgot to mention those "reformers" were pro-Iranian Shi'ites.

They're behind the assholes in Libya which ruined their revolution, and in Tunisa (sic) too. Really? You mean NATO didn't overthrow Qaddafi? Well, fuck me! And you're saying the Saudis set that fruit vendor on fire in Tunisia in December 2010, launching the Arab Spring? Well, I'll be double-fucked!

The Saudis are scared to death because all the other Monarchs have been ousted... I mean first King Farook in Egypt (in 1952... you think the Saudis are scared of something that happened 64 years ago?),

and then the Idris in Libya (that was 47 years ago, and you just said the Saudis also ousted his successor, Qaddafi),

and Hussein in Iraq (Saddam was not a monarch, you moron. King Faisal II was ousted in 1958),

and then in 1979 the Shah in Iran. The Saudis know that their Kingdom is doomed and they lash out at anyone anywhere who seeks reform. So yes, I know the situation. No, you don't. Can you name the current Saudi ruler? Who's the young prince in charge of economic reform?

But you don't understand that the Iranians are not destablizing (sic) a fucking thing. Then why did they supply the Sadr militia with weapons and IEDs that killed and maimed hundreds of US troops in Iraq? And why are they supplying the Houthis in Yemen? And why did they blow up the Jewish Center in Buenos Aires and the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia? And why have they spawned numerous other terrorist attacks worldwide? Is that being a stabilizing force?

They are doing their best to oppose Saudi aggression. What aggression? The Saudis didn't intervene in Yemen until Iran did.

But the Saudis don't have a nuclear program and never will because they don't have any brain power. Really? Libya had a nuclear program with 1/5 the population. The Saudis have the brainpower but not the time. If push comes to shove, they're more likely to buy nukes from Pakistan than make their own.

They have no such facilities or physicists or anything like that. Neither did Iran 20 years ago.

The need for an Iranian nuclear weapon is to deter Israel from using nuclear weapons. Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbors. It has never acknowledged having nukes. If it has them, it won't use them first.

Everyone over there knows that if the Israelis start to lose a war with bullets and tanks they will nuke Arab cities. Really? Who is "everyone"? Got a link? The Israelis have never lost a war and won't use nukes first. Everyone knows that except you.

So we can't have that. What we can have is Iranian nukes. The Israeli nuclear monopoly is a cause for instability and insecurity for the whole world. Is that why its neighbors keep fighting each other instead of Israel?

When the Iranians finally obtain their nuclear weapons the whole place will quiet down a whole bunch. You won't find a single person with any knowledge of the Middle East who thinks like you. You are basically an idiot with no understanding of reality.

Have a nice day! Originally Posted by pussycat

You must have had a great 6 years in Saudi Arabia. You blame the Saudis for every evil in that part of the world, and you think the Persians are saints. Before you sleep at night, do you look for Saudis under your bed?

And why stop at advocating nukes for Iran? They never even fought a war against Israel. If your goal is to deter Israel, why not nukes for Egypt and Jordan and Syria too? And let's not forget Hamas and Hezbollah while we're at it. Proliferate away!