2016 Tulsa Oklahoma Shooting.

Would be hilarious if she got hung up in court over something she said in 60 minutes video.

I think she has talked way too much already. Open mouth, locked cell...

Couple of observations

She checked the van and probably noticed windows were up.

She thought he was on PCP and after failing to follow her commands while walking away from the officers along the side of his truck, she became afraid for her life because he may pull a weapon.

Why didnt she become fearful and fire at him when he disobeyed commands and began to approach the officers? That would be considered a more immediate threat?

"The suspect appeared to be under the influence of a drug. After I commanded him to stop, he continued to approach me so I was forced to fire because I feared for my safetey."

That sounds better than he ignored me and walked away towads his car which I checked earlier and saw the windows rolled up. (Can't really reach through a closed window)

Yea yea...... that's not an argument for the officer.

The taser would have dropped that poor man right in his tracks but instead the woman just shot the man dead. She could have at least shot him in the leg. Originally Posted by camero73

Very possible that while on PCP a taser may have been ineffective.

The knee, the leg, the shoulder, shooting from the hip...this ain't the movies.



If movies were real, if a guy managed to out draw someone and wasted the shot trying to shoot the gun out of the other guy's hand like marshal dillon, the guy who drew first ends up dead almost everytime.

Police may have better aim than most. However, they can still miss in a stress free controlled condition on the range shooting at paper silouetes.

In the moment before she pulled the trigger, her vision was reduced to the area of a baseball if not smaller.

Even if she was a crack shot, the likelyhood of missing, and more importantly hitting something unintended like a bystander or someone just unlucky enough to drive down the road at the wrong time, is simply too great.

She must aim for the largest target possible.

She didn't shoot to kill, she shot to stop. It's unfortunate but that changes nothing.

I drove through Tulsa this past weekend and I'm for a purge for this city.

Officer's perception of the situation rules. Dude, not compliant, showing earmarks of PCP, inside about 7 yards. She's scared shitless or worse. She's armed. Second cop has a taser in his hand instead of a .40, not the best choice if the guy is all dusted.
Oklahoma, chances are she'll get off and leave to pursue other opportunities 90 days down the line.
Perfect storm, tragic end.

Man.....so nobody has a good argument for her conviction? I think scribe could try harder....lol. I don't think his heart is in it......


Remember it's not murder. They are charging her with man slaughter.

That means she did get up intending to kill anyone. When she arrived on scene she didn't think, "if this guy pisses me off I'm just going to shoot him." She was mad at him.

Manslaughter means she intentionally killed him without justifiable cause but also without malice.

No one has an argument to show she is guilty of that?

Again, if you watch the video everything was moving in slow motion because the man shot was moving very very slow even as he leaned forward towards his vehicle. There was time for the police officers to process the situation and act accordingly.

The police man was standing right there 10 yards away point blank with his taser gun pointed right at the man. Tasers work right? That is why police use them. I have watched them used many times on the TV show 'cops'.

This man acted high or drunk and later tox results show he had PCP in his system but he was not behaving as a threat except that he was ignoring police orders to stop but, again everything was moving very slowly.

Looks like a case of an unqualified or insecure policewoman or a failure of police officer training.

Again, if you watch the video everything was moving in slow motion because the man shot was moving very very slow even as he leaned forward towards his vehicle. There was time for the police officers to process the situation and act accordingly.

The police man was standing right there 10 yards away point blank with his taser gun pointed right at the man. Tasers work right? That is why police use them. I have watched them used many times on the TV show 'cops'.

This man acted high or drunk and later tox results show he had PCP in his system but he was not behaving as a threat except that he was ignoring police orders to stop but, again everything was moving very slowly.

Looks like a case of an unqualified or insecure policewoman or a failure of police officer training. Originally Posted by camero73

No a taser may not have worked whole on PCP. Well for that matter a single gunshot may not have either. Sure it would have caused a mortal injury and caused death because of it, just not as quickly as a person not on PCP.

It really doesn't matter that the tox screens came back positive.
The police officer who was actually extremely qualified and trained thought he was on PCP. She acted accordingly based on her trained opinion ofrom the situation.

As far as the pace of the situation, I would argue the slowness is in favor of the officer. Had she arrived on scene, concluded that he was on drugs, and immediately pulled and fired her weapon after he failed to follow her first command, then one could say acted with too much haste.

However, that is not what happened. Only after she concluded his decision making ability may be impaired by PCP and after he also failed to follow not just one, but multiple commands and also he refused to follow commands even after officers drew their weapons and took aim, and most importantly, and only after she believed he was going to reach for a weapon and threaten her life, did she fire her weapon.

Scribe! I feel dirty! Blow my argument out of the water!

No a taser may not have worked whole on PCP. Well for that matter a single gunshot may not have either. Sure it would have caused a mortal injury and caused death because of it, just not as quickly as a person not on PCP.

It really doesn't matter that the tox screens came back positive.
The police officer who was actually extremely qualified and trained thought he was on PCP. She acted accordingly based on her trained opinion ofrom the situation.

As far as the pace of the situation, I would argue the slowness is in favor of the officer. Had she arrived on scene, concluded that he was on drugs, and immediately pulled and fired her weapon after he failed to follow her first command, then one could say acted with too much haste.

However, that is not what happened. Only after she concluded his decision making ability may be impaired by PCP and after he also failed to follow not just one, but multiple commands and also he refused to follow commands even after officers drew their weapons and took aim, and most importantly, and only after she believed he was going to reach for a weapon and threaten her life, did she fire her weapon. Originally Posted by grean

A taser may have worked. If it didn't there would not have been any increased danger to the police standing there because the police woman had her gun out and finger on the trigger pointed point blank at the man in case the taser didn't work or actually made things more dangerous.

Just my opinion. Bad police work.

If I were a policeman, while the job is stressful and dangerous everyday I would much rather work my whole 30+ year career as an officer without ever having to use deadly force. This woman has to live with herself knowing it could have been handled differently. I wouldn't need that extra guilt on my conscious.

I just don't see the downside to trying the Taser first.

By the way, I like Bill Whitaker on 60 Minutes who did the Tulsa shooting segment. He has a good voice, a good look and personality to be kind of an iconic news guy. I liked Brian Williams from NBC real quick to when he came on board because he had the makings of an iconic type news guy but that ding bat had to get so full of himself and lie about news. He got caught and was fired. He ruled the evening news but after getting caught he dropped off the face of the earth. Nice!

I just don't see the downside to trying the Taser first.

By the way, I like Bill Whitaker on 60 Minutes who did the Tulsa shooting segment. He has a good voice, a good look and personality to be kind of an iconic news guy. I liked Brian Williams from NBC real quick to when he came on board because he had the makings of an iconic type news guy but that ding bat had to get so full of himself and lie about news. He got caught and was fired. He ruled the evening news but after getting caught he dropped off the face of the earth. Nice! Originally Posted by camero73

Looks like you are finally waking up

Looks like you are finally waking up Originally Posted by fruitpieisgoodeatin

What do you mean. That I appreciate good news anchormen.

She didn't shoot to kill, she shot to stop. It's unfortunate but that changes nothing. Originally Posted by grean

Stop what? Oh yeah, stop that massive, "menacing" black suspect reaching for his fucking weapon because that's the only way her use of the deadly force could be legally justified.

And every single police officer fuck knows what discharging his/her service weapon means: to accept the reality that someone(s) may well get killed as the result.


http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/...se-it#stream/0

..and only after she believed he was going to reach for a weapon and threaten her life, did she fire her weapon. Originally Posted by grean

What makes you think her "belief" was more "reasonable" than those three other officers on the scene?


http://inquisitr.com/3530558/terence...lied-is-insane

First I back LE 100% however , NO weapon, NO threat ( walking away hands up) , NO eminent threat ( wasn't going into car) . The ROE ( rules of engagement ) must include some ^ , other then he is just not listening . Some times its just hand to hand. (just my opinion )