Bravo Gov DeSantis

Seems not everyone agrees with your typically myopic view of blame. https://www.businessinsider.com/kabu...enghazi-2021-8

But again, RWW rules of evidence apply to the majority here: if it makes a RWW look bad, scream FAKE NEWS and change the topic. You're a good little Zombie. Originally Posted by Old-T

The headline form the article you posted.


Afghanistan: Former advisor to Mike Pence warned in 2020 that Trump was setting up another 'Benghazi'



And Joe Biden had no other option than to follow through? Is that what you are telling us? Joe Biden was "locked in" to a Trump deal and couldn't get out of it? Really? And where is there any proof at all that this was Trump's plan and not Biden's?

Do you normally have a problem with the difference between current stats vs cumulative stats? It seems you do. Maybe when you claim to "check the stats" you should actually check the stats being referenced. But no, those would not support your agenda so you hunt around until you find some you think will. Originally Posted by Old-T

I think my second post was cumulative, right?


And you are going to lecture me on supporting an agenda? When it is obvious that New York and California have as serious if not more serious problems than Florida but all you want to talk about is CNN and MSNBC new whipping boy because of the very real threat DeSantis poses against Biden? No wonder you are so worried. Did you see where the new Gov. of New York has added 12,000 new deaths due to Covid that Cuomo tried to hide? I guess that headline didn't sufficiently impress you enough to post it.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/new-york-governor-reveals-12000-more-covid-19-deaths-than-previously-counted-2021-08-25/


New York governor reveals 12,000 more COVID-19 deaths than previously counted


New York Governor Kathy Hochul revealed 12,000 more people died of COVID-19 than was reported under her disgraced predecessor, making good on her promise for greater transparency on just her second day leading the state.


The state is now reporting a total of 55,400 people died in New York from coronavirus, based on data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Hochul said in a statement.
That's an increase of 12,000 over the 43,400 reported by Andrew Cuomo as of his last day in office before resigning in disgrace amid a sexual harassment scandal.



See anybody moving from Florida to New York and California? Nope, it's the other way around because Florida's economy is booming. One of the biggest growth industries in Florida is STORAGE. There are so many people moving to Florida that the storage companies are running out of space for people to ship their belongings to.


The real estate industry here in Florida says they have never witnessed anything like what is happening here. People are going on the internet buying homes un-seen. No walk through, no problem, I just need a home in Florida because that is where my new job is.


Yep, our Governor has chosen personal freedom as to what can be mandated be put in your body. It will be interesting to see if this elevates him or ends his career. Personally, though vaccinated and wearing a mask indoors, my choce, I support the Governor and there are plenty of Floridian's as well us citizens in Blue states who I see on the news every night, who support DeSantis. Could be 30 million or more. I wonder how many of them are Independents and Democrats?


You worry about your state and I'll worry about mine

HF - Presenting facts, Truth, reason, and Logic to indoctrinated DPST marxists

Is futile!!!!!


Save your efforts - the marxist Commies are a lost cause.

Was the topic economies? I didn't think it was.

But then that is the norm for the big volume semi-permanent dwellers here.

No, the topic was the uncontrolled comeback of COVID in states that are heavily unvaccinated (and stupid about anything that resembles crowds).

Since FL & TX keep being in the news for such activity, even to the point of sending patients out of state because their own ICUs are saturated, it is quite easy to find exciting (in a bad sense of the word) current situations in FL & TX. Here is one for example:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...?ocid=msedgntp

It would be a lot easier to let FL worry about FL except for one problem: people don't travel to FL and stay there. They travel to FL, do stupid things, and then export their disease back to people who try to be safe.

Over the last two weeks there has been a drastic local spike. No ICU beds to be had because they are filled to overflowing by a bunch of Evangelical idiots went to FL to pack in shoulder to shoulder with no masks and "trust God". Guess what happened a week after they returned? And how many other people with COVID were traced back to contact with that group--many of whom, unvaccinated, insisted they had no need to take precautions to keep others safe. No, THEIR "freedom" to be stupid allows them to infect/sicken/kill others. Just like the bible says: Thou Shalt Not Kill--unless it would be inconvenient for you. Love Thy Neighbor--and show it by giving them unwanted deadly gifts. The hypocrisy of a some bible thumpers acting that way does seem blatant, but then that's not a surprise. They give a really bad name to the true Christian followers, but that's a whole different conversation.

So pointing out the stupidity--and what should be criminality--in places like FL actually IS worrying about my state.

SO tell me, what IS the difference between:

"It's MY RIGHT to not be vaccinated or wear a mask, it's YOUR responsibility to stay away from me in public."

and

"It's MY RIGHT to enjoy a few drinks and drive home, it's YOUR responsibility to stay away from me on the road."

Very little, except the RWWs have not started a campaign to repeal DUI laws. At least not yet.

But one of my long lasting memories of my four years of hell living in FL was every morning driving to work on a two lane road. I would often be behind this redneck in a beaten up pickup with a gun rack. That's fine, but at 6 AM he's popping open beer can after beer can, quickly downing it, and tossing it out the window as he drives. Typically I could count 4+ beer can's he would finish on the 15 mile drive. He made the local news more than once because people kept calling the cops and complaining about it. The police chief's reply was basically, "There's no law against drinking and driving so long as he's not drunk. And I'm not going to have my officers drive around looking to site him for littering."

That's the same attitude then that is evident in DeSantos now.

Enjoy the blood on One's hands seasoning the burgers.

Since florida is so horrible - marxist Fool - please - Move to venezuela. forthwith

You deserve each other.

HF - Presenting facts, Truth, reason, and Logic to indoctrinated DPST marxists

Is futile!!!!!


Save your efforts - the marxist Commies are a lost cause.
Originally Posted by oeb11

Since you like data, here are the actual CURRENT stats for TX & FL vs NY & NJ. I picked NY & NJ because those were two of the states HF ranted about as being so much worse than his beloved FL.

Just as HF says, there is a HUGE difference. Unfortunately he must have been looking at it with his eyes closed. You don't have to close your eyes. You have never met data you weren't willing to ignore if you didn't like it.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hos...-trend/florida

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hos...ay-trend/texas

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hos...end/new-jersey

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hos...trend/new-york


(I am sure you will make some absurd comment the Johns Hopkins is a communist source.)

The more One shows communist DPST truth adn FACTS - the more dug into their Xinn idiotology they are
So SAD - the brain death of teh indoctrinated marxist Fools

So you DO think Johns Hopkins is a communist conspiracy. Yep, it was obvious you would reply that way.

Was the topic economies? I didn't think it was.


Was the topic drunk rednecks who I assume you think are all Floridians?

But one of my long lasting memories of my four years of hell living in FL was every morning driving to work on a two lane road. I would often be behind this redneck in a beaten up pickup with a gun rack.

The reason economics is in play in this discussion is because it also points out the freedom of people to chose to move to this terrible place of Florida because COVID is here in a place where a large number of people value their freedom to chose. Last time I looked, nobody is forced to come to Florida and if you are worried about un-vaccinated people, get vaccinated and wear a mask like I do. Isn't that what they tell us will keep you safe?


But then that is the norm for the big volume semi-permanent dwellers here.

No, the topic was the uncontrolled comeback of COVID in states that are heavily unvaccinated (and stupid about anything that resembles crowds).


https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html



22. Florida
Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,138,433
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 51.86


Let's do a little math here, carry the one......OK, that's better than 28 states but you insist Florida is the worst, huh? And what state are you in again?


Since FL & TX keep being in the news for such activity, even to the point of sending patients out of state because their own ICUs are saturated, it is quite easy to find exciting (in a bad sense of the word) current situations in FL & TX. Here is one for example:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...?ocid=msedgntp

It would be a lot easier to let FL worry about FL except for one problem: people don't travel to FL and stay there. They travel to FL, do stupid things, and then export their disease back to people who try to be safe.


Oh, so you want laws that forbid people the right to travel because last time I looked, every state has COVID case. If you are vaccinated and masked, you are safe aren't you?


Over the last two weeks there has been a drastic local spike. No ICU beds to be had because they are filled to overflowing by a bunch of Evangelical idiots went to FL to pack in shoulder to shoulder with no masks and "trust God". Guess what happened a week after they returned? And how many other people with COVID were traced back to contact with that group--many of whom, unvaccinated, insisted they had no need to take precautions to keep others safe. No, THEIR "freedom" to be stupid allows them to infect/sicken/kill others. Just like the bible says: Thou Shalt Not Kill--unless it would be inconvenient for you. Love Thy Neighbor--and show it by giving them unwanted deadly gifts. The hypocrisy of a some bible thumpers acting that way does seem blatant, but then that's not a surprise. They give a really bad name to the true Christian followers, but that's a whole different conversation.


Also not the topic of this thread.


So pointing out the stupidity--and what should be criminality--in places like FL actually IS worrying about my state.


Oh, so you think it should be a criminal offense if you refuse to be vaccinated? Now we are getting to the heart of your "beliefs", authoritarian, "do it or be jailed". So tell us, which state has passed a law that says if you don't get vaccinated, you will be jailed?


SO tell me, what IS the difference between:

"It's MY RIGHT to not be vaccinated or wear a mask, it's YOUR responsibility to stay away from me in public."

and

"It's MY RIGHT to enjoy a few drinks and drive home, it's YOUR responsibility to stay away from me on the road."


The difference is (A) you are being told by the government to inject something into your body that you do not want for medical, religious and personal reasons. You know, the essence of being American. ( B ) There are laws that say you can not drink and drive and I'll ask you once again, in what State does the law say that you either get vaccinated or go to jail? I'll wait.


Very little, except the RWWs have not started a campaign to repeal DUI laws. At least not yet.


Never met a single person that wants to repeal drunk driving laws especially someone holding political office so I think you are safe on that count.


But one of my long lasting memories of my four years of hell living in FL was every morning driving to work on a two lane road. I would often be behind this redneck in a beaten up pickup with a gun rack. That's fine, but at 6 AM he's popping open beer can after beer can, quickly downing it, and tossing it out the window as he drives. Typically I could count 4+ beer can's he would finish on the 15 mile drive. He made the local news more than once because people kept calling the cops and complaining about it. The police chief's reply was basically, "There's no law against drinking and driving so long as he's not drunk. And I'm not going to have my officers drive around looking to site him for littering."

That's the same attitude then that is evident in DeSantos now. Originally Posted by Old-T

Sounds like "the law to me" or do you want Sheriffs to arrest anybody that has had a drink even if it doesn't meet the limit set by state law? Damn, you are one tough authoritarian dude. There is no law in Florida or any other State I'm aware of, where the law says you can be jailed if you don't get vaccinated and that law won't be coming to Florida any time soon, thankfully.


There are 156 million Americans still un-vaccinated and they aren't all in Florida so you better stay home and lock your doors because you never know when or where you'll run into one of those 156 million people. And Good luck.

You are amazing at times.

YOU brought up FL economy, and defend it here again. By then you claim my comments about FL in general are out of bounds.

Did I say the beer drinking redneck should have been arrested? No, I didn't. It was a commentary on the mindset of FL. Goes along with your FL mindset comments.

Did I say there should be a law against travel? No. But the issue is responsibility. You seem fixated on "freedom" but want to give a pass on responsibility. A person chooses to ignore taking reasonable steps to protect others they should be held accountable when others are injured. Like a drunk driver who kills someone. Like a person who knowingly exposes someone else to AIDS. Like a person who knowingly leaves their gun for their kid to get hold of and shoot up a school. Like a person who knowingly exposes others to COVID. Very consistent--but not to gun nuts and COVID deniers.

And you still seem to have problems with interpretation of stats. Let's try a different graphic:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...cans-by-state/

What do the top 16 states show? 15 of the 16 are: ND, TN, SD, AR, FL, LA, UT, MS, AZ, SC, AL, OK, GA, IA, WY. Any commonality with their state politics? Yes, RI is there too. 1 out of 16.

If I remember my 1st grade counting, there are not 28 states with worse numbers than FL. But maybe the new math in FL counts differently, who knows.

Is the irrrelevance of LM posting under another name???
Seems so.

So you DO think Johns Hopkins is a communist conspiracy. Yep, it was obvious you would reply that way. Originally Posted by Old-T

and - it is obvious to all but brain -dead marxist DPSTs i wrote no such allegation.

typical Lying, word-twisting and absent of meaning DPST posting
Looks like LM - argumentative till teh end under a different name

I am sure you will make some absurd comment the Johns Hopkins is a communist source Originally Posted by Old-T

John Hopkins Covid Map is just data Miami Tampa Orlando Go to any state and look at which cities All democrat run cities with young minorities less than 30% vaccinated. Nothing has changed in the last 30 years All democrat run cities have all the problems

Originally Posted by Old-T
I am sure you will make some absurd comment the Johns Hopkins is a communist source



Arguments predicated on what a marxist DPST ascribes another poster thinks - are complete nonsense
As is their idotology.

as is the DPST propaganda
As are their nonsense filled minds.

You are amazing at times.

Thank you

YOU brought up FL economy, and defend it here again. By then you claim my comments about FL in general are out of bounds.

If mine were out of bounds, so were yours. Simple logic. Don't repeat what you criticized another for doing.

Did I say the beer drinking redneck should have been arrested? No, I didn't.

Did you imply that the beer drinking redneck should be arrested, YES, you did.

It was a commentary on the mindset of FL

That they don't arrest beer drinking rednecks, yeah, we heard you.

Did I say there should be a law against travel? No.

You implied that it would be a good thing to have.

So pointing out the stupidity--and what should be criminality--in places like FL

But the issue is responsibility.

That's your issue. My issue is to be free from the government telling me that my natural immunity to COVID, is not good enough for the government when research can be shown that it is as good as the vaccine. That my religious freedom to not be vaccinated can be violated by the government.

You seem fixated on "freedom"

Yeah, I have that in common with the Founding Fathers

but want to give a pass on responsibility.

Not so, I'm just not as eager to codify it into law as you seem to be.

A person chooses to ignore taking reasonable steps to protect others they should be held accountable when others are injured.

Fine, pass that law. I'll ask you again, which state has decided to do that?

Like a drunk driver who kills someone. Like a person who knowingly exposes someone else to AIDS.

So you want a law that says if you gave Covid to another person, even though you were vaccinated ( you do know that can happen right) and that person dies, you should be held criminally liable even though you got vaccinated and they were vaccinated?

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can-vaccinated-people-transmit-covid-19-to-others/

Can fully vaccinated people still transmit the virus to others, including other vaccinated people?

While it is possible, Dr. Cardona says that the ability to transmit COVID-19 may occur at a lower rate. Dead is dead no matter the number She adds that this could also be a reality for people who don’t have a good immune response to vaccines.

Like a person who knowingly leaves their gun for their kid to get hold of and shoot up a school. Like a person who knowingly exposes others to COVID.


But you could have Covid and not know it like many people are finding out now. "But Judge, I was vaccinated, how could I know I would give Covid to somebody else"?

Very consistent--but not to gun nuts and COVID deniers.

Ah, got a problem with gun ownership. Wish I could say I didn't see that coming.

And you still seem to have problems with interpretation of stats. Let's try a different graphic:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...cans-by-state/

What do the top 16 states show? 15 of the 16 are: ND, TN, SD, AR, FL, LA, UT, MS, AZ, SC, AL, OK, GA, IA, WY. Any commonality with their state politics? Yes, RI is there too. 1 out of 16.


Shows Fl. in 5th but you want to make it an example as the worst of the worst. My sole point has been that it not, not in cumulative, not in deaths per 100,000 and not in your stats but nice try.

If I remember my 1st grade counting, there are not 28 states with worse numbers than FL. But maybe the new math in FL counts differently, who knows. Originally Posted by Old-T

It's not your math, it's your reading comprehension that is in question. It says Florida is 22 in the number of un-vaccinated not "numbers of cases or deaths" but your math ain't so good either because what ever the topic, there are 28 more states after number 22 unless you have some new math I'm not familiar with.

That's 156 million criminals you need to be on the look out for.


Look, we all know what you are about and it has nothing to do with Florida, it is about Ron DeSantis the leading Republican candidate to go up against Biden in 2024 assuming he makes it that long. It is an attempt to degrade the popularity of the man who could beat Biden. That's all this is about and you and I both know it and everybody else reading this knows it.