...You are 80% or so less likely to get infected when vaccinated and 90% less likely to get seriously ill. ... Originally Posted by NoirMan
I'm sure you meant to post the data to support your out of your keester claim on the 80% figure. Maybe you should poll the people that have died from the shot and the claimed 10% that landed in the hospital and died as well. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoSince evidently you get your information from conspiracy sites and such, let me help you out.
...."Co-vid is just something we're gonna need to learn to live-with."... Originally Posted by Salty AgainAnd do you why? Because it is Zoonotic. It can live in mammals and transfer back and forth. Which may or may not be a problem, compared to the constant and entirely normal mutations a virus goes through - except for an inconvenient thing called "original" antigenic sin, which is why it's Booster shots 4Evah.
Since evidently you get your information from conspiracy sites and such, let me help you out.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...uce-risks.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-benefits.html
A new CDC study finds the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) reduce the risk of infection by 91 percent for fully vaccinated people.
Other study findings suggest that fully or partially vaccinated people who got COVID-19 might be less likely to spread the virus to others. For example, fully or partially vaccinated study participants had 40 percent less detectable virus in their nose (i.e., a lower viral load), and the virus was detected for six fewer days (i.e., viral shedding) compared to those who were unvaccinated when infected. In addition, people who were partially or fully vaccinated were 66 percent less likely to test positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection for more than one week compared to those who were unvaccinated. While these indicators are not a direct measure of a person’s ability to spread the virus, they have been correlated with reduced spread of other viruses, such as varicella and influenza.
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...ure-vaccinated
https://patient.info/news-and-featur...tting-infected
60-80% reduction in infections and 90% reduction in hospitalization.
Now it’s your turn to provide the proof that it doesn’t provide any protection against getting the disease, or a far lower number than I provided.
I’ll wait. Originally Posted by NoirMan
Quoting a CDC study that backs up the CDC guidance?!? Seems akin to asking Francisco Pizarro if Emperor Atahualpa willingly gave Pizarro control of Peru. Oh snap! We can't 'cause Francisco killed Emperor Atahualpa !
Then you bolster your lack of empirical data with "...Other study findings suggest that fully or partially vaccinated people who got COVID-19 might be less likely to spread the virus to others.... " That's your proof-positive - that it might!?! Notwithstanding the duplicity of slyly slipping in the 'partially vaccinated', while excluding them from the VAERs and death tolls. Nice try, but busted.
I won't even address the rest of the regurgitated bologna. I would recommend you get some new sources of information. Try Dr Robert Malone or Dr Mike Yeadon or Dr. Simone Gold for starters. Then we can work you up to Dr. Matthias Desmet.
Wait no more
So you won’t accept data from the CDC or the vaccine makers but you accept some opinion pieces that aren’t backed by data. Gotcha. Conversation is done. Originally Posted by NoirManI do peruse their data. In fact, waiting on some data from them now about their vaccines testing. But 55 years is a long time to wait. Oh rats, they just said it was going to be 75 years before the finish releasing it. Funny how they can design one in 2 days and release it in 10 months, yet take 75 years to release the data. R-e-a-l funny.
I would recommend you get some new sources of information. Try Dr Robert Malone Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoIf you left it up to Bannon and Malone, we might spend 10 years studying vaccines before making them available to the public. Actually I think Malone might have let the elderly and those at high risk have them earlier, but perhaps not before a lot of them had already been infected and died. Trump deserves serious praise for pushing the vaccines through the FDA.
or Dr Mike Yeadon Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoYeadon falsely claimed that the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom was "effectively over" in October 2020,[16][17] that there would be no "second wave" of infections,[6][18] and that healthy people could not spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus.[1][19] He has claimed without evidence that COVID-19 vaccines were unnecessary,[20][19][18] unsafe,[1][21] and could cause infertility in women.[1][6][22] In a letter to the European Medicines Agency, Yeadon and the German physician Wolfgang Wodarg called for all vaccine trials to be stopped, falsely suggesting[23][24][25] that mRNA vaccines could target the syncytin-1 protein needed for placenta formation.[26][a] In an interview with political strategist Steve Bannon, Yeadon falsely asserted that children were "50 times more likely to be killed by the COVID vaccines than the virus itself", citing a high number of events following COVID-19 vaccination reported on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.[30][31][3] The US Centers for Disease Control, which operates the database, cautions that such reports are not verified and do not prove that vaccines caused any given adverse event.[30][31] Yeadon has also discouraged COVID-19 lockdowns and the use of face masks despite evidence for their effectiveness.[21] Several of Yeadon's claims have been amplified on social media.
or Dr. Simone Gold Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoDr. Simone Gold, Beverly Hills Physician Indicted In Capitol Riot, Spreading Misinformation About COVID-19 Vaccine Across The Country
for starters. Then we can work you up to Dr. Matthias Desmet. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_DoMatthias Desmet? Who the fuck is this guy anyway? He's a psychoanalyst. He may be uniquely qualified to tell you why you enjoy dressing up in women's lingerie but he probably doesn't know any more about COVID than you or me.
From the get-go, I have always wondered why there was not as strong an effort to work on the therapeutic treatment of infected patients as there was on a 'vaccine". A two-path approach to fighting our way through this as a society would make sense.That's just not right.
I am not an anti-vax guy as my OP shows. I just wish they had gone after figuring out
a treatment options with as much aggressive action as they did to develop the shots
And now that we know the shots are less effective than we initially thought (by a LOT), why aren't they now working on a really good preventive shot. Maybe using some other approach than gene therapy mRNA technology? Originally Posted by ICU 812
If you left it up to Bannon and Malone, we might spend 10 years studying vaccines before making them available to the public. Actually I think Malone might have let the elderly and those at high risk have them earlier, but perhaps not before a lot of them had already been infected and died. Trump deserves serious praise for pushing the vaccines through the FDA.
It's debatable how important a part he played in mRNA technology. One of the pioneers of mRNA vaccines, Katalin Karido, says there are "hundreds of scientists who contributed more to mRNA vaccines than he did." While another, Stan Gromkowski, who views Malone as an underappreciated pioneer, says "He's fucking up his chances for a Nobel Prize" because of his sensational assertions."
This article is a comprehensive rebuttal to Malone and Navarro's claims, if you've got the patience to read it, https://healthfeedback.org/evaluatio...accine-safety/
Some other points Malone made in the video were about risks related to clots, myocarditis, and immune diseases. Well, the problem with his argument is that risks for clots (which may only apply in the USA to the J&J vaccine when used in women of a certain age), myocarditis and pericarditis (which may only apply to younger males and the mRNA vaccines), and immune disease are much higher if you get the disease than if you get the vaccine.
https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?p=1062577367
Yeadon falsely claimed that the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom was "effectively over" in October 2020,[16][17] that there would be no "second wave" of infections,[6][18] and that healthy people could not spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus.[1][19] He has claimed without evidence that COVID-19 vaccines were unnecessary,[20][19][18] unsafe,[1][21] and could cause infertility in women.[1][6][22] In a letter to the European Medicines Agency, Yeadon and the German physician Wolfgang Wodarg called for all vaccine trials to be stopped, falsely suggesting[23][24][25] that mRNA vaccines could target the syncytin-1 protein needed for placenta formation.[26][a] In an interview with political strategist Steve Bannon, Yeadon falsely asserted that children were "50 times more likely to be killed by the COVID vaccines than the virus itself", citing a high number of events following COVID-19 vaccination reported on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.[30][31][3] The US Centers for Disease Control, which operates the database, cautions that such reports are not verified and do not prove that vaccines caused any given adverse event.[30][31] Yeadon has also discouraged COVID-19 lockdowns and the use of face masks despite evidence for their effectiveness.[21] Several of Yeadon's claims have been amplified on social media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Yeadon
Dr. Simone Gold, Beverly Hills Physician Indicted In Capitol Riot, Spreading Misinformation About COVID-19 Vaccine Across The Country
A Los Angeles-area emergency room doctor who has been indicted for taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot has been traveling across the country spreading misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine.
In one appearance, Gold claimed that that all the COVID vaccine candidates cause diseases, rather than help prevent them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say this is not true, and that the unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to be killed by COVID.
Gold was arrested in Beverly Hills on Jan. 18 after she was photographed with a bullhorn inside the Capitol building. She was indicted on Feb. 5 and pleaded not guilty to the charges later that month. A status conference for her case is scheduled for Sept. 28, and she remains free on her own recognizance.
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021...cross-country/
Matthias Desmet? Who the fuck is this guy anyway? He's a psychoanalyst. He may be uniquely qualified to tell you why you enjoy dressing up in women's lingerie but he probably doesn't know any more about COVID than you or me.
Welcome back by the way! I'm tired of arguing about COVID. I figure you've already had it or had the vaccine by now, so it's unlikely I'll save your life by persuading you of what's right and true. Originally Posted by Tiny
...Huge efforts have been devoted to finding therapeutics... Originally Posted by TinyLike HCQ and Ivermectin?!? Thought not. However, turns out the FDA is running an Ivermectin study now and expects to complete it by late 2023. Odd, an existing and cheap drug would take 2 years to study compared to a never used gene therapy being designed in 2 days and tested for 10 months and is reaping windfall profits. Go figure.
