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So your concern over "freedom" begins and ends with your tax bill? Originally Posted by Doove

the tax bill is a good place to start worrying about your freedom.....economic freedom is paramount to other freedoms.....

it's funny how people like you don't want others imposing their morality on you, but you want to impose your morality [or lack thereof] on others......what you are starts with a big-fat "H"......

This** from one of the articles he linked. You do realize that one person restriction on abortion is another persons restriction on freedom. Originally Posted by WTF

Did you know, some people on this board often post links that don't work or post links to sites that don't really support their argument? Makes one wonder and suspect that such a poster is just trying to blow smoke up someone's ass, and that such a poster is actually counting on others not to try the links.

the tax bill is a good place to start worrying about your freedom.....economic freedom is paramount to other freedoms.....

it's funny how people like you don't want others imposing their morality on you, but you want to impose your morality [or lack thereof] on others......what you are starts with a big-fat "H"...... Originally Posted by Marshall

well, I agree with the first part.Doove sure can get under your skin for sure, but hes one of the people that have taught me a great deal during my time here, and it has nothing to do with politics.we are polar oposites in most ways,and one thing I know for sure is hell challenge the shit out of me and have me thinking about things that no one else ever does. for me , I first have to decifer his point, then I have to respond and may not even understood what he meant to begin with, sometimes i think I should just PM him my jumbled thoughts during our exchanges ..Im confident, if i did, he would have the integrity to send them back fair and balanced, if that makes any sense ?

I see the paranoiacs have all been fed and let out into the rec room for a little computer time.

Doove sure can get under your skin for sure, but hes one of the people that have taught me a great deal during my time here, and it has nothing to do with politics.we are polar oposites in most ways,and one thing I know for sure is hell challenge the shit out of me and have me thinking about things that no one else ever does. for me , I first have to decifer his point, then I have to respond and may not even understood what he meant to begin with, sometimes i think I should just PM him my jumbled thoughts during our exchanges ..Im confident, if i did, he would have the integrity to send them back fair and balanced, if that makes any sense ? Originally Posted by JONBALLS

Awwwwww, JB, if i was gay right now, i'd hug ya.

Awwwwww, JB, if i was gay right now, i'd hug ya. Originally Posted by Doove

I figured you would loose your lunch after that sap..LOl..alright,...back to the bickering and snipes!!!!!

This** from one of the articles he linked. You do realize that one person restriction on abortion is another persons restriction on freedom.



**The rankings in the "Freedom in the 50 States" index are highly subjective. For example, on one particularly contested issue, abortion, the authors punted: "Rather than take a stand," they write, they simply "coded the data" on abortion and didn't include it in their final tally.





Originally Posted by WTF

Uh, so you realized that its a bullshit article? I realized it once I saw that it was on HuffPo. Lemme give you another hint: Most of the "state ranking" "research" articles are bullshit with very little scientific background and usually used to push an agenda.

But answer the orginal question: would you rather people post the entire article?

In other news, that NY "moderate" Muslim TV producer who cut his wife's head off was finally convicted of 2nd degree murder. He got 25 to life. He plead self - defense.

You do realize that one person restriction on abortion is another persons right to live.
Originally Posted by WTF

There! Fixed it!

I think that this editorial is fitting to this discussion.

"What has America become?

Editor,

Has America become the land of special interest and home of the*double standard?

Lets see: if we lie to the Congress, it’s a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics; if we dislike a black person, we’re racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer; we don’t burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obama’s policies you’re a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don’t want to work; we all support*the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology; we still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically correct; parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games; the land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs; the similarity between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a committee to determine who’s at fault, then threatens them, passes a law, raises our taxes; tells us the problem is solved so they can get back to their reelection campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

- Ken Huber
Tawas City

Lets see: if we lie to the Congress, it’s a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics; Originally Posted by Can I Play Too???

Maybe someone should explain the phrase "under oath" to Ken Huber.

if we dislike a black person, we’re racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right;

No, if you dislike black people in general, you're a racist. And the same standard applies in reverse.

the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims;

Rehabilitate criminals while they have them put away in jail. The alternative, i suppose, would be to not try to rehabilitate them, and just put them back on the street when their sentence ends.

in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process;

Ken Huber needs to read the constitution, and not the bible.

you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer;

Seems Ken Huber has a problem with all the civilized countries in the world.

we don’t burn books in America, we now rewrite them;

Sounds like he's suggesting we should go back to burning them.

we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive;

Ken Huber is simply a moron.

we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea;

Is the border with Mexico "protected"? Is the 38th Parallel "closed"?

if you protest against President Obama’s policies you’re a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

Now this is just dang funny. I haven't heard the phrase "If you criticize the President in time of war, you're aiding the terrorists" since.....well, since George Bush left office. How many people has Bill O'Reilly put on his own personal "watch list" since Obama came into office, for criticizing the President? Chirp chirp.

You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas;

Again, Ken Huber needs to read the Constitution.

we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people;

Just another moronic statement from someone desperate to make points.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who don’t want to work;

Unfortunately, this is true. As a by-product of helping the truly needy, i'll stomach it.

we all support*the Constitution, but only when it supports our political ideology;

Ken Huber needs to read his own letter to the editor.

Etc etc etc.....

Maybe someone should explain the phrase "under oath" to Ken Huber.
//I find it disturbing how you mince words to fit your own warped agenda.
In order with your twisted logic...
So, lying is ok with you?

No, if you dislike black people in general, you're a racist. And the same standard applies in reverse.
//I see that you judge people by their skin color and not the content of their character.

Rehabilitate criminals while they have them put away in jail. The alternative, i suppose, would be to not try to rehabilitate them, and just put them back on the street when their sentence ends.
//This logic is wrong because the converse does not hold water. It was implying aid to victims of the crimes.

Ken Huber needs to read the constitution, and not the bible.
//Right to religious freedom. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to shove a gay agenda down the minds of innocent children.

Seems Ken Huber has a problem with all the civilized countries in the world.
//Killing babies is "civilized" and not barbaric?

Sounds like he's suggesting we should go back to burning them.
//How did you come to that conclusion?

Ken Huber is simply a moron.
//I wish that I could think so highly of you.

Is the border with Mexico "protected"? Is the 38th Parallel "closed"?
//How about not letting illegals drain our health care and school systems?

Now this is just dang funny. I haven't heard the phrase "If you criticize the President in time of war, you're aiding the terrorists" since.....well, since George Bush left office. How many people has Bill O'Reilly put on his own personal "watch list" since Obama came into office, for criticizing the President? Chirp chirp.
//You watch Bill "loofah" O'Reilly? 'nough said. I can hardly hold back the tears from laughing. You like your dumbed down, Faux News, spoon-fed to you, instead of actually reading from credible sources. It speaks volumes of your lack of research.

Again, Ken Huber needs to read the Constitution.

Just another moronic statement from someone desperate to make points.
//Are you talking about yourself, again?

Unfortunately, this is true. As a by-product of helping the truly needy, i'll stomach it.

Ken Huber needs to read his own letter to the editor.

Etc etc etc....

Maybe someone should explain the phrase "under oath" to Ken Huber.
//I find it disturbing how you mince words to fit your own warped agenda.
In order with your twisted logic... Originally Posted by Can I Play Too???

Mince words? Adding proper context is more like it.

So, lying is ok with you?

Not really, and neither is lying by omission. Which you seem to be ok with since it fits your own warped agenda.

No, if you dislike black people in general, you're a racist. And the same standard applies in reverse.
//I see that you judge people by their skin color and not the content of their character.

And exactly how did you come up with that? That's not mincing words, that's butchering them. Nice.

Rehabilitate criminals while they have them put away in jail. The alternative, i suppose, would be to not try to rehabilitate them, and just put them back on the street when their sentence ends.
//This logic is wrong because the converse does not hold water. It was implying aid to victims of the crimes.

Huh? it was implying both - at least in the context of why is there one without the other. I explained why. Though believe me, i'd be ok with aid to victims.....but try getting that past the "oh i'm so overtaxed" crowd.

Ken Huber needs to read the constitution, and not the bible.
//Right to religious freedom. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to shove a gay agenda down the minds of innocent children.

How about separation of church and state? Not only do you ok lying by omission, and not only do you butcher what i say, but you also selectively pick and choose what parts of the constitution you want to have followed. All to (let's hear it!) fit your own warped agenda. And pointing out the acceptability of homosexuality is not "shoving a gay agenda down the minds of innocent children". Unless you're a homophobe.

Seems Ken Huber has a problem with all the civilized countries in the world.
//Killing babies is "civilized" and not barbaric?

Sure, killing babies is barbaric. Terminating fetuses? Not so much.

Sounds like he's suggesting we should go back to burning them.
//How did you come to that conclusion?

By his complaining that we now re-write them instead.

Ken Huber is simply a moron.
//I wish that I could think so highly of you.

I'm not too worried about it, so don't you be.

Is the border with Mexico "protected"? Is the 38th Parallel "closed"?
//How about not letting illegals drain our health care and school systems?

How about saying that, rather than acting as if it's possible to close the border with Mexico simply because we can prevent a country from crossing the 38th parallel?

//You watch Bill "loofah" O'Reilly? 'nough said. I can hardly hold back the tears from laughing. You like your dumbed down, Faux News, spoon-fed to you, instead of actually reading from credible sources. It speaks volumes of your lack of research.

Hey PJ! This guy thinks i actually watch Bill O'Reilly and FOX News!

Come on, admit it......you're Ken Huber, aren't ya?

Your comments, which parrot my lexicon, demonstrate your lack of original thoughts. No need for a rebuttal because I don't feel like reading own my words twice but with idiotic questions and irrelevant statements in between them. Reading comprehension is also not your strong suit. And if you must know, I'm a college-educated, mid-20's hottie. That's all for now.

And if you must know, I'm a college-educated, mid-20's hottie. Originally Posted by Can I Play Too???

Aren't we all!

Edited to remove the nonsense.

Alright boys! Let's settle down. You're getting a bit rowdy and you know...I don't like rowdy.