Obama's list of accomplishments

Here’s a poll that ranks Obama last, behind Bush. This from the court of public opinion. The one that really counts:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2QoemjvQrp8 Originally Posted by bambino

The poll was taken 3 years ago, 2014. Obama left office with an approval rating of 57%. Bush? Under 35% when he left office Polls are only good on the day they were taken.

The presidential rankings are based on a president's full term in office. The one link I provided was done by C-Span and I have no idea whether they are biased or not. Of the top 10 presidents on their list, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Reagan were Republicans and FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and LBJ were Democrats.

As for the people who do the actual rankings, the list of contributors is long and varied -- historians, journalists, college professors. Whether or not there are more liberals than conservatives on the list I do not know. Here is a list of the contributors.

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurv...e=participants

The methodology used in the survey of the 91 contributors can be found here:

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurv...ge=methodology

I personally do not believe there is any bias in the rankings. The 3 worst presidents since I've been voting have been Nixon, George W. Bush, and Carter. I voted for Nixon and Bush and voted against Carter for what it's worth.

Nice...but it means very little. Two words; Harry Truman. The man was vilified as one of the worst presidents when he left office (and a year afterward). Today he is considered one of the best. You can start the process by looking at thing Obama did that have already to a negative outcome. Like bankrupting the democrat party which forced them into the hands of the rapist. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

I agree. It is too early to adequately rank Obama. George W Bush moved up 3 positions between 2007 and 2017 in the C-Span rankings. My point though is that Obama is FAR from the worst POTUS there has been and I guarantee you that he will stay ahead of Bush in the rankings.

Why?? WE got saddled with economic hits from it, WHILE THE Bigger purveyors of smog (CHINA) has 20+ years to get in line, AND ONLY if we pay them to do so..

SO we should what, ship all that oil donw via trains/trucks?

Tell that to the millions who lost insurance CAUSE of the bloody ACA! Originally Posted by garhkal

There is an upside and downside to each of the 3 issues you mention. There is no right or wrong answer in my opinion, just different viewpoints.

What is the downside of staying in the Paris Accords? The estimates for economic hits are all over the place from minimal to great.

"So the actual cost to the economy depends on how the U.S. would go about meeting its target emissions reduction. Trump’s claim that the cost “at this time would be close to $3 trillion in lost GDP” leaves out the fact that it’s an estimate for the year 2040 and that another scenario in that same study estimated a much lower impact."

But there are concerns other than economic when examining whether or not withdrawing from the Paris Accords was a good idea:

"President Trump's decision Thursday to exit the Paris climate agreement is likely to give a small and immediate lift to the oil and coal industry, which makes good on a persistent campaign promise.

But, economists and energy experts warn, over time the controversial decision to drop out of the international pact to help stem climate change may hamper the nation's ability to financially capitalize on the globe's shift to renewable resources"


Leaving the Paris agreement jeopardizes the U.S.'s ability to be a global leader in new clean technology developments and sell those insights to a world hungry for cheap energy, experts say."
The Keystone XL pipeline is not operational today and we have an abundance of oil in this country. The right to build it is in the courts with many hurdles to get over. Trump thus far has shown little interest in environmental issues. Personally, I don't really care if it is built or not but I don't think it is needed.

https://www.edf.org/blog/2017/03/15/trump-has-declared-war-epa-5-chilling-examples?utm_source=google&utm _campaign=ggad_transition_pd_d mt&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=14896 05334&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyNSEoK rd1wIV1EsNCh0MDA6yEAAYASAAEgJ_ jfD_BwE

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/...e-environment/

Regarding your statement about millions losing their coverage under the ACA:

"Critics of the law now say millions lost their health insurance. But that’s misleading. Those individual market plans were discontinued, but policyholders weren’t denied coverage. And the question is, how many millions of insured Americans had plans canceled, and how does that compare with the millions of uninsured Americans who gained coverage under the law.
There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their policies canceled."


"It’s true that insurance companies discontinued health plans that had covered millions of people who had bought them directly rather than through an employer. That’s because those plans didn’t meet the coverage standards of the new law.


But those policyholders didn’t lose the ability to have insurance. In most cases, insurers offered them an alternative plan, though there were some instances of companies exiting the individual market altogether."


Yes, some unknown number of people lost their insurance when the ACA became effective. Many, many millions more got insurance for the first time in their lives. Some saw their insurance rates go up and some saw higher deductibles. And that is why I say don't repeal the ACA and have an estimated 20+ million people lost their health insurance. Fix the problems with the ACA.

Trump's list will be longer even though he will serve one term at the most if he is lucky.

The poll was taken 3 years ago, 2014. Obama left office with an approval rating of 57%. Bush? Under 35% when he left office Polls are only good on the day they were taken.

The presidential rankings are based on a president's full term in office. The one link I provided was done by C-Span and I have no idea whether they are biased or not. Of the top 10 presidents on their list, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Reagan were Republicans and FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and LBJ were Democrats.

As for the people who do the actual rankings, the list of contributors is long and varied -- historians, journalists, college professors. Whether or not there are more liberals than conservatives on the list I do not know. Here is a list of the contributors.

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurv...e=participants

The methodology used in the survey of the 91 contributors can be found here:

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurv...ge=methodology

I personally do not believe there is any bias in the rankings. The 3 worst presidents since I've been voting have been Nixon, George W. Bush, and Carter. I voted for Nixon and Bush and voted against Carter for what it's worth.
Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

A couple things here Speedy, I didn’t bring up Presidential popularity polls, you did. Secondly, I didn’t say Obama was the worst POTUS. But I would rank him near the bottom in my lifetime. I merely stated that Trump is reversing much of what Obama did. Thru EOs or Foriegn Policy intitiatives, This is true. There are 2 major ones left, the ACA and the Iran deal. Both are in Trumps crosshairs. If you want to talk about rankings, start a different thread.

Yes, some unknown number of people lost their insurance when the ACA became effective. Many, many millions more got insurance for the first time in their lives. Some saw their insurance rates go up and some saw higher deductibles. And that is why I say don't repeal the ACA and have an estimated 20+ million people lost their health insurance. Fix the problems with the ACA.
Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You left out the fact when they lost insurance, their rates and deductibles went up. They could not afford the insurance at the price point its at now. these people ended up having to pay the fine which is a tax under the Income tax code. Perversely, its cheaper than having to pay for insurance they no longer can afford.

the ACA is a good example of Peter robbing John to give to Paul.

Nice...but it means very little. Two words; Harry Truman. The man was vilified as one of the worst presidents when he left office (and a year afterward). Today he is considered one of the best. You can start the process by looking at thing Obama did that have already to a negative outcome. Like bankrupting the democrat party which forced them into the hands of the rapist. Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Liberal revisionist history there right at work imo.

Liberal revisionist history there right at work imo. Originally Posted by garhkal

The "revision" is the repetition of the bullshit with one media source repeating what another one posts, so that it appears multiple sources are saying the same thing. It's nothing more than an "echo," but it gives the impression of greater "support"!

That’s a fucking “LIE”!

And you “know” it.

BTW — Congratulations, LLiarMan.

That’s a fucking “LIE”!

And you “know” it.

BTW — Congratulations, LLiarMan. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

shove that lie of yours and stick it up your ass.

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Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

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Come on BUTTPLUG, deconstruct the sentence for us.

It looks like you’ve “trademarked” a saying. And you’ve had FDA assign an inspector to it?

WHEN DO YOU GRADUATE TO HIGH SCHOOL, BOY?

A couple things here Speedy, I didn’t bring up Presidential popularity polls, you did. Secondly, I didn’t say Obama was the worst POTUS. But I would rank him near the bottom in my lifetime. I merely stated that Trump is reversing much of what Obama did. Thru EOs or Foriegn Policy intitiatives, This is true. There are 2 major ones left, the ACA and the Iran deal. Both are in Trumps crosshairs. If you want to talk about rankings, start a different thread. Originally Posted by bambino

You cited a poll. No problem. I never brought up popularity "polls". I brought up a study asking 91 rather learned participants, as one of my links pointed out, who were asked to rank 44 presidents. It was in no was a "popularity" poll.

In post #3 in this thread you stated that Trump would soon reverse all of Obama's "accomplishments" which to me implies that Obama will have absolutely no accomplishments in his 8 years in office. I brought up the rankings to counter that statement -- people a lot wiser than you and me analyzing what each of the 44 presidents accomplished and did not accomplish during their time in office coming up with an opinion that far differs from that of your's.

You left out the fact when they lost insurance, their rates and deductibles went up. They could not afford the insurance at the price point its at now. these people ended up having to pay the fine which is a tax under the Income tax code. Perversely, its cheaper than having to pay for insurance they no longer can afford.

the ACA is a good example of Peter robbing John to give to Paul. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

If a person is uninsured, and estimates are that around 26 million more people will be uninsured under the health plan rejected by the Senate, who will pay the bill when they go to the emergency room for care? More than likely it will be the taxpayers like you and me.

I don't disagree with your criticism of the ACA. Repealing the ACA with no replacement plan would be far worse for this country than keeping the ACA. Replacing the ACA with what was offered by the House and the Senate would be far worse for this country than keeping the ACA. My opinion shared by most. Again, try to fix what is wrong with the ACA rather than get rid of it just to keep Trump's promise to the people.

You cited a poll. No problem. I never brought up popularity "polls". I brought up a study asking 91 rather learned participants, as one of my links pointed out, who were asked to rank 44 presidents. It was in no was a "popularity" poll.

In post #3 in this thread you stated that Trump would soon reverse all of Obama's "accomplishments" which to me implies that Obama will have absolutely no accomplishments in his 8 years in office. I brought up the rankings to counter that statement -- people a lot wiser than you and me analyzing what each of the 44 presidents accomplished and did not accomplish during their time in office coming up with an opinion that far differs from that of your's. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You said one thing right,it’s THEIR OPINION. Nothing more or less. Lots of “learned” people put out the college football polls. They change weekly. It doesn’t matter.But Trump can’t be put into the rankings yet can he? He’s not done yet. He’s going to dismantle another Obama creation, the CFBC. So when Trumps done, what will Obama have left to hang his hat on? The bogus Nobel peace prize perhaps. And the lowest GDP of any POTUS in the last 70yrs. That’s a fact Speedy. Not the opinion of faceless, “learned” people.

I would say Obama was far worse than Carter, and that is really saying something.