It's no longer up for debate...

Trump was oblivious to anything but his own popularity. Warp speed was never led nor promoted by him. He was talking bout uv rays, bleach and horse medicine.

His team did an excellent job getting a vaccine to the public, though his supporters continue to cry hoax.

His team did an excellent job getting a vaccine to the public Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

^^^ This is the only true statement in your above post.

^^^ This is the only true statement in your above post. Originally Posted by lustylad

Ahh wasn't trumpf calling for bleach uv rays and horse meds?
Yes he was!

We may never know where the virus first started.

You are wrong about that. Plenty of people compared the covid response to Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina. No one was advocating for the president to fail. Your Liberal Derangement Syndrome just wants to see it that way. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Nope. They were openly rooting for Trump to fail, as covid deaths mounted and were tracked on scoreboards by CNN and MSNBC. Go back and read their 2020 articles in the New Republic, the Atlantic, the Nation. Dems sniped at everything Trump did - even as he banned airline flights from China, ramped up production of ventilators, sent hospital ships to New York and Long Beach, ordered the Army Corps of Engineers to convert convention centers into emergency facilities, launched Operation Warp Speed, etc. etc.

I saw all of this with my own eyes, unburdened by any kind of derangement syndrome.

The same can be said about the anti-vax, anti-science movement in the Republican party and how Republican politicians have politicized that. Ultimately that’s a greater danger to the long term health of the nation. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Very few people are 100% anti-vax. I might choose to take the vaccine for myself as a middle-aged person with a covid co-morbidity but NOT want my healthy child to take it, given the relative risks involved. That doesn't make me "anti-science"! In fact, I can make those decisions BASED on the science.

Democrats politicized it (not Republicans) when they started MANDATING covid vaccines as a requirement for school and/or work. Republicans merely reacted by saying - whoa! That should be a private decision each of us reaches individually after consulting with our doctor. When government starts intruding into our private lives in such an objectionable way, I'm for whichever political party stops the diktat drift. That's common sense.

You are right, Harris was wrong about her vaccine statements There was a reason she lost the election. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

She lost the election 4 years later for a ton of other reasons. I doubt if many voters even remembered her anti-trump, anti-vax pandering during the 2020 VP debate.

But do you remember Trump getting in a car with his secret service detail while he was spreading covid around. Do you think that was responsible? What kind of message did that send to the American people when he did that. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I don't remember the incident, but I don't think the secret service should stop protecting the President if/when he tests positive for covid. Biden caught it multiple times, and I don't recall him telling his SS detail to stay home.

I give credit where credit is due. The creators of the covid vaccines and the program that assisted them was a real coup for Trump. I just wish that he would have done the responsible thing and promoted it more rather than knuckle under to the vaccine skepticism in his own party. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Trump left office just as the vaccine was being rolled out. In Jan. 2021 there was no real skepticism about the covid vax. Most of us were scrambling to find a dispenser.

The skepticism came later, much of it fueled by false assurances made by Biden, Fauci, et al. - e.g. if you get the vaccine it means you won't get covid and can't spread it to others, etc. The vaccine "worked" by many measures, but it was a big mistake to oversell what "worked" actually means.

Revisionist history.

I don't remember being promised you wouldn't get it or transmit it to others.

I remember being told it would help prevent hospitalization and death.

I don't remember being promised you wouldn't get it or transmit it to others. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Biden’s positive test comes exactly one year to the day when he assured the American public that if you were vaccinated, you wouldn’t get the virus. He said this in Ohio during a town hall about the pandemic hosted by CNN’s Don Lemon.

“You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations,” Biden said on July 21, 2021. One year later, he did.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ive-for-covid/

Ahh wasn't trumpf calling for bleach uv rays and horse meds?
Yes he was!

We may never know where the virus first started. Originally Posted by winn dixie

Yes, we know where it started: Your tax dollars at work. Notwithstanding the use of Ivermectin was an off label use for horses. It was originally invented for people and is widely used world-wide as an over the counter preparation in many countries.

Nope. They were openly rooting for Trump to fail, as covid deaths mounted and were tracked on scoreboards by CNN and MSNBC. Go back and read their 2020 articles in the New Republic, the Atlantic, the Nation. Dems sniped at everything Trump did - even as he banned airline flights from China, ramped up production of ventilators, sent hospital ships to New York and Long Beach, ordered the Army Corps of Engineers to convert convention centers into emergency facilities, launched Operation Warp Speed, etc. etc.

I saw all of this with my own eyes, unburdened by any kind of derangement syndrome. Originally Posted by lustylad

Well all I can say is that we remember things very differently. I can’t speak to the media organizations you mentioned because I don’t read, listen or view any of them. If you have any specific articles that prove your point please point them out and I might have to change my mind. Personally I think you are seeing things through the lens of conservative media.

But we’re wandering off topic so i’ll end it here. This is about the report generated by The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic. Not differences in how liberal and conservative media report the news.

This is all bullshit.
It had one Trump lie after another. Trump refused to accept any blame for all the misinformation he pushed out. Plus he had his propaganda in his "press releases". He would sit there and randomly make shit up. What article did they write about claiming this was all Trump's fault?
Biden won the election, remember? It goes to remind you how everybody (181000000 people) wanted Trump's ass gone.

This is bullshit. It was the fucking Democrats and their thoroughly dishonest leftist media allies who POLITICIZED the tragedy from the get-go. They didn't even try to hide it. They wrote articles back in early 2020 instructing everyone to "turn covid into Trump's Katrina". Remember that, txdot? I do.

Think about it. A pandemic was killing hundreds of thousands of Americans - and all they cared about was how to exploit it politically! What kind of morally depraved fucks even think like that? Democrats did - and still do!

Operation Warp Speed was a huge success. It rolled out effective vaccines in record time of 9 months. Everything was all teed up for Biden/Harris in Jan. 2021 thanks to Donald Trump. Remember how Kamala said she wouldn't take a vaccine that Trump was responsible for? Then of course she took it - and urged everyone else to. What a cunt!

(What bullshit. Too bad you are lying out your ass. Fact check that statement. )

I really don't give a fuck if you refuse to give the Donald any credit for Operation Warp Speed. Future historians will. Originally Posted by lustylad

Biden won the election, remember? It goes to remind you how everybody (181000000 people) wanted Trump's ass gone. Originally Posted by Tigbitties38

And then, strangely enough, everybody wanted him back. It was only 5 weeks ago, remember?

How'd that happen? Maybe it's because your boy "Quid Pro Quo" Senile Joe made a mess of everything over the last 4 years. Including covid, after Trump teed him up for success by developing a vaccine in record time.

By the way, your 2020 number is "only" off by 100 million.

COVID was fake, it just bad cold and everything said to do just make it worse especially whering masks. mask don't let the cold germs out.

It wasn’t fake. A new flu strain did actually exist, it was just ridiculously overplayed as some killer virus that it wasn’t. Shutting down the country was by far the worst decision Trump made in his first term, although I do give him a bit of slack due to being propagandized but the same bullshit “WE’RE ALL GONNA FUCKING DIE” that everyone else was.