Actually, it just shows what a truly fucked up piece of shit candidate Hillary Clinton was. Originally Posted by I B HankeringI agree totally !!!
- A1.
- 04-26-2019, 09:16 AM
- lustylad
- 04-26-2019, 02:21 PM
The Russians did more than interfere. They made contacts with a whole lot of people in the trump campaign and the campaign encouraged the behavior. That’s testimony I want to hear from Mueller. Originally Posted by Jaxson66Hey jaxson, how about some testimony from Glenn Simpson and Natalia Veselnitskaya while we're at it? Good idea?
Or would that just be "deep state bullshit" that you're afraid to investigate out of fear that it would blow up your stubborn close-minded narrative?
Apparently Glenn and Natalia had quite an intimate relationship. Natalia had one shot with Don Jr. and didn't even last 30 minutes. But with Glenn she had 3 long dates within 48 hours surrounding the Trump Tower meeting!
Prep, brief and debrief, right jaxson?
Let me help you out here, Jaxson, by quoting Rudy Giuliani directly from the Meet the Press transcript.
The hot topic is...
"Veselnitskaya was represented by Glenn Simpson, who's the head of GPS for three years.... They met the day before the meeting with Donald Trump Jr., spent hours together having dinner. They met the morning of the meeting with Donald Trump Jr., and they met the day after. They had set up the meeting on the grounds that it was about dirt on Hillary. They never spoke about dirt on Hillary. They spoke about Russian adoptions. And then they never followed up. To me, having been involved in the Justice Department for 17 years, that's about as clear a possible setup as you can get."
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pre...1-2019-n996811
Let's hope Attorney General Barr gets to the bottom of this "hot topic"! Originally Posted by lustylad
- lustylad
- 04-26-2019, 02:37 PM
The Russians did more than interfere. They made contacts with a whole lot of people in the trump campaign and the campaign encouraged the behavior. That’s testimony I want to hear from Mueller. Originally Posted by Jaxson66Yeah, those Rooskis tried to infiltrate BOTH campaigns, didn't they? That's why AG Barr is investigating why the FBI didn't inform and warn BOTH candidates! After all, that's how it is normally handled.
The Rooskis tried to break into the RNC server and failed. Are you aware of that?
But hey, I guess the fact that the DNC didn't adequately protect their own fucking servers (like the RNC did) must be trumpy's fault, right jaxson?
And which campaign threw the door wide open and even forked over campaign money to PAY for Russian interference? Why, that was the hildebeest campaign! Who commissioned the Steele dossier? Who authored it? What were the sources?
You claim the trump campaign "encouraged" interference. Well fuck, the hildebeest campaign not only encouraged it, they fucking PAID for it!
Do all of these pesky questions make you uncomfortable, jaxson?
GOOD!!!
- Jaxson66
- 04-26-2019, 03:02 PM
Yeah, those Rooskis tried to infiltrate BOTH campaigns, didn't they? That's why AG Barr is investigating why the FBI didn't inform and warn BOTH candidates! After all, that's how it is normally handled.It’s a documented fact the leaders of house and Senate were informed the Russians were meddling into 2016 and a counter intelligence investigation had opened regarding the trump campaign. That information was withheld from the public by the GOP leadership. I bet there are records somewhere.
Btw, the Rooskis tried to break into the RNC server and failed. Are you aware of that?
But hey, the fact that the DNC didn't adequately protect their own fucking servers (like the RNC did) must be trumpy's fault, right Jaxson? Originally Posted by lustylad
Hell the attempted hack of the RNC is yesterday’s news.
Here’s a fact....trump decided to accuse Don Mcghan of lying this morning. Mcghan the guy who wrote notes and informed his personal lawyer after each time BLOTUS told him to fire Mueller. The guy who testified under oath about that fact, and trump wants me to believe everybody’s lying but trump.
Yeah right, laddie
- The_Waco_Kid
- 04-26-2019, 03:25 PM
- lustylad
- 04-27-2019, 02:43 PM
Hell the attempted hack of the RNC is yesterday’s news.Anything you don't want to talk about is dismissed as "yesterday's news", right jaxson?
Here’s a fact....trump decided to accuse Don Mcghan of lying this morning. Mcghan the guy who wrote notes and informed his personal lawyer after each time BLOTUS told him to fire Mueller. The guy who testified under oath about that fact, and trump wants me to believe everybody’s lying but trump.
Yeah right, laddie Originally Posted by Jaxson66
Seems to me the entire Mueller report is yesterday's news, yet you want to pounce on it and cherry-pick it and exaggerate whatever parts you think might lend themselves to an impeachment charge!
By the way, Trump's former lawyer's name is McGahn, not Mcghan. Yes, Trumpy is an idiot to attack him. Yes, Trump is lying. I have no problem admitting that because I'm a reasonable guy. You're not. That's why you want to change the subject to Trump's lying. It's your way of refusing to talk about the alarming misconduct, illegal spying and flagrant lying by Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Strzok and the rest of your sorry crew of deep state seditionists.
- lustylad
- 04-27-2019, 03:12 PM
I love Kim Strassel! So many questions... and she goes after them like a pit bull after a bone!
The Russians and the Dossier
Mueller should have investigated whether Moscow used Steele in its interference.
By Kimberley A. Strassel
April 25, 2019 6:52 p.m. ET
Politicians keep reminding us not to lose sight of special counsel Robert Mueller’s broader assignment: to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. If only someone had reminded Mr. Mueller.
One of the biggest failures of the Mueller probe concerns not what was in the final report, but what was not. Close readers will search in vain for any analysis of the central document in this affair: the infamous “dossier.” It’s a stunning omission, given the possibility that the Russians used that collection of reports to feed disinformation to U.S. intelligence agencies, sparking years of political maelstrom.
The dossier—compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele on behalf of Fusion GPS, an opposition-research firm working for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee—fed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the media the principal allegations of the “collusion” narrative. It claimed Paul Manafort was at the center of a “well-developed” Trump-Russia “conspiracy”; that Carter Page served as his intermediary, conducting secret meetings with a Kremlin official and the head of a state energy company; that Michael Cohen held a clandestine meeting in Prague with Vladimir Putin cronies; and that the Russians had compromising material on Donald Trump, making him vulnerable to blackmail. The dossier was clearly important to the FBI probe. Its wild claims made up a significant section of the FBI’s application for a secret surveillance warrant on Mr. Page.
The Mueller report exposes the dossier claims as pure fiction. Yet in describing the actions of the Trump campaign figures the FBI accused, the report assiduously avoids any mention of the dossier or its allegations. Mr. Mueller refers to Mr. Steele and his work largely in passing, as part of the report’s description of how former FBI Director James Comey informed Mr. Trump of the dossier’s existence. The dossier is blandly described several times as “unverified allegations compiled” by Mr. Steele.
Once Mr. Mueller established that the dossier was a pack of lies, he should have investigated how it gained such currency at the highest levels of the FBI. Yet his report makes clear he had no interest in plumbing the antics of the bureau, which he led from 2001-13. Instead, he went out of his way to avoid the dossier and give cover to the FBI.
The special counsel had another, more pressing reason to look at the dossier: It fell within his core mission. Since its publication by BuzzFeed in January 2017, we’ve learned enough about Mr. Steele and Fusion GPS to wonder if the Russians used the dossier for their own malign purposes.
In the first telling, Mr. Steele was described by friendly media as simply a “former Western intelligence official” with a history at Britain’s overseas intelligence service. It turns out he worked in Russia. Mr. Steele spent his first years of service under diplomatic cover in Moscow, later in Paris. And in 1999 he was among 117 British spies whose covers were publicly blown by a disgruntled ex-MI6 officer.
The former spy, known to the public and therefore to Russia, also became known for sending reports to the U.S. government. Last year former Obama State Department official Jonathan Winer explained that in 2009 he became friendly with the self-employed Mr. Steele, and starting as early as 2013 ensured that “more than 100 of Steele’s reports” on Russia topics were shared with the State Department. Given that the dossier is largely based on Russian sources, some supposedly connected to the Kremlin, did the Kremlin know about this arrangement and see an opportunity to spoon-feed the U.S. government disinformation?
We’ve also learned more about Mr. Steele’s and Fusion’s connections to Russians. Mr. Steele sent a series of emails to Justice Department employee Bruce Ohr in 2016 inquiring about the status of a visa for Oleg Deripaska, an oligarch with Kremlin ties. Fusion GPS was working alongside Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who arranged the infamous meeting with Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016. Fusion was hired as part of a team to help Ms. Veselnitskaya undermine Bill Browder, the man behind the Magnitsky Act, a law that imposes sanctions on Russians for corruption and human-rights violations.
How did Mr. Mueller spend two years investigating every aspect of Russian interference—cyberhacking, social-media trolling, meetings with Trump officials—and not consider the possibility that the dossier was part of the Russian interference effort?
Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz and Attorney General William Barr may answer some of the questions Mr. Mueller refused to touch. Thanks to the special counsel we know Republicans weren’t playing footsie with Russians. But thanks to BuzzFeed, we know that Democrats were. America deserves to know how far that interaction extended.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rus...er-11556232721
The Russians and the Dossier
Mueller should have investigated whether Moscow used Steele in its interference.
By Kimberley A. Strassel
April 25, 2019 6:52 p.m. ET
Politicians keep reminding us not to lose sight of special counsel Robert Mueller’s broader assignment: to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. If only someone had reminded Mr. Mueller.
One of the biggest failures of the Mueller probe concerns not what was in the final report, but what was not. Close readers will search in vain for any analysis of the central document in this affair: the infamous “dossier.” It’s a stunning omission, given the possibility that the Russians used that collection of reports to feed disinformation to U.S. intelligence agencies, sparking years of political maelstrom.
The dossier—compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele on behalf of Fusion GPS, an opposition-research firm working for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee—fed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the media the principal allegations of the “collusion” narrative. It claimed Paul Manafort was at the center of a “well-developed” Trump-Russia “conspiracy”; that Carter Page served as his intermediary, conducting secret meetings with a Kremlin official and the head of a state energy company; that Michael Cohen held a clandestine meeting in Prague with Vladimir Putin cronies; and that the Russians had compromising material on Donald Trump, making him vulnerable to blackmail. The dossier was clearly important to the FBI probe. Its wild claims made up a significant section of the FBI’s application for a secret surveillance warrant on Mr. Page.
The Mueller report exposes the dossier claims as pure fiction. Yet in describing the actions of the Trump campaign figures the FBI accused, the report assiduously avoids any mention of the dossier or its allegations. Mr. Mueller refers to Mr. Steele and his work largely in passing, as part of the report’s description of how former FBI Director James Comey informed Mr. Trump of the dossier’s existence. The dossier is blandly described several times as “unverified allegations compiled” by Mr. Steele.
Once Mr. Mueller established that the dossier was a pack of lies, he should have investigated how it gained such currency at the highest levels of the FBI. Yet his report makes clear he had no interest in plumbing the antics of the bureau, which he led from 2001-13. Instead, he went out of his way to avoid the dossier and give cover to the FBI.
The special counsel had another, more pressing reason to look at the dossier: It fell within his core mission. Since its publication by BuzzFeed in January 2017, we’ve learned enough about Mr. Steele and Fusion GPS to wonder if the Russians used the dossier for their own malign purposes.
In the first telling, Mr. Steele was described by friendly media as simply a “former Western intelligence official” with a history at Britain’s overseas intelligence service. It turns out he worked in Russia. Mr. Steele spent his first years of service under diplomatic cover in Moscow, later in Paris. And in 1999 he was among 117 British spies whose covers were publicly blown by a disgruntled ex-MI6 officer.
The former spy, known to the public and therefore to Russia, also became known for sending reports to the U.S. government. Last year former Obama State Department official Jonathan Winer explained that in 2009 he became friendly with the self-employed Mr. Steele, and starting as early as 2013 ensured that “more than 100 of Steele’s reports” on Russia topics were shared with the State Department. Given that the dossier is largely based on Russian sources, some supposedly connected to the Kremlin, did the Kremlin know about this arrangement and see an opportunity to spoon-feed the U.S. government disinformation?
We’ve also learned more about Mr. Steele’s and Fusion’s connections to Russians. Mr. Steele sent a series of emails to Justice Department employee Bruce Ohr in 2016 inquiring about the status of a visa for Oleg Deripaska, an oligarch with Kremlin ties. Fusion GPS was working alongside Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who arranged the infamous meeting with Donald Trump Jr. in June 2016. Fusion was hired as part of a team to help Ms. Veselnitskaya undermine Bill Browder, the man behind the Magnitsky Act, a law that imposes sanctions on Russians for corruption and human-rights violations.
How did Mr. Mueller spend two years investigating every aspect of Russian interference—cyberhacking, social-media trolling, meetings with Trump officials—and not consider the possibility that the dossier was part of the Russian interference effort?
Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz and Attorney General William Barr may answer some of the questions Mr. Mueller refused to touch. Thanks to the special counsel we know Republicans weren’t playing footsie with Russians. But thanks to BuzzFeed, we know that Democrats were. America deserves to know how far that interaction extended.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rus...er-11556232721
- dilbert firestorm
- 04-27-2019, 05:29 PM
I bet Mueller refused to touch the steele dossier is that he maybe compromised in that area given his proximity to the Clintons with Unranium 1.