On Juneteenth, the legacy of slavery

As I said, none of that matters once they got to the shores of the US. For the sake of argument I will state that Africans dropped other Africans off at the shores of Maryland and Virginia and walked them onto US soil. All fine and dandy. That does not change what happened once they were here when they were then further enslaved and continued to be enslaved by Whites and some minuscule number of blacks.

That's not a bad idea. Besides Juneteenth is a stupid Holliday anyway. Blacks think they are the only ethnic group that endured slavery, they aren't. Originally Posted by Levianon17

What other race was enslaved in the US, and for how long?

What other race was enslaved in the US, and for how long? Originally Posted by 1blackman1

White Europeans.

As I said, none of that matters once they got to the shores of the US. For the sake of argument I will state that Africans dropped other Africans off at the shores of Maryland and Virginia and walked them onto US soil. All fine and dandy. That does not change what happened once they were here when they were then further enslaved and continued to be enslaved by Whites and some minuscule number of blacks. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

all of it matters or none of it matters. your obvious overemphasis of "once in the US" is a total downplay of the black involvement in africa. and if you want to continue to blame white people for this blame England. its their fault for making the US their colony with slavery in the first place.


we agree that there was a very small number of blacks who owned blacks in that era. there was also a very small number of whites in the deep south that owned slaves, about 2-3 percent. that means 97% of them didn't own slaves. other than the ones that died fighting for the CSA what do the rest of them owe anyone?

As I said, none of that matters once they got to the shores of the US. For the sake of argument I will state that Africans dropped other Africans off at the shores of Maryland and Virginia and walked them onto US soil. All fine and dandy. That does not change what happened once they were here when they were then further enslaved and continued to be enslaved by Whites and some minuscule number of blacks. Originally Posted by 1blackman1

No, they didn't

No, they didn't Originally Posted by Levianon17

Levianon, As I think you're aware, Blackman knows they didn't. He's just saying that how people got from Africa to our hemisphere doesn't absolve slave owners and slave traders in the Americas.

Levianon, As I think you're aware, Blackman knows they didn't. He's just saying that how people got from Africa to our hemisphere doesn't absolve slave owners and slave traders in the Americas. Originally Posted by Tiny

He probably doesn't even know how Africans became slaves and how they got from Africa to America.

He probably doesn't even know how Africans became slaves and how they got from Africa to America. Originally Posted by Levianon17

he knows. he thinks its the lessor of the sins of slavery.

he knows. he thinks its the lessor of the sins of slavery. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Well, countries in Africa where slavery and slave trading occurred still pay today for the sins of slavery, just like we do. That's the subject of Nathan Nunn's research in fact, referenced in the OP. Here's a bit more,

https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2008...erys-sway-html

Like I mentioned, you see something similar in homicide rates. They're much higher in African countries with a history of slave trading and slavery.

So yeah, there were plenty of mother fuckers to go around, black slave traders and slave owners in Africa, and their white equivalents in the New World.

He probably doesn't even know how Africans became slaves and how they got from Africa to America. Originally Posted by Levianon17

... Hang on for half-a-mo... No doubt 1blackman1 knows how
Africans became slaves and how they got to America.
Most people understand it.

But, as 1blackman1 stated - how they got to America really
don't matter in the grande scheme of the discussion.

... Because as He correctly reminds everybody:
No mater how or why the slaves got here - They Were Still
Placed Into Slavery!

... They were SLAVES here... No matter WHO brought them.
And THAT is 1blackman1's point.

... Just sayin'


... Though I am tryin' to figure how this thread is political.

#### Salty

... Hang on for half-a-mo... No doubt 1blackman1 knows how
Africans became slaves and how they got to America.
Most people understand it.

But, as 1blackman1 stated - how they got to America really
don't matter in the grande scheme of the discussion.

... Because as He correctly reminds everybody:
No mater how or why the slaves got here - They Were Still
Placed Into Slavery!

... They were SLAVES here... No matter WHO brought them.
And THAT is 1blackman1's point.

... Just sayin'


... Though I am tryin' to figure how this thread is political.

#### Salty Originally Posted by Salty Again

From the OP Salty,

The institution of slavery ended over 150 years ago. Its legacy unfortunately continues. I don't know what the solution is. Perhaps esteemed board members have some ideas. Originally Posted by Tiny

The problem, slavery, was political in nature. And solutions to its legacy, if they exist, will be political. We got sidetracked.

Africans were organized as tribes. Many hated and feared each other. When there came time to make a buck capturing other tribes and selling them, they had no issues doing that.

Surprised the native Indians did not do the same. Many hated each other. But they were not much located in the sugar producing areas.

If you want to study extreme slavery, study the experience of the places on the upper coast of South America and Haiti.

Africans were organized as tribes. Many hated and feared each other. When there came time to make a buck capturing other tribes and selling them, they had no issues doing that.

Surprised the native Indians did not do the same. Many hated each other. But they were not much located in the sugar producing areas.

If you want to study extreme slavery, study the experience of the places on the upper coast of South America and Haiti. Originally Posted by VitaMan

... Yes, I understand that, Vita.. You may be correct.

But, I agree-with 1blackman1's point that no matter
of WHO sold WHO - they were still slaves here.

#### Salty

I agree this is sandbox material

I agree this is sandbox material Originally Posted by VitaMan

You’re all about staying on topic, while I don’t care, except that we get pointed. If you return to the subject of the OP, the modern day consequences of slavery and what to do about it, this is definitely political, every much so as the state of the economy and the budget. As to the rest of the thread, you’re getting some insight as to how many Republicans and Democrats cast blame for the current situation.