ftw and capitalism!!!

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a synonym for capitalism is freedom Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought
So if Trump is the face of capitalism then no wonder there is a mighty call for democratic socialism just like they have in the rest of the developed world.
We’ve had 3 yrs of failed policies.
He’s sat on his fat ass and does nothing but tweet and blame somebody else.
But what did you expect from a failed grifter of a businessman who’s gone BK 6 times, and can’t even get a loan from any US bank
So up steps the Russian mafia and you can bet they’ve got him by the gonads.
The sooner we get rid of this con man the better.
I'm going to try and be nice and hopefully explain what one might call irony I'm pointing out irony remember.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but the jest of what yall are saying is the USSR went broke.

My biggest concern for this nation is DEBT. I've been very consistent about that.

So does at least one of you three see the irony in your posts concerning my post?

A nation in debt to the tune of 23 Trillion and not a single plan by either party to address that continuing growing deficits has posters in a whore board political forum laughing at a nation that had a spending problem. Does just one of you not see the irony? One, just one of you?

Now bambino , please respond in a civil manner if you wish to readdress me going forward. Originally Posted by WTF
be as nice as you want

the USSR did go broke trying to keep up with us, but they tried in military technology not in taking care of their people, save the high ranking ones

their people didn't have the freedom to take care of their own basic unit, the family, which builds family on family, until there is a thriving nation

We certainly might go broke, and as soon as the dollar loses its acceptance, we will be broke

but capitalism isn't the reason the U.S. will be broke, its everything else we do that will be the cause, and cronyism isn't capitalism

from being the worlds policeman, to the welfare state however you might want to define that, all those things have added to our debt

some guy developing an operating system in his garage for profit is not the cause of our debt, nor is me drilling a well

the other day in another thread you were waving the debt off I believe, which is at odds with your post today, i glanced at it but its like so much of your stuff, an argument for the moment, and another one for the next moment
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  • 02-27-2020, 02:08 PM

the other day in another thread you were waving the debt off I believe, which is at odds with your post today, i glanced at it t Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought
You will not find a post of mine where what you said if true if all is taken in context.

Debt is the biggest threat to this country.

I've said for quite some time I want a Democrat in the WH and a GOP led House.

Prefer a Democratic led Senate but not critical.

The first two lead to lower deficits.
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You will not find a post of mine where what you said if true if all is taken in context.

Debt is the biggest threat to this country.

I've said for quite some time I want a Democrat in the WH and a GOP led House.

Prefer a Democratic led Senate but not critical.

The first two lead to lower deficits. Originally Posted by WTF



just not Bernie, right??
You will not find a post of mine where what you said if true if all is taken in context.

Debt is the biggest threat to this country.

I've said for quite some time I want a Democrat in the WH and a GOP led House.

Prefer a Democratic led Senate but not critical.

The first two lead to lower deficits. Originally Posted by WTF
i think it was about social security and someone stated social security wasn't a trust fund and wanted tangible assets in the fund or something

and you called them an idiot and said something like social security is as good as the united states

well in terms of social security then you were poo poo-ing the debt, as in it didn't t matter

when the discussion seemed to be about the soundness of social security
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  • 02-27-2020, 02:26 PM
i think it was about social security and someone stated social security wasn't a trust fund and wanted tangible assets in the fund or something

and you called them an idiot and said something like social security is as good as the united states

well in terms of social security then you were poo poo-ing the debt, as in it didn't t matter Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought
I was stating the facts that Social Security has not contributed a dime to the current debt.

I stated that under current law SS would not contribute a dime to the debt of this country going forward.

Maybe just maybe you will apologize for barely reading something and then posting misinformation.
I was stating the facts that Social Security has not contributed a dime to the current debt.

I stated that under current law SS would not contribute a dime to the debt of this country going forward.

Maybe just maybe you will apologize for barely reading something and then posting misinformation. Originally Posted by WTF
In essence, you are saying the the biggest government expenditure(social security/medicare/medicaid) does not contribute to the national debt.

Your explanation is that the ponzi scheme wizard has come to you in a dream, and told you so.

This is to sort of fundamental understanding that is looked for in our future leadership. Venezuela, here we come.

Every day, the hate filled, leftwing, fascist, racebaiting thugs astonish me. Every day.

There is no trust fund.
There is no trust fund.
There is no trust fund.

The social security, et.al. taxes have been spent on fufu dust, and their current collections do not cover the cost of those program.

There is no trust fund.

The future debt increases are almost completely due to parasites without savings retiring, and consuming the food from productive people's table. The problem is the parasite to productive ratio is going to fuck everyone.

He is correct in saying you don't give one fuck about our debt. You want to spend other peoples money because you can't help anyone yourself.

Again, what productive assets comprise "SS Trust Fund"?
I was stating the facts that Social Security has not contributed a dime to the current debt.

I stated that under current law SS would not contribute a dime to the debt of this country going forward.

Maybe just maybe you will apologize for barely reading something and then posting misinformation. Originally Posted by WTF
nah you should apologize for posting confusing crap
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  • 02-27-2020, 02:46 PM
In essence, you are saying the the biggest government expenditure(social security/medicare/medicaid) does not contribute to the national debt.
Originally Posted by kehaar
It has not contributed a dime to the national debt.

That you do not know this shows you do not understand how taxes and debt works in this country.
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  • 02-27-2020, 02:50 PM
nah you should apologize for posting confusing crap Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought
Listen addition and subtraction are confusing to the ignorant.

Many many people are ignorant with how our tax system works in this country. SS is a great example.

Most know little to nothing about its funding or laws.

Yet they use what little knowledge they have to spread lies and distortions and when they get called out....much like you just were, you blame me for your ignorance on a subject.

you blame me . Originally Posted by WTF
if the shoe fits

or maybe you can stretch your toes out wide like o j did his hand

but if you just saw these shoes,, baby blue patent leather booties, with a loop to pull them up tight...you'd squeal, "DIVINE!!!"

you'd be the talk of montrose
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It has not contributed a dime to the national debt.

That you do not know this shows you do not understand how taxes and debt works in this country. Originally Posted by WTF

still waiting for you to prove capitalism is responsible for the debt ..


and the part of the debt that is actually good ..
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  • 02-27-2020, 03:14 PM
Policy Basics: Understanding the Social Security Trust Funds

https://www.cbpp.org/research/social...ty-trust-funds


Few budgetary concepts generate as much unintended confusion and deliberate misinformation as the Social Security trust funds. Despite being described by some as “worthless IOUs,” the Social Security trust funds are invested in Treasury securities that are just as sound as all other U.S. government securities, held by investors around the globe and regarded as being among the world’s safest investments. Starting in 2020, Social Security will begin to draw down trust fund reserves to help pay for benefits. Although Social Security has a long-term financial shortfall that must be closed, the program’s combined trust funds will not be depleted until around 2035, which gives policymakers time to develop a carefully crafted financing plan.





UPDATED June 5, 2019




How Do the Trust Funds Work?

Social Security’s financial operations are handled through two federal trust funds — the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) trust fund and the Disability Insurance (DI) trust fund. Although legally distinct, they are often referred to collectively as “the Social Security trust fund.” All of Social Security’s payroll taxes and other earmarked income are deposited in the trust funds, and all of Social Security’s benefits and administrative expenses are paid from the trust funds.
Social Security is largely a “pay as you go” program, meaning today’s benefits are funded primarily by the payroll taxes collected from today’s workers. For over three decades, however, Social Security collected more in payroll taxes and other income than it paid in benefits and other expenses, and the Treasury invested the surplus in interest-bearing Treasury securities, ultimately reaching a total of nearly $2.9 trillion in trust fund reserves. In 2020, Social Security will begin redeeming those reserves to help pay benefits. Payroll taxes from current workers will continue to pay for the bulk of benefits. The trust fund reserves will make up the difference between income and costs until the reserves are depleted. At that point, Social Security’s income will still be able to pay 80 percent of promised benefits — even in the unlikely event that policymakers fail to act.
What Is the Trust Funds’ Financial Status?

Social Security is adequately financed in the short term but faces a modest long-term financial shortfall amounting to about 1 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) over the next 75 years, the period that the program’s actuaries use in evaluating the program’s long-term finances. Following the bipartisan Social Security financing deal in 1983, Social Security has run a surplus every year, and will continue to do so until 2020.
Starting in 2020, Social Security’s total cost will exceed its total income. However, the trust funds’ reserves will supplement the program’s income — from payroll taxes, income taxes on benefits paid to higher-income beneficiaries, and interest earned on the trust funds’ bonds — to enable Social Security to keep paying full benefits until 2035.
If Social Security’s trust funds run out of Treasury bonds to cash in, benefits would not stop — contrary to a common misunderstanding. At that point, if nothing else is done, Social Security could still pay 80 percent of promised benefits using its annual tax income. Of course, paying less than full benefits is not an acceptable way to run this vital program, and Congress will need to act to strengthen its long-term finances.
If Social Security’s trust funds run out of Treasury bonds to cash in, benefits would not stop — contrary to a common misunderstanding.

Most analyses of Social Security focus on the combined OASI and DI trust funds, since both are integral parts of Social Security, but the two trust funds are, in fact, separate. The DI trust fund faces exhaustion in 2052, and the much larger OASI fund is projected to last until 2034.
Is It Better to Act Sooner Rather Than Later?

Not necessarily. Some people mistakenly suggest that Social Security’s shortfall gets larger the longer policymakers wait to address it, but that’s only an artifact of the projections. The annual Social Security trustees’ report includes projections that span the next 75 years. Each year’s new report adds a year in which deficits are relatively large. This increases the estimated 75-year gap, even if the shortfall in each individual year of the projection remains the same.
That said, acting sooner to address the shortfall — whether by increasing Social Security’s income, reducing its benefits, or some combination of the two — would spread the burden over more generations of workers and beneficiaries and allow for smaller future adjustments. For example, if Social Security tax increases were phased in soon, current workers could contribute to restoring solvency. But if tax increases were delayed, they would fall entirely on younger workers, and the required increase would be larger. At the same time, however, future generations will be more prosperous and better able to afford adjustments. Policymakers will need to balance these competing concerns.
Acting sooner to strengthen Social Security’s financing would give workers plenty of notice about changes so that they can plan their work, saving, and retirement. It would also strengthen public confidence in the system by easing worries about its financing. Social Security faces no imminent crisis, however; policymakers have time to carefully craft a financing package that minimizes cuts to the program’s modest but critical benefits.
How Are the Trust Funds Invested?

The Social Security trust funds are invested entirely in U.S. Treasury securities. Like the Treasury bills, notes, and bonds purchased by private investors around the world, the Treasury securities that the trust funds hold are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government. The U.S. government has never defaulted on its obligations, and investors consider U.S. government securities one of the world’s safest investments.
By the end of 2018, the trust funds had accumulated nearly $2.9 trillion worth of Treasury securities, earning an average interest rate of 2.9 percent during that year. The Social Security Administration provides monthly reports on the investment holdings of the trust funds, their maturities, and interest rates. The trustees project that the trust funds will earn $82 billion in interest income in 2019.
Is the Federal Government “Raiding” the Trust Funds?

No. Some critics have suggested that lending trust fund reserves to the Treasury is a misuse of those funds. This view reflects a misunderstanding of how the Treasury manages the federal government’s finances.
When the rest of the budget is in deficit, a Social Security cash surplus allows the government to borrow less from the public to finance the deficit. (The “public” encompasses all lenders other than federal trust funds, including U.S. individuals and institutions, the Federal Reserve System, and foreign investors.) The Treasury always uses whatever cash is on hand — whether from Social Security contributions or other earmarked or non-earmarked sources — to meet its current obligations before engaging in additional borrowing from the public. There is no sensible alternative to this practice. After all, why should the Treasury borrow funds when it has cash in the till?
Money that the federal government borrows, whether from investors or from Social Security, is used to finance the ongoing operations of the government in the same way that money deposited in a bank is used to finance spending by consumers and businesses. In neither case does this represent a “raid” or misuse of the funds. The bank depositor will get his or her money back when needed, and so will the Social Security trust funds.





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Social Security, Retirement Security





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Capitalisms needs to pay for itself just like socialism or communism.

Remember the communists were ahead of this country in space technology. Originally Posted by WTF
Capitalism creates and socialism takes. Socialism can't pay it has to take fro the Capitalist to survive!!

The Commie tried to landed three probes on Venus..the first two total failures and the last one snapped a few worthless pics...cost hundreds of millions wasted. No other country would do something this stupid. So much from using money wisely. I don't expect you to understand that...just like capitalism needs to pay for itself...WHATEVER THAT NONSENSE IS SUPPOSE TO MEAN??
It has not contributed a dime to the national debt.

That you do not know this shows you do not understand how taxes and debt works in this country. Originally Posted by WTF
The debt was created by the Capitalist society and will be saved by the Socialist/ Communist bernie