Do you trust the FBI?

dilbert firestorm's Avatar
Seems like they have been setting up citizens for years. 1/6 perhaps?


https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-...m-cases-2016-6 Originally Posted by bambino
The FBI is 'manufacturing terrorism cases' on a greater scale than ever before

Caroline Simon
Jun 9, 2016, 5:48 PM

The FBI has ramped up its use of sting operations in terrorism cases, dispatching undercover agents to pose as jihadists and ensnare Americans suspected of backing ISIS, aka the Islamic State, Daesh, or ISIL.

On Thursday, roughly 67% of prosecutions involving suspected ISIS supporters include evidence from undercover operations, according to The New York Times.

In many cases, agents will seek out people who have somehow demonstrated radical views, and then coax them into plotting an act of terrorism — often providing weapons and money. Before the suspects can carry out their plans, though, they're arrested.

But critics say that the FBI's tactics serve to entrap only individuals who would never have committed any violence without the government's instigation.

"They're manufacturing terrorism cases," Michael German, a former undercover agent with the FBI who now researches national-security law at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, told The Times. "These people are five steps away from being a danger to the United States."

'They target people who are genuinely psychotic'

Increasingly, experts are worried that undercover operations of this kind infringe on the rights of Americans.

Stephen Downs, an attorney and founding member of Project Salam, which gives legal support to Muslims, told Business Insider that "the government has developed a technique of engaging targets in conversations of a somewhat provocative nature, and then trying to pick up on things the target says, which might suggest illegal activity — and then trying to push them into pursuing those particular activities."

Downs also said that the FBI often targets particularly vulnerable people, such as those with mental disabilities.

"Very often, they [the FBI] target people who are genuinely psychotic, who are taking medication," he said.

Last March, The Intercept profiled 25-year-old Sami Osmakac, who was "broke and struggling with mental illness" when he became the target of an FBI sting operation.

"The FBI provided all of the weapons seen in Osmakac's martyrdom video," The Intercept reported. "The bureau also gave Osmakac the car bomb he allegedly planned to detonate, and even money for a taxi so he could get to where the FBI needed him to go."

A recent study cited by BuzzFeed examined undercover operations for signs of entrapment by looking at terrorism prosecutions dating back to 9/11.

The study coded each case for up to 20 signals that an individual had been a victim of this kind of entrapment, such as whether the defendant had no previous involvement in terrorism or whether they had been given some kind of monetary incentive to commit a crime.

The vast majority of the 317 cases involving undercover operations contained signs of entrapment.

Countless legal challenges have been made against these prosecutions, and facts supporting an entrapment defense are "pretty widespread," Jesse Norris, a legal scholar at SUNY Fredonia and the study’s leader, told BuzzFeed.

'We're ... trying to figure out where the lines are'

While no case has ever been thrown out on the basis of this kind of entrapment, judges have taken notice and raised concerns over the danger of entrapping otherwise innocent individuals in sting operations.

"I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there would have been no crime here, except the government instigated it, planned it and brought it to fruition," Judge Colleen McMahon of the US District Court in Manhattan said in 2011.

She was referring to the "Newburgh Four" case — a yearlong operation that began with an informant infiltrating a Newburgh, New York, mosque and ended with the arrest of four men who tried to launch a missile at an air base and two synagogues.

Three years later, Human Rights Watch released a report expressing concern over law enforcement's "discriminatory and overly aggressive investigations using informants," noting that targets for these operations are often chosen based on specific political or religious indicators, such as if they are Muslim.

Still, others believe that the entrapment method can ultimately make us safer.

Karen Greenberg, for example, author of "Rogue Justice: The Making of the Security State," believes that the "tension between security and liberty" that can result from these tactics is a good thing.

"The amount of money, time, and resources that have been put into rethinking law enforcement since 9/11 has made us safer," she told Business Insider in an interview. "And now we're sort of trying to figure out where the lines are."

Michael Steinbach, who leads the National Security Branch of the FBI, wasn't immediately available for comment.

But he told The Times that "we're not just going to wait for the person to mobilize on his own time line," adding that the FBI couldn't "just sit and wait knowing the individual is actively plotting."
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
Federal Protection of “Oath Keepers” Kingpin Stewart Rhodes Breaks The Entire Capitol “Insurrection” Lie Wide Open

https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/st...o-conspirator/
Ripmany's Avatar
There allies seem to Treet me OK never did any thing for me but did not screw me. Even time been investigated by FBI there ask me a few questions and approve me. It don't mean I think will in future. There go from what cops say not what courts say about you. For example that keep you arrest record. And you have to prove it with court records.
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There allies seem to Treet me OK never did any thing for me but did not screw me. Even time been investigated by FBI there ask me a few questions and approve me. It don't mean I think will in future. There go from what cops say not what courts say about you. For example that keep you arrest record. And you have to prove it with court records. Originally Posted by Ripmany
You were investigated by the FBI, Rip?

I'd like to hear how that happened.

Do tell.
rexdutchman's Avatar
Ruby Ridge. is just one of many "issues"
Ripmany's Avatar
You were investigated by the FBI, Rip?

I'd like to hear how that happened.

Do tell.
Originally Posted by Strokey_McDingDong
Yes I got the job and did some government work on temporary bases for 8 weeks of work at government minwage plus $1. Had to be fingered printed, and ask about all my arrest that had no charges.
Rule#1 "Trust No One".
dilbert firestorm's Avatar
Yes I got the job and did some government work on temporary bases for 8 weeks of work at government minwage plus $1. Had to be fingered printed, and ask about all my arrest that had no charges. Originally Posted by Ripmany
not something you mention on a hooker board.
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What if I told you that the FBI raided someone’s home in Maricopa County in connection to a cyber attack on election data❓

On the morning of November 5, as the 2020 election hung in the balance, Arizona federal agents raided a two-story house in Fountain Hills, Maricopa County.

The agents were looking for evidence of a cyberattack on an unnamed organization and stolen voter data. They left with eight hard drives, three computers, and a bag of USB sticks. The resident of the property, a 56-year-old IT expert named Elliot Kerwin, was served the warrant.

According to the warrant, investigators were looking for records, information, and communications related to the office’s:

*Login credentials and accounts.
*Voter registration records and information, including protected voters’ data.
*The transfer, sharing or dissemination of voter registration records and information, including protected voters’ information.
*Unauthorized access to the office’s website and computer systems.
*Attempts or threats to damage computer systems.

Does this have anything to do with the breach of election data that Matt Deperno says Katie Hobbs has been covering up❓

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasb...h=457840f234a4

@KanekoaTheGreat


Those rascals
Chung Tran's Avatar
Not since Ruby Ridge. Originally Posted by gnadfly
Not since Erskine and Colby.
Federal Protection of “Oath Keepers” Kingpin Stewart Rhodes Breaks The Entire Capitol “Insurrection” Lie Wide Open

https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/st...o-conspirator/ Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm
I get the "Oath Keepers" and "Promise Keepers" confused.

To save people from reading the article Rhodes runs the Oath Keepers. He, like the FBI, seem to be full of hot air.

FTA:

Even the FBI has appeared skeptical of Stewart Rhodes’s ascension from 28-year old car valet with one eye and no college education to a prize-winning Yale School Law graduate turned founder of America’s largest militia. A January 9, 2014 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) document refers to Stewart Rhodes’s background from paratrooping to Yale with only the words “allegedly,” along with redacting every other detail that could prove useful to corroborating such history...

In other words: boogieman with web access.
  • oeb11
  • 07-08-2021, 05:15 PM
The next DPST deflection : nixon's 'Plumbers' at teh Watergate hotel.
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dilbert firestorm's Avatar
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...sharingbuttons Originally Posted by bambino

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Ripmany's Avatar
Hell No!

Back when they were(trying to) railroad President Trump, we kept hearing…….”It’s not the guys in the field, it’s the leadership”.

Bullshit. The field agents are a bunch of bureaucratic shit heads too. I don’t trust any of them. Originally Posted by Jackie S
Becise Trump do I trust the FBI not any more than any other police especially it more than a background check. It not like vallybrook or Chandler or some small town Oklahoma where I would be scared to drive past them or talk to them. But there will hide exonerating evidence.