Feeling the Pinch

I, for one, have never had a really high level of disposable income to begin with. So when I make the decision to see a provider, I am having to do careful consideration of how that affects my budget going forward. Add to that that the “novelty” of trying new providers out often results in disappointment, and that’s not so worth it any more. So, I have pretty much settled on one I call when I feel the need, and supplement that with dating and the bar scene. I would love to see that one provider more often, and/or add the occasional fresh taste to the menu, but my personal economics won’t allow it. I actually doubt I will be doing this at all for very long. Originally Posted by billdwyer18

Sir, believe me - I feel your pain, for I have at times been in the 'low disposable income' bracket myself. When I started my hobby adventures in 2006 (my God, its been 11 years - where DID the time go...), I also did not really think that I would be in it for long, and relied heavily on a couple of regulars for their reliability. I have taken several leaves of absence from the hobby over the years (due to a combination of limited funding and other RW situations), but I have always found my way back. I'm not saying that this will be the case for you, but rather just relating my own experiences to let you know that you are not alone in your situation. Happily, for me at least, the funding situation has improved...even though I never really thought it would.

That being said, when limited disposable income is an issue, careful reading of reviews, reading/viewing of showcases, and (when available) reading of a provider's posts in here can be very helpful when selecting a provider in order to minimize disappointment (it won't prevent it from happening - sometimes two people just don't 'click' - but it will help).

Yes, prices have risen...on everything. When I purchased my first brand new car back in the early 80's, it cost me about $7,000 - for a very nice car. A comparable car today would cost north of $50,000.

I think too many times we hobbyists forget (or just don't know) about the expenses a good provider has to incur to be successful. When those prices go up, then by nature so must rates. 'Seeing more clients', as some in here have suggested, is not really a valid solution for the successful providers, as to be truly successful provider in this business takes careful planning, screening, and preparation - all of which takes a lot of time and money.

Okay, I'll shut up now (why yes, I DO tend to ramble a bit...).

The cost of life goes up every year ..
food /gas/ car & health ins/ hotels /condoms/ travel / hotel resort fees have gotten out of hand and they tax you on every thing they can come up with

just in tax alone ( not hotel tax per night) i'm taking just for city tax and other tax they add to the bill.. can add up ..

A bit off topic, but I can't resist...ONLY in this hobby do you see a sentence like Gina's in the previous post: "Food, Gas, Car & Health Insurance, Hotels, CONDOMS, Travel, Hotel Resort Fees have gotten out of hand..."

That is one GREAT sentence.

The donation market has changed from providers that have been around raising their rates and the new to the board if not entirely new to the hobby girls starting out at a high rate. Trouble is, the donation rates have increased while the quality of service has remained the same or in many instances, decreased. I agree with the OP about feeling the pinch, so my hobby days are fewer per month than they were last year at this time.

Jules is right about her costs of doing business going up, but keep in mind, the rent, food, ect. costs are going up for the hobbyists as well. IMO, keeping rates steady is showing how valuable her clients are. Yes, to keep up with the rising costs associated with providing, she may have to accept and do a few more appointments a month to offset those costs, but it is better than the alternative of raising her rates and because of doing so, less clients set and show, or worse, stop seeing her altogether and moving on to another provider as a regular. That leaves the provider in the same boat of barely making ends meet or maybe not being able to pay the bills that she were trying to avoid by increasing her donation amount. Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

She still is not going to see you.

The way I see it is pretty simple, you can't put a price in quality. If the Lady you like gives you an earth shattering session wtf are you complaining. I can tell you I always leave a bit extra to my ATF because the way she treats me has no price. 🤘

Seems to me like if the hourly rates have become prohibitive, the half-hour visits might become more attractive to the hobbyist. Especially in the absence of anyone who can provide the experiences I was getting a few years ago, those half-hour rates can be a pretty good deal for sheer physical pleasure.

Also seems to me like some women might not like half-hour visits: twice the number of clients and probably an increase in workload for a marginally higher daily gross.

If all that is indeed the case, I'd think a lot more going for half-hours and, maybe BnGs, might exert a little downward pressure on hourly rates.

Just musings from someone who's neither a hooker nor an economist, and hasn't even played either on TV.

Meanwhile, for those who have found out that less-than-full-service options can be as good as, or better than, full service, there are a few very good values for less than 200/hr. When you weigh two one-hour L1 (and sometimes L2 and sometimes CIM) sessions with Relaxation Artist at 160 each against 350 for one hour of full service, it's a no-brainer if you use the big head.

And of course, there's the cheapest alternative. I just stumbled across a video of some lucky guy (who got paid to do it!) having a threesome with Julia Ann and Nina North. Lots of P2OGM action. I'm not sure how my sex life could get any better.

You can't dictate the market. You're either a have. Or you're a have not. Don't try and be something you're not. No one likes that shit.

The way I see it is pretty simple, you can't put a price in quality. If the Lady you like gives you an earth shattering session wtf are you complaining. I can tell you I always leave a bit extra to my ATF because the way she treats me has no price. 🤘 Originally Posted by downtownfellow

If were going to speak of singular ladies the point is I'd much rather see her 4 times a month rather than 3, but I don't fall in love like some do. If I see 4 ladies once a month, the rate increase makes it so one cannot be seen that month. So, I compromise and do the half hour thing rather often now. BTW, I always tip. And no, I was not complaining, I did state it was an observation. Your argument is self defeating. If you get bumped to 1K per session I'd speculate "the way she treats me has no price" would be somewhat compromised. You just haven't reached that threshold yet where you question it.

OP is complaining about hooker rates on a hooker site, these women are well off and don't let them fool you, one appointment will easily cover the list of expenses that some posted up and the rest is tax free profit

Ladies; post up daily expenses VS daily appointments and prove me wrong, this is a rich man hobby period, even more if you plan to visit different providers weekly

WTF did I just read? Guys settling for $200 L1 and hoping for L2? take these suckers money ladies, there's one born every minute and most of them are making it to eccie.

OP is complaining about hooker rates on a hooker site, these women are well off and don't let them fool you, one appointment will easily cover the list of expenses that some posted up and the rest is tax free profit Originally Posted by BLM69

BLM69 what rent will one appointment cover?

BLM69 what rent will one appointment cover? Originally Posted by micktoz

Yes please tell me that...

One appointment will barely cover the cable and internet bill at one of my incalls.

If were going to speak of singular ladies the point is I'd much rather see her 4 times a month rather than 3, but I don't fall in love like some do. Originally Posted by 2short@desky

Cheap shot bro. Lol ..... If you want to see your ATF 4 times a month make a deal with her, but asking her to lower her rates so you can see her more also opens her to seeing many many more dudes. I don't like seeing high volume ladies ... Fuck no

Cheap shot bro. Lol ..... If you want to see your ATF 4 times a month make a deal with her, but asking her to lower her rates so you can see her more also opens her to seeing many many more dudes. I don't like seeing high volume ladies ... Fuck no Originally Posted by downtownfellow

I also had stated that I respected the ladies and affirmed that their rates were either an in or out deal. I don't expect them to do this for me, if they were to offer a variable rate, sure I would go for it. And no, that wasn't a cheap shot, it was based on a thread YOU introduced a while back but somehow I'm cheap shooting because I have good recall? Your tendency to continue to mention a singular ATF indicates to me you've learned nothing from that experience. What the hell does "high volume ladies" mean? These ladies run a business, it's in their financial interest to have as many sessions as possible, it's just the inherent nature of capitalism. I don't mind it because I view it from the opposite goalpost. That is, if the quality is there that meets my expectations and desires and I think it's a good deal for me I don't mind sharing. I know where I fit in and it's simply a pleasurable business deal. If this business model has a fairly reliable income stream as such it might be assumed her longevity in the profession is enhanced...also a good deal for me. As I said previously, this thread relates to observations made and conclusions made from those observations that my ability to participate is in a pinch directly related to rate increases...it's not the end of the world...as mentioned this is a luxury....and a damn good one at that

I also had stated that I respected the ladies and affirmed that their rates were either an in or out deal. I don't expect them to do this for me, if they were to offer a variable rate, sure I would go for it. And no, that wasn't a cheap shot, it was based on a thread YOU introduced a while back but somehow I'm cheap shooting because I have good recall? Your tendency to continue to mention a singular ATF indicates to me you've learned nothing from that experience. Originally Posted by 2short@desky

It was a cheap shot because my feelings have nothing to do with this thread. I love Torchys Tacos but I dont go bitching about their prices when I go there to eat. I dont try to hustle them for a discount on their tacos. You don't know shit about me so don't give me that bullshit about not learning from that experience. I gave u my opinion and you took a cheap shot. That was a cheap ass shot. Take it easy.

It was a cheap shot because my feelings have nothing to do with this thread. I love Torchys Tacos but I dont go bitching about their prices when I go there to eat. I dont try to hustle them for a discount on their tacos. You don't know shit about me so don't give me that bullshit about not learning from that experience. I gave u my opinion and you took a cheap shot. That was a cheap ass shot. Take it easy. Originally Posted by downtownfellow

Oh c'mon. It's obvious you and I draw different conclusions. Your perception is singular and gave pointers from that perspective, my view is in multiples. I was trying to reflect your singular ideology back to you, that it's a futile pursuit to engage with these ladies on a deep one-to-one emotional level so I won't do it. I merely pointed that out and really didn't mean to activate your passions.