It won't be long now...

Facts and logic matter not to the DPST's.

I wish they were reasonable people who can understand and respond to logical debate.

sad, hard truth - they are indoctrinated machine robots who can only regurgitate their NY and WacomPost narratives.

such a shame and waste.

All one hears of them are obscenities, name-calling, scatology and hostility to anything remotely resembling Factual Truth.

It's kind of funny, when a Republican says all politicians lie, we get "yeah but not as many as Trump". Which begs the question, since all politicians lie, as speed reminded us in another post, is it the number of lies we care about and what is that number where your lies become "to much"? Or is it the subject matter or consequences of the lie. Do I care that Trump lied about the number of people at his inauguration? Nope, no consequences to that lie at all. How about Obama saying that every American will see a $2500 reduction in their health care insurance or that you can keep your doctor and your plan if you support Obama care? Did that have consequences? Maybe not but I would say it was more consequential than the number of people at an inauguration.


Then what do we do about all the lies like "Trump recommended injecting disinfectant". Of course he didn't "recommend it" but did ask the question. How many so called lies like that exist?


So if all politicians lie and the number means nothing because you either lie or you don't, I base my vote on policies and so should you.


Her are 17 lies Biden has told. Is this under the threshold for the left?


https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...aker=joe-biden


Or how about lying about what you thought about going to war?



http://inthesetimes.com/article/2226...-2020-iraq-war


In His Lies, Joe Biden Is Sounding a Lot Like Trump

While Joe Biden has promised a break from Trumpism, when it comes to his record, the former vice president has shown an utter disregard for the truth.


So if your slogan for 2020 is "my guy lies less often than your guy", good luck with that.

Thanks HF - DPST's are hypocritical about Lies and their lies of the LSM.

They get caught out - and just Deny, deflect, and move on to more Lies.

Orwellian - isn't it - I await their introduction of Biden as Big Brother!


Still - we pay our politicians to lie to us, and they do a damn good job of it.

Facts and logic matter not to the DPST's.


All one hears of them are obscenities, name-calling, scatology and hostility to anything remotely resembling Factual Truth. Originally Posted by oeb11

once again you've nailed it

first in what I typed previously I never said trump doesn't lie

I said that conservatives have a basic fealty to truth that leftists don't have, which is, granted, opinion, but I hold to that

in broad historical contexts its been proven to be so. take the leftists in the old soviet union or in china today, yes we might conceal things from ourselves but they lie about things great and small

do I detect trump lying , well yes at times

at other times he exaggerates or gets carried away and his opposition calls everything, including differences of opinion, his lies.


now, I happen to think that there are grades of lies, maybe not theologically speaking, but in earthly interactions I think it to be so

and trumps lies are more of the effusive exaggerations type, ones that support him in a personal way

while American leftist lies are more consequential and are designed to conceal their true nature and intention in furtherance of goals they cant admit just yet

and are much more consequential

and if a conservative supports trump, does trump saying a provable incorrect thing prove wrong a conservatives basic fealty to truth, no. it merely is more a reflection of the worthlessness of the alternative

do conservatives tend to not lie in great matters? I think so

would conservatives frame people to keep power, no I don't think so

do conservatives have a basic fealty to truth and leftists not so much? I think so

is right or wrong or truth more set in a conservative's soul as opposed to the nebulous subjections taught American youth by leftist professors, yeah

...So if your slogan for 2020 is "my guy lies less often than your guy", good luck with that.
Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Biden: 'Republicans May Have Standards, But We Have Double Standards'

PHILADELPHIA, PA—During a campaign speech Tuesday, Joe Biden proudly declared that while Republicans have at least some standards, Democrats are going above and beyond with their "double standards."

Biden pointed out that by having two sets of standards, Democrats are leading the race for having the most sets of standards.

"That's two times as many standards," he said proudly. "Double is a lot more than single. Anyone who's ever watched a baseball game knows that."...

...Not to be outdone, Trump quickly took to Twitter to announce that the Republican Party would shortly be debuting its brand new triple standards.

Basement Joe seems to be reading talking points that were written for him. His only chance depends on no direct unassisted confrontation against President Trump. Biden'll turn into a stuttering mess.

once again you've nailed it

first in what I typed previously I never said trump doesn't lie

I said that conservatives have a basic fealty to truth that leftists don't have, which is, granted, opinion, but I hold to that

in broad historical contexts its been proven to be so. take the leftists in the old soviet union or in china today, yes we might conceal things from ourselves but they lie about things great and small

do I detect trump lying , well yes at times

at other times he exaggerates or gets carried away and his opposition calls everything, including differences of opinion, his lies.


now, I happen to think that there are grades of lies, maybe not theologically speaking, but in earthly interactions I think it to be so

and trumps lies are more effusive exaggerations or ones that support him in a personal way

while American leftist lies are more consequential and are designed to conceal their true nature and intention in furtherance of goals they cant admit just yet

and are much more consequential

and if a conservative supports trump, does him saying a provable incorrect thing, prove wrong ta conservatives basic fealty to truth, no. it merely is more a reflection of the worthlessness of the alternative

do conservatives tend to not lie in great matters? I think so

would conservatives frame people to keep power, no I don't think so

do conservatives have a basic fealty to truth and leftists not so much? I think so

is right or wrong or truth more set in a conservative's soul than the nebulous subjections taught American youth by leftist professors, yeah Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

I tend to agree with most of what you say but what is important IMHO, is that we the people decide that neither side gets away with using the FBI and DOJ to hurt political opponents. That is a bridge to far. Sure, we expect politicians to exaggerate and to yes, lie to us but these "lies" must be put into perspective as I have tried to do comparing lying about a crowd size to lying about consequential matters like "you'll be able to keep your doctor and health care plan". I knew that could not be true so how could Obama not know he was speaking a lie which much of the media finally recognized and made that one "lie of the year".


I think it has become obvious and will become even more obvious that the Obama administration fearing that not only would the next President tear down everything Obama tried to put in place which of course is usually why we elect "the next" President from the other party because the previous party put in play things many belief went to far, but because the next President would find out what was done to try and stop him meaning Trump.


That's why General Flynn had to go. Obama proved he didn't care a wit about letting go "scot-free" someone who lied to the FBI because he pardoned General Cartwright before he could serve a day in jail and has the audacity, hopping I guess that nobody would figure it out, to say that there is no precedent for letting go somebody who has admitted they lied to the FBI WHICH HE DID! How's that for chutzpah!



Obama complains about AG Barr violating "institutional norms". OMG! Do the names Eric "Fast and Furious", Wingman, Holder and Loretta "I'll meet you on the tarmac"Lynch ring any bells President Obama? Or how about James Comey your Director of the FBI violating "institutional norms" which I think records are now showing us you had full knowledge of, sending FBI agents into the White House without going through WH council something Comey acknowledged wasn't the norm but setting up Flynn was the goal so "institutional norms" were merely an obstacle to the plan.


That's some set of balls you got there Barack but you hope nobody will notice and know that "your people" don't give a shit while those same people complain that Trump could shoot somebody on 5th avenue in broad daylight and get away with it.


Let's see if you "get away with it". Barack. This should not stand, this can not stand no matter what your party affiliation is.


During the impeachment hearing when Adam Schiff gave us his "parody" of Trump's phone call, I told my Democrat friend that if Trump had actually said to the President of Ukraine, "I want you to get dirt on Biden and I don't care if you have to make it up", my hand would be up for impeachment, no hesitation because that would be such a violation of our principals that he could not remain in office. After all, setting somebody up using lies and illegal tactics is a bridge to far.


Wouldn't you agree?

Wouldn't you agree? Originally Posted by HedonistForever

certainly I agree

our posts touch on the same aspects and are complimentary