computer chip production

I thought you said you were smart and well rounded? Presidents make $400,000 and I never said he took the job for that. Originally Posted by bypass

I know how much Presidents earn. I was just using the figures in your quote and was being nice not to point out you used the wrong one

This is ultimately going to force more regional-focused production. Happens every time you end up with too much production put into one area and a catastrophe shows why you don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Better yet, STOP making bombs.

Better yet, STOP making bombs. Originally Posted by Pixle

Make love not war

Better yet, STOP making bombs. Originally Posted by Pixle

Make love not war Originally Posted by Pixle

Then what are we going to spend all that (checks google) $778,000,000,000,000.00 on??? Social welfare? Modernizing infrastructure? Going green? Healthcare?


Naw naw just divy that up between the trillionaires and call it a day.

From another web page:

Why can’t chip manufacturers just increase output to meet demand?

In short, a perfect storm of problems has hit the semiconductor industry. Much of the world’s supply of computer chips comes from Taiwan, and most are made by the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), which has been dealt a double whammy.

Compounding the pandemic trouble is the trade war between the US and China. US chip firm Xilinx has had to suspend some sales to Chinese consumer electronics company Huawei after then-President Donald Trump put Huawei on a trade blacklist over national security fears. China is now working on building up its own production of chips. The US is doing the same, and getting TSMC to build a $12 billion chip factory on its own shores. Everyone wants to be able to guarantee their own supply of chips, and the current shortage has made it an even higher priority.

As if that wasn’t enough, the weather is also against many chip-makers. The manufacturing process requires lots of water. TSMC makes chips for dozens of companies and churns through 156,000 tonnes of water a day normally. But there are serious droughts in Taiwan at the moment, reservoirs are drying up and the firm is now bringing water to the factory in trucks.

And there’s still more. A fire struck a chip factory in Japan in October, while an unseasonably cold snap in Texas also temporarily shut down plants there.

Me: So part of the blame is on the weather.

From another web page:

Why can’t chip manufacturers just increase output to meet demand?

In short, a perfect storm of problems has hit the semiconductor industry. Much of the world’s supply of computer chips comes from Taiwan, and most are made by the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), which has been dealt a double whammy.

Compounding the pandemic trouble is the trade war between the US and China. US chip firm Xilinx has had to suspend some sales to Chinese consumer electronics company Huawei after then-President Donald Trump put Huawei on a trade blacklist over national security fears. China is now working on building up its own production of chips. The US is doing the same, and getting TSMC to build a $12 billion chip factory on its own shores. Everyone wants to be able to guarantee their own supply of chips, and the current shortage has made it an even higher priority.

As if that wasn’t enough, the weather is also against many chip-makers. The manufacturing process requires lots of water. TSMC makes chips for dozens of companies and churns through 156,000 tonnes of water a day normally. But there are serious droughts in Taiwan at the moment, reservoirs are drying up and the firm is now bringing water to the factory in trucks.

And there’s still more. A fire struck a chip factory in Japan in October, while an unseasonably cold snap in Texas also temporarily shut down plants there.

Me: So part of the blame is on the weather. Originally Posted by Pixle

^^ This is the main reason, not necessarily who is in office.
We should stop blaming the (current or former) POTUS - US consumers what cheaper products, so companies source what they can from wherever they can. If businesses 'sourced' their chips from the US, many consumers wouldn't buy products because it's too expensive. Blame business, not POTUS.

The pandemic has taught us a valuable lesson and I hope that US consumers realize that they're going to pay more for products where every part (or most) is sourced on US soil...because we 'civilized folk' demand higher wages than 3rd world countries do.

^^ This is the main reason, not necessarily who is in office.
We should stop blaming the (current or former) POTUS - US consumers what cheaper products, so companies source what they can from wherever they can. If businesses 'sourced' their chips from the US, many consumers wouldn't buy products because it's too expensive. Blame business, not POTUS.

The pandemic has taught us a valuable lesson and I hope that US consumers realize that they're going to pay more for products where every part (or most) is sourced on US soil...because we 'civilized folk' demand higher wages than 3rd world countries do. Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

In terms of chips and circuit boards for our defense and military, u dont blame business you blame the morons in charge and anyone who cant see that is blind and or retarded
And that isnt directed at anyone in particular

In terms of chips and circuit boards for our defense and military, u dont blame business you blame the morons in charge and anyone who cant see that is blind and or retarded
And that isnt directed at anyone in particular Originally Posted by chizzy

I blame all that run this country. They are all a POS, to bad we can't fire them all and start over. They are all getting rich and screwing us big time.

In terms of chips and circuit boards for our defense and military, u dont blame business you blame the morons in charge and anyone who cant see that is blind and or retarded
And that isnt directed at anyone in particular Originally Posted by chizzy

Okay so your local Chevy dealership has 3 new cars on the lot because the US gov't bought up all the computer chips for their tanks, bombs, ships and planes?

At least you can still get your new iPhone.

Okay so your local Chevy dealership has 3 new cars on the lot because the US gov't bought up all the computer chips for their tanks, bombs, ships and planes?

At least you can still get your new iPhone. Originally Posted by yinzerpgh

I dont understand your reply to what i said.........


In terms of chips and circuit boards for our defense and military, u dont blame business you blame the morons in charge and anyone who cant see that is blind and or retarded
And that isnt directed at anyone in particular

maybe i need to spell it out for you

when dealing with our countries military and planes and ships and machinery needed to protect our country, it is moronic to let another country produce the curcuits and chips that run these items.... that is not businesses , thats a goverment decision and a very stupid one

how hard is that to understand?

I dont understand your reply to what i said.........

In terms of chips and circuit boards for our defense and military, u dont blame business you blame the morons in charge and anyone who cant see that is blind and or retarded
And that isnt directed at anyone in particular

maybe i need to spell it out for you

when dealing with our countries military and planes and ships and machinery needed to protect our country, it is moronic to let another country produce the curcuits and chips that run these items.... that is not businesses, thats a government decision and a very stupid one

how hard is that to understand? Originally Posted by chizzy

Chizzy... many of our weapons systems contain thousands of key components, any one of which can derail production if in short supply. So it's not just chips. While I agree we should try to on-shore more of the work involved, we can't possibly do 100% of our defense manufacturing in the US. If we tried to do that, it would mean much slower deliveries at much higher costs. In my opinion, taxpayers are already over-paying for most of our defense contracts.

As far as the auto snafus are concerned, this is from my post #4 in this thread quoting the WSJ:

"With microcontrollers for auto makers, TSMC has been privately frustrated by the industry’s insistence that it give priority to its orders, people familiar with the matter said. Auto makers curtailed their own orders last year as the pandemic started. By the time demand snapped back, TSMC had committed capacity elsewhere."

Sounds to me like the auto makers fucked up and deserve much of the blame here. Why did they have to cancel their chip orders last year? Why couldn't they have continued to take delivery and stored those chips, while waiting for auto demand to snap back? Yeah yeah, I know I'm Monday-morning quarterbacking, but they made a dumb call.