Let’s have a little history lesson about elections and fraud during the current century from the perspective of those on the left:What a post !!! Exposes the bullshit lies the libtards spread perfectly. And yet you see them still here pretending that there was no voter fraud in 2020 even though it has been shown there was in at least 4 different states. Alas the libtards only listen to their state run DNC media mouthpieces so they continue to miss the facts
2000 - George Bush (R) wins the election. Election was illegitimate and he only won because of SCOTUS ruling and misleading ballots in FL.
2004 - George W Bush (R) wins. Election was questionable because exit polls showed results inconsistent with the actual results in many states.
2008 - Barack Obama (D) wins. No fraud or allegations of any illegitimate factors.
2012 - Barack Obama (D) wins. Again no fraud or any allegations of anything illegitimate.
2016 - Donald Trump (R) wins. People on the left go nuts and question the legitimacy of the election. Hillary Clinton claims that election was stolen from her.
2020 - Joseph Biden (D) wins. Most perfect election ever. Anyone even asking questions about the security of new voting methods, many enacted in contradiction to existing state election laws, is labeled as a nutjob conspiracy theorist.
It is amazing how this country can only conduct clean elections in certain years and how well those years correlate with that “D” following the winner’s name, isn’t it? We do seem to forget how to do fair elections every so often, and it always seems to happen when there is an “R” after the winner’s name. Originally Posted by Smarty1
- berryberry
- 08-03-2022, 10:44 PM
- berryberry
- 08-03-2022, 10:48 PM
... WHAT are you talking about??Sadly Salty many libtards bury their heads in the sand and ignore reality. There have been multiple threads here outlining the evidence showing the fraud that occurred in those 4 states.
Have you seen the decisions in Wisconsin?? ... In Arizona??
In Georgia?? ... We explained what happened in PA.
You must have missed all of this.
Too bad. ...
### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again
I guess the libtards were too busy with their wet dreams about "this is really the time we get Trump" that they missed the evidence
It's like they are living in some DNC controlled fantasy land
- rmg_35
- 08-04-2022, 06:59 AM
No fraud. Keep drinking the red coolaide. Bullshit made-up news to keep the mindless misinformed and angry. 60 different court cases came up with zero evidence of fraud. Multiple people from the republican party have testified under oath that they told the tangerine turd he lost the election. Ignore all facts and continue to post bullshit from far-right misleading propaganda and claim that is the truth.
- eyecu2
- 08-04-2022, 08:30 AM
Reptards remember what they want- just so it fits their narrative. But lets look into some details on just one of the so called assertions.
Lets look at Smarty's post about Bush v. Gore specifically.
What happened in Florida in the 2000 election between Bush and Gore?
The Florida vote was ultimately settled in Bush's favor by a margin of 537 votes when the U.S. Supreme Court, in Bush v. Gore, stopped a recount that had been initiated upon a ruling by the Florida Supreme Court. But the devil is in the details here:
The corrupt state of Florida which was the point of contention in this election- was the point of the hanging chad's and also, the lost votes that were in storage, not just a few hundred, but thousands- and they were never counted, but even more were found in storage warehouse to be never counted. It's odd that the state decided to use shitty pencil punch voting systems, approved by the republican governor, Jeb Bush, and knew that these were not reliable systems. So ripe for concern or question. Probably, and when the votes started being reviewed, no cyber ninjas or other Republican sponsored tyrannical systems were brought in. But there were safeguards to protect the red state to continue to be a red state. Jeb had George's back.
Detail 1.
Remember Katherine Harris- the unqualified fucking cunt (who was actually a hot looking ho) & who's family was rich republicans- Harris was born in Key West, Florida, to one of the state's wealthiest and most politically influential families. What doest that mean- Hmmm. so lets get a money centric whore, a Republican, to get to certify an election despite the challenges and all of a state that used manual voting cards that were stored at "secured facilities". (and also as a repturd too) - the alliance and fealty was real- her family made sure of that.
Ultimately the asshole who petitioned the SCOTUS to over-rule Florida's court, and came to the voting facilities to Yell, " I'm John Bolton, with the Bush Campaign- you must stop the count". All made possible by a tie breaking SCOTUS rule by the one and Only Sandry Day O'Connor. Btw, she's also a reptard too
Detail 2
more about Harris who was elected Florida Secretary of State in 1998. She defeated then-incumbent Sandra Mortham in the Republican primary and won the general election against Democratic candidate, Karen Gievers, an attorney from Miami.[11][12] A state constitutional change passed in the same year making the Secretary of State an appointed office made Harris the last person to be elected Secretary of State in Florida.
Detail 3
not surprisingly- Harris abruptly resigned in August 2002 while campaigning for Congress when it was discovered that she had violated Florida's "resign to run", which stated "...No officer may qualify as a candidate for another public office, whether state, district, county or municipal, if the terms or any part thereof run concurrently with each other, without resigning from the office he or she presently holds." Since the start of her Congressional term (January 3, 2003) would overlap with the end of her term as Secretary of State (January 7, 2003), she was required to submit a letter of recognition.
Detail 4.
One might just wonder how she got elected, or appointed vs. elected. All you need to do is look at who was the governor of the state- Oh yeah another fucking asshole repturd, Jeb Bush.
Doesn't it seem a little one sided that a Bush , who was related to another Bush would push to certify a vote despite not having confidence in the actual outcome, and would have sway in the whole process? I would surely say so. Brothers gotta stick together.
Detail 5.
Also at issue was the so-called butterfly ballot design used in Palm Beach county, which caused confusion among some residents who had intended to vote for Gore—leading them to inadvertently cast some 3,400 votes for an ultraconservative third-party candidate, Pat Buchanan, which amounted to about 20 percent of his total votes statewide.
Detail 6.
A petition by Bush to the SCOTUS, and a few more calls to Sandra Day O'Connor, and she votes to stop the count, and send in Bush's lacky - John Bolton....the rest is history and the vote was never fully validated, or certified outside of Harris' who did so at the instruction of the Governor. Oh- and by the way, O'Connor was a registered Reptard also. Add it up, Repbulicans in every position of power or decision in the state of Florida- and it's ends up rolling over for Republicans...that doesn't sound fishy at all does it. And yes, lets stop counting votes while Bush shows a lead- not to the conclusion, but just in the lead. Right? not fishy at all!?
One state- who's entire fucking screwed up process- produced the outcome of the presidency. From a State who's brother was the governor to elect his brother as POTUS. So- yeah, I can see why that one is still scrutinized. It was never vetted out, and has been TRUMPS entire shit show example of precedence.
It's really just not to be compared to any other election-as this was one that was decided within a 4-500 vote margin, depending on when they stopped counting. By contrast to today, Joe Biden won every single state in question by TENS of THOUSANDS and audited in some cases, up to 4x. Nobody likes to lose, but it's funny that Gore conceded with 4-500 votes vs. 10000 or more. Cause he wanted to ensure the continuity of government and trust in the process- despite this being likely one that would really not be settled in today's world.
Even Hillary decided to not drag down the election process so as the country could move on. You REPTARDS hang on to what you like. Reptards have proven to be liars, cheaters, and assholes, manipulators, and total lemmings. Those same qualities are very well represented in all of MAGA land and on certain boards.
Lets look at Smarty's post about Bush v. Gore specifically.
What happened in Florida in the 2000 election between Bush and Gore?
The Florida vote was ultimately settled in Bush's favor by a margin of 537 votes when the U.S. Supreme Court, in Bush v. Gore, stopped a recount that had been initiated upon a ruling by the Florida Supreme Court. But the devil is in the details here:
The corrupt state of Florida which was the point of contention in this election- was the point of the hanging chad's and also, the lost votes that were in storage, not just a few hundred, but thousands- and they were never counted, but even more were found in storage warehouse to be never counted. It's odd that the state decided to use shitty pencil punch voting systems, approved by the republican governor, Jeb Bush, and knew that these were not reliable systems. So ripe for concern or question. Probably, and when the votes started being reviewed, no cyber ninjas or other Republican sponsored tyrannical systems were brought in. But there were safeguards to protect the red state to continue to be a red state. Jeb had George's back.
Detail 1.
Remember Katherine Harris- the unqualified fucking cunt (who was actually a hot looking ho) & who's family was rich republicans- Harris was born in Key West, Florida, to one of the state's wealthiest and most politically influential families. What doest that mean- Hmmm. so lets get a money centric whore, a Republican, to get to certify an election despite the challenges and all of a state that used manual voting cards that were stored at "secured facilities". (and also as a repturd too) - the alliance and fealty was real- her family made sure of that.
Ultimately the asshole who petitioned the SCOTUS to over-rule Florida's court, and came to the voting facilities to Yell, " I'm John Bolton, with the Bush Campaign- you must stop the count". All made possible by a tie breaking SCOTUS rule by the one and Only Sandry Day O'Connor. Btw, she's also a reptard too
Detail 2
more about Harris who was elected Florida Secretary of State in 1998. She defeated then-incumbent Sandra Mortham in the Republican primary and won the general election against Democratic candidate, Karen Gievers, an attorney from Miami.[11][12] A state constitutional change passed in the same year making the Secretary of State an appointed office made Harris the last person to be elected Secretary of State in Florida.
Detail 3
not surprisingly- Harris abruptly resigned in August 2002 while campaigning for Congress when it was discovered that she had violated Florida's "resign to run", which stated "...No officer may qualify as a candidate for another public office, whether state, district, county or municipal, if the terms or any part thereof run concurrently with each other, without resigning from the office he or she presently holds." Since the start of her Congressional term (January 3, 2003) would overlap with the end of her term as Secretary of State (January 7, 2003), she was required to submit a letter of recognition.
Detail 4.
One might just wonder how she got elected, or appointed vs. elected. All you need to do is look at who was the governor of the state- Oh yeah another fucking asshole repturd, Jeb Bush.
Doesn't it seem a little one sided that a Bush , who was related to another Bush would push to certify a vote despite not having confidence in the actual outcome, and would have sway in the whole process? I would surely say so. Brothers gotta stick together.
Detail 5.
Also at issue was the so-called butterfly ballot design used in Palm Beach county, which caused confusion among some residents who had intended to vote for Gore—leading them to inadvertently cast some 3,400 votes for an ultraconservative third-party candidate, Pat Buchanan, which amounted to about 20 percent of his total votes statewide.
Detail 6.
A petition by Bush to the SCOTUS, and a few more calls to Sandra Day O'Connor, and she votes to stop the count, and send in Bush's lacky - John Bolton....the rest is history and the vote was never fully validated, or certified outside of Harris' who did so at the instruction of the Governor. Oh- and by the way, O'Connor was a registered Reptard also. Add it up, Repbulicans in every position of power or decision in the state of Florida- and it's ends up rolling over for Republicans...that doesn't sound fishy at all does it. And yes, lets stop counting votes while Bush shows a lead- not to the conclusion, but just in the lead. Right? not fishy at all!?
One state- who's entire fucking screwed up process- produced the outcome of the presidency. From a State who's brother was the governor to elect his brother as POTUS. So- yeah, I can see why that one is still scrutinized. It was never vetted out, and has been TRUMPS entire shit show example of precedence.
It's really just not to be compared to any other election-as this was one that was decided within a 4-500 vote margin, depending on when they stopped counting. By contrast to today, Joe Biden won every single state in question by TENS of THOUSANDS and audited in some cases, up to 4x. Nobody likes to lose, but it's funny that Gore conceded with 4-500 votes vs. 10000 or more. Cause he wanted to ensure the continuity of government and trust in the process- despite this being likely one that would really not be settled in today's world.
Even Hillary decided to not drag down the election process so as the country could move on. You REPTARDS hang on to what you like. Reptards have proven to be liars, cheaters, and assholes, manipulators, and total lemmings. Those same qualities are very well represented in all of MAGA land and on certain boards.
- berryberry
- 08-04-2022, 09:29 AM
I see the libtards are at it again this morning - caught a pic of them at work
- berryberry
- 08-04-2022, 10:00 AM
Funny how in his silly diatribe and distorted view of things Eye left out these facts:
1. Bush led the election-night vote count in Florida by 1,784 votes. The small margin produced an automatic recount under Florida state law, which began the day after the election. That first day's results reduced the margin to just over 900 votes.
2. Due to the narrow margin of the original vote count, Florida Election Code 102.141 mandated a statewide machine recount,[5] which began the day after the election. It was ostensibly completed on November 10 in the 66 Florida counties that used vote-counting machines and reduced Bush's lead to 327 votes.
3. Following the machine recount, the Gore campaign requested a manual recount in just four counties favorable to him.
4. The manual recounts were time-consuming, and it soon became clear that some counties would not complete their recounts before the statutory deadline.
5. Gore campaign sued to have the deadlines extended. A state judge upheld that deadline but ruled that further recounts could be considered later.
6. As the manual recounts progressed, most of Florida's counties were considering overseas absentee ballots. That part of the vote count was completed on November 18, increasing Bush's lead to 930 votes.
7. On November 17, Judge Terry Lewis of Leon County Circuit Court permitted Harris to certify the election results without the manual recounts, but on the same day the Florida Supreme Court stayed that decision until it could consider an appeal by Gore. On November 21, the DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED Florida Supreme Court ignored state election statutes and ruled that manual counts in Broward, Palm Beach and Miami-Dade Counties must be included and set 5:00 p.m. on November 26 as the earliest time for certification.
8. After that decision, the Bush campaign appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, arguing that the Democrat controlled state court effectively rewrote state election statutes after the vote.
9. The Palm Beach County recount and the Miami-Dade County recount were still incomplete by the new timeframe set by the corrupt Florida State Supreme Court at 5:00 p.m. on November 26, when Harris certified the statewide vote count with Bush ahead by 537 votes.
10. The next day, Gore sued under Florida's statutory construct of the "contest phase". On November 28, Judge N. Sanders Sauls of Leon County Circuit Court rejected Gore's request to include the recount results from Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties. Gore appealed that decision to the Florida Supreme Court. Sauls also rejected Gore's contest of the election result on December 4, and Gore appealed that decision too. On December 8, the Florida justices, by a 4–3 vote, rejected the selective use of manual recounts in just four counties and ordered immediate manual recounts of all ballots in the state where no vote for president had been machine-recorded, also known as undervotes.
11. The U.S. Supreme Court convened on December 1 to consider Bush's appeal. In a per curiam ruling the Court found (7–2) that, owing to inconsistencies in manual recounting methods and standards between Florida counties, the Florida court’s order of a manual recount amounted to a violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. By a smaller majority (5–4), the Court also ruled that no new recount could take place, because none could be finished by the “safe harbor” deadline—the date, set by federal law (3 U.S.C. §5), by which states were required to resolve any disputes regarding the selection of presidential electors in order to guarantee that their final determination “shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution.”
12. All five major U.S. TV news networks (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and CNN) called a winner while polls in the westernmost counties in Florida were still open. This region of the state traditionally voted mostly Republican. A survey estimate by John McLaughlin & Associates put the number of voters who might not have voted due to the networks' call as high as 15,000, which could have reduced Bush's margin of victory by an estimated 5,000 votes; a study by conservative researcher John Lott found that Bush's margin of victory was reduced by 7,500 votes.
1. Bush led the election-night vote count in Florida by 1,784 votes. The small margin produced an automatic recount under Florida state law, which began the day after the election. That first day's results reduced the margin to just over 900 votes.
2. Due to the narrow margin of the original vote count, Florida Election Code 102.141 mandated a statewide machine recount,[5] which began the day after the election. It was ostensibly completed on November 10 in the 66 Florida counties that used vote-counting machines and reduced Bush's lead to 327 votes.
3. Following the machine recount, the Gore campaign requested a manual recount in just four counties favorable to him.
4. The manual recounts were time-consuming, and it soon became clear that some counties would not complete their recounts before the statutory deadline.
5. Gore campaign sued to have the deadlines extended. A state judge upheld that deadline but ruled that further recounts could be considered later.
6. As the manual recounts progressed, most of Florida's counties were considering overseas absentee ballots. That part of the vote count was completed on November 18, increasing Bush's lead to 930 votes.
7. On November 17, Judge Terry Lewis of Leon County Circuit Court permitted Harris to certify the election results without the manual recounts, but on the same day the Florida Supreme Court stayed that decision until it could consider an appeal by Gore. On November 21, the DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED Florida Supreme Court ignored state election statutes and ruled that manual counts in Broward, Palm Beach and Miami-Dade Counties must be included and set 5:00 p.m. on November 26 as the earliest time for certification.
8. After that decision, the Bush campaign appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, arguing that the Democrat controlled state court effectively rewrote state election statutes after the vote.
9. The Palm Beach County recount and the Miami-Dade County recount were still incomplete by the new timeframe set by the corrupt Florida State Supreme Court at 5:00 p.m. on November 26, when Harris certified the statewide vote count with Bush ahead by 537 votes.
10. The next day, Gore sued under Florida's statutory construct of the "contest phase". On November 28, Judge N. Sanders Sauls of Leon County Circuit Court rejected Gore's request to include the recount results from Miami-Dade and Palm Beach Counties. Gore appealed that decision to the Florida Supreme Court. Sauls also rejected Gore's contest of the election result on December 4, and Gore appealed that decision too. On December 8, the Florida justices, by a 4–3 vote, rejected the selective use of manual recounts in just four counties and ordered immediate manual recounts of all ballots in the state where no vote for president had been machine-recorded, also known as undervotes.
11. The U.S. Supreme Court convened on December 1 to consider Bush's appeal. In a per curiam ruling the Court found (7–2) that, owing to inconsistencies in manual recounting methods and standards between Florida counties, the Florida court’s order of a manual recount amounted to a violation of the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. By a smaller majority (5–4), the Court also ruled that no new recount could take place, because none could be finished by the “safe harbor” deadline—the date, set by federal law (3 U.S.C. §5), by which states were required to resolve any disputes regarding the selection of presidential electors in order to guarantee that their final determination “shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution.”
12. All five major U.S. TV news networks (CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox and CNN) called a winner while polls in the westernmost counties in Florida were still open. This region of the state traditionally voted mostly Republican. A survey estimate by John McLaughlin & Associates put the number of voters who might not have voted due to the networks' call as high as 15,000, which could have reduced Bush's margin of victory by an estimated 5,000 votes; a study by conservative researcher John Lott found that Bush's margin of victory was reduced by 7,500 votes.
- rmg_35
- 08-04-2022, 08:45 PM
“In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He is a coward. A real man wouldn’t lie to his supporters. He lost his election, and he lost big. I know it. He knows it, and deep down, I think most Republicans know.”
Quote from Dick Chaney...again "most Repubicans know" and have known since the election except several people on here and other die hard tangerine turd follers that are completely misinformed by continuing to listen to his lies and bullshit and who get their misinformation from radical right-wing bullshit news sources. William Barr...under oath, stated that trump's claims of voter fraud were "bullshit".
Quote from Dick Chaney...again "most Repubicans know" and have known since the election except several people on here and other die hard tangerine turd follers that are completely misinformed by continuing to listen to his lies and bullshit and who get their misinformation from radical right-wing bullshit news sources. William Barr...under oath, stated that trump's claims of voter fraud were "bullshit".
- Mistershark
- 08-04-2022, 09:27 PM
Sadly Salty many libtards bury their heads in the sand and ignore reality. There have been multiple threads here outlining the evidence showing the fraud that occurred in those 4 states.Wide scale fraud? You really think Trump would’ve used that in his 60 lawsuits that were thrown out. I guess the courts don’t exist in the RNC fantasyland. Lol.
I guess the libtards were too busy with their wet dreams about "this is really the time we get Trump" that they missed the evidence
It's like they are living in some DNC controlled fantasy land Originally Posted by berryberry
- Salty Again
- 08-04-2022, 11:22 PM
“In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He is a coward. A real man wouldn’t lie to his supporters. He lost his election, and he lost big. I know it. He knows it, and deep down, I think most Republicans know.”
Quote from Dick Chaney...again "most Repubicans know" and have known since the election except several people on here and other die hard tangerine turd follers that are completely misinformed by continuing to listen to his lies and bullshit and who get their misinformation from radical right-wing bullshit news sources. William Barr...under oath, stated that trump's claims of voter fraud were "bullshit". Originally Posted by rmg_35
... Hmmmm... Chaney and Bill Barr can say what they want.
And so can YOU - which is why Opinions Vary.
... Willian Barr - under oath - gave his-own OPINION
that it was bullshit.
And nobody cares WHAT Dick Chaney is saying.
Did he find those weapons of Mass Destruction yet??
And as far as Liz Chaney - her carerr as a republican
lawmaker is coming to a quick end in December.
Look at the polls - the voters there support
Trump's pick over Liz Chaney....
#### Salty
- berryberry
- 08-05-2022, 12:00 AM
It's real funny - the libtards and libtard media would want you to believe when Democrats won their was no election fraud and that anyone who talks about the fraud that was witnessed is an "election denier" (of course they say just the opposite when Republicans win).
They go so far as to dispute the claims made by "Election deniers" claim that election outcomes can be gamed around by election officials. Yet at the same time, the same corrupt libtards and libtard media say one can't allow these "election deniers" to win their elections because then they will commit election fraud.
So as usual, libtards talk out of their ass and do what they can to support cheating in elections as they know that is the only way some libtards can win in many places
They go so far as to dispute the claims made by "Election deniers" claim that election outcomes can be gamed around by election officials. Yet at the same time, the same corrupt libtards and libtard media say one can't allow these "election deniers" to win their elections because then they will commit election fraud.
So as usual, libtards talk out of their ass and do what they can to support cheating in elections as they know that is the only way some libtards can win in many places
- snoopy75
- 08-05-2022, 08:15 AM
- eyecu2
- 08-05-2022, 08:53 AM
12 Minutes of Democrats Denying Election Results Originally Posted by snoopy75Propaganda snippets by none other than the GOP- Wonder who they would simply demonize other than democrats who were complaining that there was issues with external influences, where there was over 20 ppl charged for influence peddling and trying to solicit external influence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-O0ryRkdXI
here's a link that debunks the GOP's assertion of fraud.
But more than this- the nexus of the whole shit show was this.trump cases overall.JPG
- berryberry
- 08-05-2022, 10:34 AM
Propaganda snippets by none other than the GOP Originally Posted by eyecu2You see Snoopy - this is how Libtards think.
Show them actual video clips of Democrats denying election results and alleging fraud and it's just GOP propaganda. They ignore their lying eyes of the actual Democrats speaking on video.
It's the same thing they do when presented with all the evidence of fraud like in 2020. Back to burying their head in the sand
- berryberry
- 08-05-2022, 10:37 AM
"2020 was the first time an election was conducted by mass vote-by-mail. It was a train wreck." "Biden's victory margin was smaller than the number of missing and undeliverable ballots"
2020 was the first time an election was conducted by mass vote-by-mail. It was a train wreck.
According to federal data, election officials do not know what happened to nearly 15 million mail ballots in 2020. Some of these ballots were blowing in the winds on Nevada roads, and some were in stacks on apartment lobby floors. Some ended up in landfills.
No surprise considering that the United States Post Office aspired to a 95% success rate in getting election mail delivered on time. Put another way, the post office was content with a 5% failure rate.
Thank goodness the airlines expect more from themselves.
In hindsight, the 2020 mail ballot numbers look awful.
Another 1.1 million mail ballots were returned as undeliverable, meaning they went to the wrong address and never reached the intended recipient. This reveals a whole other problem of states not having accurate up to date voter rolls.
President Biden’s vote margin of victory in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada was smaller than the number of missing and undeliverable ballots sent in the mail by those states. When you send more ballots to faulty addresses and lose track of more ballots than the difference between winning and losing a state’s Electoral College votes, that is a core system failure.
Last week, the United States Post Office announced it is creating a division to focus on improving election mail issues.
It’s about time. America should not trust our political system to the people who regularly deliver you your neighbor’s mail.
The status quo isn’t working. The focus and reform announced at the USPS are long overdue. Vote-by-mail has been a disaster that includes disenfranchising voters. When the USPS loses ballots — which they do — they disenfranchise voters.
Notably, the same groups who crow about disenfranchisement when it involves voter ID have said nothing when faced with the facts of USPS disenfranchising voters.
Unsupervised mail voting is the worst way to run an election. Voting takes place behind closed doors, away from observers and election officials. Intimidation, coercion and election crimes flourish in this environment. In a case I worked on at the United States Department of Justice, mail voting enabled vote stealing and coercion. Notaries snatched ballots from mailboxes and voted them, not the voters.
The Post Office shouldn’t be anywhere near our elections.
It’s even worse.
To conduct an election by mass vote-by-mail, accurate voter rolls are required. Unfortunately, the voter rolls are a mess. An analysis by the Public Interest Legal Foundation in 2020 found nearly 350,000 deceased registrants and nearly 40,000 duplicate registrants on America’s voter rolls. When you automatically send everyone on the voter rolls a mail ballot, these deceased and duplicate registrants are receiving ballots.
Elections should be conducted with transparency in person. When you vote in person, you are given the opportunity to fix any issues with your ballot.
2020 proved that elections conducted by mass vote-by-mail need to be a one-time experiment. When election officials do not know what happened to nearly 15 million mail ballots, there is a huge problem.
Vote-by-mail leads to chaos and distrust in our election process. Americans deserve better than that.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-an-election/?
2020 was the first time an election was conducted by mass vote-by-mail. It was a train wreck.
According to federal data, election officials do not know what happened to nearly 15 million mail ballots in 2020. Some of these ballots were blowing in the winds on Nevada roads, and some were in stacks on apartment lobby floors. Some ended up in landfills.
No surprise considering that the United States Post Office aspired to a 95% success rate in getting election mail delivered on time. Put another way, the post office was content with a 5% failure rate.
Thank goodness the airlines expect more from themselves.
In hindsight, the 2020 mail ballot numbers look awful.
Another 1.1 million mail ballots were returned as undeliverable, meaning they went to the wrong address and never reached the intended recipient. This reveals a whole other problem of states not having accurate up to date voter rolls.
President Biden’s vote margin of victory in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada was smaller than the number of missing and undeliverable ballots sent in the mail by those states. When you send more ballots to faulty addresses and lose track of more ballots than the difference between winning and losing a state’s Electoral College votes, that is a core system failure.
Last week, the United States Post Office announced it is creating a division to focus on improving election mail issues.
It’s about time. America should not trust our political system to the people who regularly deliver you your neighbor’s mail.
The status quo isn’t working. The focus and reform announced at the USPS are long overdue. Vote-by-mail has been a disaster that includes disenfranchising voters. When the USPS loses ballots — which they do — they disenfranchise voters.
Notably, the same groups who crow about disenfranchisement when it involves voter ID have said nothing when faced with the facts of USPS disenfranchising voters.
Unsupervised mail voting is the worst way to run an election. Voting takes place behind closed doors, away from observers and election officials. Intimidation, coercion and election crimes flourish in this environment. In a case I worked on at the United States Department of Justice, mail voting enabled vote stealing and coercion. Notaries snatched ballots from mailboxes and voted them, not the voters.
The Post Office shouldn’t be anywhere near our elections.
It’s even worse.
To conduct an election by mass vote-by-mail, accurate voter rolls are required. Unfortunately, the voter rolls are a mess. An analysis by the Public Interest Legal Foundation in 2020 found nearly 350,000 deceased registrants and nearly 40,000 duplicate registrants on America’s voter rolls. When you automatically send everyone on the voter rolls a mail ballot, these deceased and duplicate registrants are receiving ballots.
Elections should be conducted with transparency in person. When you vote in person, you are given the opportunity to fix any issues with your ballot.
2020 proved that elections conducted by mass vote-by-mail need to be a one-time experiment. When election officials do not know what happened to nearly 15 million mail ballots, there is a huge problem.
Vote-by-mail leads to chaos and distrust in our election process. Americans deserve better than that.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-an-election/?
- eyecu2
- 08-05-2022, 04:49 PM
Well I would agree that the USPS is not specifically great, but yet, nobody has made a single case that proves what FauxNews-Breitbart dipo-sycophants assert.
No - Widespread fraud and votes from any nefarious source. Not one case of proof involving any scale of fraud incl a few hundred or thousand votes.
So the mail being a worry HAS NEVER been proven - only alleged.
Like most things from the conservative dipshits -seem that an accusation is to be considered a fact till proven wrong. And yet after 60 70 or court more cases, not a single fact to support mail in fraud allegations have been proven.
It must require a lot of time and naivety living in conspiracy land!
You know that place where they release the kraken from!
No - Widespread fraud and votes from any nefarious source. Not one case of proof involving any scale of fraud incl a few hundred or thousand votes.
So the mail being a worry HAS NEVER been proven - only alleged.
Like most things from the conservative dipshits -seem that an accusation is to be considered a fact till proven wrong. And yet after 60 70 or court more cases, not a single fact to support mail in fraud allegations have been proven.
It must require a lot of time and naivety living in conspiracy land!
You know that place where they release the kraken from!