DOJ Now Reviewing the Whitmer Kidnapping Case

Too funny. Very easy to find the truth. If you really want to. Since you never provide any links, it's hilarious that you on the left demand them. Originally Posted by Lantern2814

So why don't you try proving your rant instead of your usual personal attacks against me or Salty? The FBI admitted they went to Michigan and set all this up with equipment and plans whether you like it or not. Your anger issues and personal attacks on me are very familiar. Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Dude, as any first year debate student knows, the burden of proof lies with the affirmative.

If the truth is so easy to find out, then find it and link it. If you (or your "mate") make a claim, then it's up to you to prove it, not "us on the left."

Otherwise, you're just beating your, ahem, GUMS!

This is a witch hunt conducted by a highly weaponized DOJ, who according to you will seek to nullify legal convictions in a legally prosecuted trial.

It's horse shit and you know it.

Now either put up, or well, keep beating your, ahem, GUMS!

Proof: convicted in a court of law and upheld on appeal.

(I don't have to look that up, do I?)

This is asinine.

More MAGA gaslighting.

We've seen it before. From my time here he's a mixture of a little Corny, (If you don't know, maybe someone will PM him). Fierce and combative but not a "scholar" as Barley. Cornster brought the links and attitude.

A lot of Salty in that it's gonna happen tomorrow like we have to look it up for him. And of course like a lot of others on his side unwilling to try and prove himself here.

In the end he will eventually wash out as only the strong survive this jungle.

Oh, I forgot about Hedonist. I show 'spec on his name as Forever was a decent to good writer. The writing is there with this guy, just not the backing. He can't even back himself here.

I hope he doesn't take this as a personal attack. But, we'll see.

Is the Whitmer kidnapping plot really going to be relitigated? Maybe he'll learn something about bringing evidence and showing credibility.









I was outnumbered once.

Hang in there.

... Hmmmmm... Surely would seem that you lads didn't follow
the Whitmer case the first time... Please educate yer-selves
with that. ... Then, you can demand answers here.

And there's MORE to it... Gretchen wasn't the onley Guv that
Biden's corrupt government officials were "targeting"
by recruiting and training lads, so they could coerce into
doing a kidnapping - then arrest them before it happens.

Trying to make it seem that Trumpers were behind it all.

... Glad to see more of the case being looked at...

#### Salty

See what I mean? They don't even see it. We have to educate ourselves. Not be "schooled" by them. Another "look it up because I'm just bullshitting" move.

Then of course she wasn't the only target that will be proven tomorrow. It's getting to the point of boring as fuck! Not even a little funny.

Just boring.

So why don't you try proving your rant instead of your usual personal attacks against me or Salty? The FBI admitted they went to Michigan and set all this up with equipment and plans whether you like it or not. Your anger issues and personal attacks on me are very familiar. Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Here's part of an article:


According to an FBI affidavit, an undercover source attended a June 2020 meeting in Ohio, where a group of Michigan-based militia members discussed overthrowing state governments "that they believed were violating the US Constitution".


That October, the bureau announced the arrests of 13 alleged plotters.

On the witness stand, two of the men - Ty Garbin, 26, and Kaleb Franks, 27 - said the participants acted of their own volition and were free to leave the group whenever they wanted. Both men had taken plea deals to avoid a prison sentence.




FBI agent Timothy "Red" Bates also took the stand, testifying that the group discussed blowing up bridges near the governor's house to thwart law enforcement.



But the defence alleged an FBI informant named Daniel "Big Dan" Chappel who infiltrated the group acted as a "double agent", befriending and radicalising the men to advance the plot.

Mr Harris - the only defendant of the four to take the stand - slammed Big Dan as "a liar" who "got scared by memes" shared within the group.

Mr Fox's lawyer also attacked Big Dan for "[beating] the drum and [getting] them all worked up".


Not. One. Fucking. Word. About. The. FBI. Setting. It. Up. Just a paid lawyer ALLEGING an informant radicalized the men. Here's a clue. If I convince you to rob a bank to pay for hookers, and you try to rob a bank, you're still guilty of a crime. Otherwise I could just say the MAGAts on this forum convinced me there was no law and order and do whatever the fuck I wanted.


Maybe you and some of your buddies need to take remedial reading classes.




Oh, and here's one of those things MAGAts can't figure out:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60999431

That's how it works, sir.

Here's part of an article:


According to an FBI affidavit, an undercover source attended a June 2020 meeting in Ohio, where a group of Michigan-based militia members discussed overthrowing state governments "that they believed were violating the US Constitution".


That October, the bureau announced the arrests of 13 alleged plotters.

On the witness stand, two of the men - Ty Garbin, 26, and Kaleb Franks, 27 - said the participants acted of their own volition and were free to leave the group whenever they wanted. Both men had taken plea deals to avoid a prison sentence.




FBI agent Timothy "Red" Bates also took the stand, testifying that the group discussed blowing up bridges near the governor's house to thwart law enforcement.



But the defence alleged an FBI informant named Daniel "Big Dan" Chappel who infiltrated the group acted as a "double agent", befriending and radicalising the men to advance the plot.

Mr Harris - the only defendant of the four to take the stand - slammed Big Dan as "a liar" who "got scared by memes" shared within the group.

Mr Fox's lawyer also attacked Big Dan for "[beating] the drum and [getting] them all worked up".


Not. One. Fucking. Word. About. The. FBI. Setting. It. Up. Just a paid lawyer ALLEGING an informant radicalized the men. Here's a clue. If I convince you to rob a bank to pay for hookers, and you try to rob a bank, you're still guilty of a crime. Otherwise I could just say the MAGAts on this forum convinced me there was no law and order and do whatever the fuck I wanted.


Maybe you and some of your buddies need to take remedial reading classes.




Oh, and here's one of those things MAGAts can't figure out:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60999431 Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Here's something you apparently can't figure out. Your own article admits the FBI was in on it. Funny you need a foreign "source" to attempt to prove your lies. They "discussed things". Not illegal. Free to leave? Of course, except the FBI plants were feeding them a bunch of lies to keep them involved. The FBI (proven by the way) supplied plans and equipment. Cry all you want, but the Biden FBI set those guys up. And you and every other leftist here knows it.

Hilarious!

Dan Chappel (born c. 1987), nicknamed "Big Dan", an Army veteran who served in the Iraq War. He has stated that he joined the Wolverine Watchmen in 2020 after finding them on Facebook, wanting to keep up his firearms skills, but contacted law enforcement after seeing the group's radicalization. After becoming an informant, Chappel became the group's "XO", or executive officer, the second-highest rank in the group, and then its highest-ranked officer after Morrison departed the group due to marital problems.Chappel taught the group tactical skills he had learned in the U.S. Army, offered the group use of a credit card (paid for by the FBI) to buy ammunition and supplies, and in summer 2020 spent hours on the phone with Fox planning the kidnapping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretch...idnapping_plot

So apparently the FBI supplied the leader of the organization, who trained members and helped plan the kidnapping, AND a credit card to buy ammunition and supplies. The FBI had twelve confidential informants and two agents involved in the operation.

Regardless, what a bunch of dumb asses. It takes a special kind of stupid to participate in a plan to kidnap a governor.

...If I convince you to rob a bank to pay for hookers, and you try to rob a bank, you're still guilty of a crime... Originally Posted by 69in2it69

Are you a confidential informant or FBI agent in this scenario? Are you guilty of a crime?

Thank you Chiquito.


In my groove. Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

You're my favorite Groucho Marxist Eccieuser! (I'm consolidating replies to try to avoid the ire of Biomed by going off topic.)

Here's something you apparently can't figure out. Your own article admits the FBI was in on it. Funny you need a foreign "source" to attempt to prove your lies. They "discussed things". Not illegal. Free to leave? Of course, except the FBI plants were feeding them a bunch of lies to keep them involved. The FBI (proven by the way) supplied plans and equipment. Cry all you want, but the Biden FBI set those guys up. And you and every other leftist here knows it. Originally Posted by Lantern2814

The highlight is where you provide a link. PM the wiki kid for dire assistance. You're going to be summarily dismissed if you keep this up.



Thank you Chiquito.








https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2569767

In my groove.

This isn’t a case of someone working off a charge by sleeping with and convincing their partner to pick up and deliver a package for them. (happens every day).


These people knew what they were doing involved assault, kidnapping, destruction of property, and murder. Whether they would have done so without the backing of the undercover agents is immaterial in my opinion. If you don’t know that was wrong and they have you committing an overt act then you deserve what you get.

Here's something you apparently can't figure out. Your own article admits the FBI was in on it. Funny you need a foreign "source" to attempt to prove your lies. They "discussed things". Not illegal. Free to leave? Of course, except the FBI plants were feeding them a bunch of lies to keep them involved. The FBI (proven by the way) supplied plans and equipment. Cry all you want, but the Biden FBI set those guys up. And you and every other leftist here knows it. Originally Posted by Lantern2814

You supply ZERO evidence the FBI supplied plans and equipment. Or are you saying an undercover investigation provided financial means for the planners of the crime to move it along as part of a LEGITIMATE investigation. You apparently know very little about how high level investigations work...legally.



I cited a foreign source to remove appearance of bias to a US political policy. That was for the ones with the intelligence over 3rd grade's benefit. Feel free to disregard if it doesn't apply.

Are you a confidential informant or FBI agent in this scenario? Are you guilty of a crime?


Fine distinction here...if I'm an informant, I could be guilty of a crime by trying to entice a criminal act to benefit myself...or aiding in the actual commitment of the crime, depending on WHY I promoted the act. If I'm a FBI agent, I'm guilty of entrapment. Referenced person was not an agent, he was an informant.

So why don't you try proving your rant instead of your usual personal attacks against me or Salty? The FBI admitted they went to Michigan and set all this up with equipment and plans whether you like it or not. Your anger issues and personal attacks on me are very familiar. Originally Posted by Lantern2814

... Not-onley did they admit it - they admitted it IN COURT.

But, no matter - the whole situation is NOW getting a look
from President Trump. ... Because of the shitty set-up.

Biden's FBI/DOJ recruited troublesome blokes and actually
schooled them in just how to kidnap people - and then
pointed them to Guv Whitmer - and then arrested those
blokes in a sting trap before it could happen.

#### Salty

... Not-onley did they admit it - they admitted it IN COURT.

But, no matter - the whole situation is NOW getting a look
from President Trump. ... Because of the shitty set-up.

Biden's FBI/DOJ recruited troublesome blokes and actually
schooled them in just how to kidnap people - and then
pointed them to Guv Whitmer - and then arrested those
blokes in a sting trap before it could happen.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

Again no links to support statements. And I feel the need to bring up remedial reading and cognitive reasoning of an child...