He used to love leaks. Not so much any more

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  • 06-04-2017, 01:44 PM
Leaks are a double edged sword. This administration is so dishonest that if it weren't for the leaks, we wouldn't know half what we do about what's going on.
Like this article says, there are many concerned government employees who are worried about the things trump is trying to conceal.
Why Washington is leaking like a sieve

Washington has been leaking like a sieve. Every day the news agenda has been driven by a torrent of leaks exposing details of the Russia investigation, the backroom intrigue in the Oval Office, and about private meetings that President Trump has conducted with other leaders.

The President has been on a tear as he attacks the people who are leaking information to reporters. Every time that he has been faced with a new story connected to the role of Russia in the election or about the allegations of obstruction of justice, President Trump has blasted the leakers.
When he is asked questions about what happened in his campaign or in the White House, he changes the subject to the issue of leaks. Trump, who has called leaks "criminal action, a criminal act," no longer expresses the kind of sympathy for leakers that he did during the campaign, when he praised WikiLeaks for its publication of emails relating to Hillary Clinton.
This past weekend, upon returning from overseas, he tweeted, "It is my opinion that many of the leaks coming out of the White House are fabricated lies made up by the #FakeNews media." Key members of his administration have been helping to deliver this message. On Meet the Press, Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said that leaks about the bombing in England were "darn close to treason.
In his anger about leakers, President Trump is not alone among political figures. President Obama was notoriously aggressive in his policies toward leakers, to the consternation of many journalists and civil liberties lawyers. One does not have to be a partisan Republican to share President Trump's concerns. Leaking information can be extremely dangerous to national security. It can undercut the ability of government to function, it can generate a dysfunctional culture of distrust in government, and it can put lives in danger.
Yet it is important to remember that some leaks have been vital to discoveries that protected and strengthened our democracy. These were leaks that resulted from members of the government who were frustrated and frightened by what they saw happening in the halls of power.
Most famous leak
The most famous leak of all came in 1971: the Pentagon Papers. A top military analyst named Daniel Ellsberg shared with the New York Times a top secret study from the Department of Defense that explored the real story of why the United States entered into the disastrous war in Vietnam and the many ways in which various presidential administrations had lied to the public.
The White House sued the Times to stop the publication of the study, but the Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 in a landmark decision that the paper could publish the study. "Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government." The leaks were important to building support for the anti-war movement that ultimately helped bring the disastrous war to an end.
Not that long after the Pentagon papers, former Deputy Director of the FBI Mark Felt gave Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein information that helped them to put together their famous stories about Watergate, stories that exposed the ways President Nixon had abused his power and led to his resignation.
In 2005, the Sunday Times of London published an article based on notes from a meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair's national security team, held before the war in Iraq, where officials were concerned that President Bush was basing the operation on faulty evidence about weapons of mass destruction. The story was important in providing support to the international coalition opposing the war.
The pressure and criticism eventually convinced President Bush to reorient his strategy in 2007 by implementing the "surge," which increased troops and refocused them on winning support from the local population. Edward Snowden has garnered praise from many on the left and some on the right for his decision to leak the evidence that exposed a massive government surveillance program.
Leaks not always virtuous
Not all leaks have been so virtuous. It's worth recalling the time during the George W. Bush administration that the identity of a CIA agent named Valerie Plame was leaked in an effort to discredit her husband, former US Ambassador Joe Wilson, for having questioned the administration's intelligence on Iraq. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage later said he had revealed the name, almost inadvertently. The former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was convicted of perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI in investigation of the leak and his sentence was commuted by President Bush, but Libby was not accused of leaking Plame's name.
It is a mistake to discount all of these actions as "criminal activity."
There are times when our democracy depends on leaks to learn what is going on in the inner sanctums of Washington. Leaks are often produced by desperate civil servants who have no other option left other than to take their story to the press.
The problem in Washington today might not be the leaks, but the focus of the information being leaked -- and that's the President himself. There are clearly many officials in government who are worried about what is going on with this White House.
They fear that there is a President in power who is incapable of handling the responsibilities of his position and who, either willingly or through ignorance, is abusing his power. They are concerned that there could have been an attempt to undercut our presidential election by working with the Russians. They are upset about watching what they see as an irresponsible action by the President in sharing sensitive classified material from the Israelis with the Russians for no justifiable reason.
With President Trump, leaks are also a way to counteract the ongoing barrage of misleading or false information that is coming from the White House. Despite all of the President's complaints, the truth is that he is the biggest purveyor of fake news in Washington. He has used the bully pulpit of Twitter to make false accusations about individuals and institutions and to spread information that has no basis in fact -- from claims about massive voter fraud to charges that every story about his administration's connection to the Russians is simply a lie.
Faced with a fake news President, there are people in government who seem to be trying to leak the truth to reporters so that the country can have a better handle on what is going on. In this case, virtuous leakers are also combating the disinformation campaign that seems to be coming from the Russians.
It is also important to remember that determining the legality of leaks is not always clear-cut, with many of the recent leaks -- such as the Oval Office conversations with the President and Russian diplomats, or the reports on the memos about James Comey -- arguably within the boundaries of the law.
It is essential that we hold government officials accountable. Public access to the information that helps us to see the truth, especially in the fog created by the current White House, is vital. The leakers must not be allowed to break the law or to endanger lives, but that does not mean that some of their work is not crucial to safeguarding our democracy.
In an age when partisanship often obscures the facts and when a President and his media allies feel emboldened to traffic in falsehoods, the leakers could well be seen as performing a public service. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
When the leakers are compelled by law to not leak state secrets, and have signed acknowledgement of that responsibility, then it doesn't matter who else has leaked anything.

Those leakers of state secrets must face their transgressions and answer to the law.
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Educated, reasonably intelligent discussion forum participants post attribution when copying and pasting an article. It's standard etiquette. Originally Posted by Ex-CEO
And sometimes those people don't for any number of reasons on any given post. Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
You mean because they're not educated or reasonably intelligent, right?

Don't get upset, dickmuncher. You can still be etiquette police when it comes to cocksucking, ok?

How about if I started a thread with an article dismissing all those hysterical libtard rumors of collusion between Trump and the Russians, but I didn't let anyone know it was authored by Vladimir Putin?

U be cool wid dat, assmunchman?
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You mean because they're not educated or reasonably intelligent, right? No. That's not what I meant.

Don't get upset, dickmuncher. You can still be etiquette police when it comes to cocksucking, ok?Now we've established you feel qualified to judge who can be the etiquette police for cocksucking. Your experience sucking dick makes you feel qualified but your selection makes it obvious which team you play for.

How about if I started a thread with an article dismissing all those hysterical libtard rumors of collusion between Trump and the Russians, but I didn't let anyone know it was authored by Vladimir Putin?

U be cool wid dat, assmunchman? Originally Posted by lustylad
Cool with you posting a story that backed putin's version of a story?
Not cool with it but it's what I expect you would do. And because of that, I always check your sources.

Plus I'm not worried if you check mine. I explained an easy way of doing that earlier in the thread.

Because sometimes those people, educated, reasonably intelligent discussion forum participants, don't post the source for any number of reasons on any given post
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Cool with you posting a story that backed putin's version of a story?
Not cool with it but it's what I expect you would do. And because of that, I always check your sources.

So you're cool with anyone concealing a source if it might undermine the credibility of their argument? Got it! That's why you're a libtard and I'm a conservative.

Plus I'm not worried if you check mine. I explained an easy way of doing that earlier in the thread.

Yeah, just "google it" - the all-purpose libtard excuse for laziness and incompetence!

Because sometimes those people, educated, reasonably intelligent discussion forum participants, don't post the source for any number of reasons on any given post.

Name a valid reason. If the source is on google, there is none. When I was in college, if you didn't use footnotes and cite your sources, then you didn't pass and didn't graduate. Without a degree, you weren't considered "educated". Which brings us to one of two possibilities - either you're an uneducated cocksucker, or you coasted through college based on your cocksucking skills, without acquiring any scholarly training.
Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
Did you learn anything new in Cocksucking 101?
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Did you learn anything new in Cocksucking 101? Originally Posted by lustylad
Looked at the online synopsis. Saw you and jdouche were tandem teaching it again.
Originally Posted by Munchmasterman View Post
Cool with you posting a story that backed putin's version of a story?
Not cool with it but it's what I expect you would do. And because of that, I always check your sources.

So you're cool with anyone concealing a source if it might undermine the credibility of their argument? No one concealed anything. You won't even google to get a response. You're too lazy to do something lazy?You jump to stupid conclusions that support your arguments because the facts don't.
And you aren't a conservative, you're a douche-bag.
Because you ask questions and then supply one of your stupid answers.
Got it! That's why you're a libtard and I'm a conservative.

Plus I'm not worried if you check mine. I explained an easy way of doing that earlier in the thread.

Yeah, just "google it" - the all-purpose libtard excuse for laziness and incompetence!Another stupid conclusion. An "excuse". What the fuck are you talking about? It's lazy to use google but not lazy to ignore looking it up? Since googling it provides all the info you're bitching about not having you have another stupid conclusion.

Because sometimes those people, educated, reasonably intelligent discussion forum participants, don't post the source for any number of reasons on any given post.

Name a valid reason. If the source is on google, there is none. When I was in college, if you didn't use footnotes and cite your sources, then you didn't pass and didn't graduate.More stupid conclusions. So who fucked your mind up? The majority of trump supporters don't have a college degree. Why should I believe you do? Or if you do, how can you be considered educated if you ignore input and make up your conclusions?
No, this is you being stupid on a hooker board because someone didn't post a source that google shows in 2 seconds. Something you claim is lazy but you are too lazy to do.
So if the source is on google, the liberal excuse for your traits, then there is no valid reason?
Suck your wife's dick.
Google is good, it's bad, it's lazy, you shouldn't have to look anything up yourself, you decide what is and isn't valid.
Just shut the fuck up. Maybe bambitcho will give you a sympathy ramming.
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...you're a douche-bag... Another stupid conclusion...What the fuck are you talking about? ... More stupid conclusions. So who fucked your mind up? ... this is you being stupid on a hooker board... Suck your wife's dick... Just shut the fuck up... Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
Oh my! Who pissed in dickmuncher's wheaties today? Would you like more golden showers, er, dick-cream, in your coffee, munchy? Still stumped for a valid reason to conceal your sources? Ok then, we'll just go with your being too lazy, uneducated and unintelligent!
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When are you dipshits going to admit that your emperor has no covfefe?
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Link?
Because sometimes those people, educated, reasonably intelligent discussion forum participants, don't post the source for any number of reasons on any given post Originally Posted by Munchmasterman
Such as, for instance, the concern that many readers might not attach much credence to a piece posted on a left-leaning site?

No, that couldn't be it, I'm sure!