Big Beautiful Bill passes in Congress and goes to President Trump's desk to be signed into law

First, let me say that your statement that I highlighted in red above is not true at all. You won't see this "a year from now." The new requirements don't take effect until December 2026.

Wanna know why?

It's because the fucking mid-term elections will be over by then!

Yeah. Deflection. Misdirection. It's what they do.

They will hold off the worst effects on this until after the mid-terms so that they don't get their asses handed to them when people start to realize how bad this is.

The rest of your post is so riddled with inaccuracies that it is obvious you either don't understand the statistics or chose to ignore them. Either way, you won't believe anything I say.

But the low estimate is that 10.5 Million lose healthcare coverage. The high estimate, that many believe is closer is 17 Million. MANY of them will be people that qualify but fuck up or get caught up in bureaucracy.

They are making it more difficult to qualify for the benefit because they KNOW people will fuck up or not bother. They are counting on it. It is the only way for them to save money. Cuz this "fraud" bullshit ain't gonna pay off very well either. Originally Posted by rooster
Okay,Instead of saying a year from now, how about when the year 2028 comes, we will be voting for JD Vance because of the Big Beautiful Bill. Keep giving me those CNN statistics.

The bottom line is that lazy people are going to have to work. The scam is over. Hell, I'm a Black American. I know my culture. I see it every day, these kids are lazy and don't want to do nothing with their lives. All I see is that they want big daddy government to take care of them. Tragic, in a country where you can make something out of your life, but instead get brainwashed into dependency. Again, the people who really need Medicaid will continue to have it. That I do understand.
It is amazing how so many of you just repeat the things MAGA gaslights you with.

"Well body Americans" don't have to go to the doctor! They use very little healthcare. Throwing them off won't save anything.

Same with "illegals." Most of them aren't getting shit. And a lot of them are paying IN to the system.

Wanna know the ONLY FUCKING WAY you save money on Medicaid?

You get rid of the very old and the very sick! The ones you spend all of your money on.

And that is what they will be doing. To millions.

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I'm curiuos as to where you live. In my part of the world, by the border, i've got personal experience with 30-40 young, healthy adults, that live off of the government. And are the 3rd generation to do so. Housing is paid for, and Section8 house here is very nice, full gated communties with pools and gyms and daycare. Medical is paid for, food is paid for, phone and internet is paid for. We're talking full rides for 21-30 year olds that are healthy and can work. But why should they? I can't blame them, it's what they know and are cool with it. They go out 4-5 days a week, drink and party, and live a very good life. And they don't have to work. Between that, and the massive amounts of fraud, we could save twice the amount cut and still not effect and actual person that NEEDS IT.

The bottom line is that lazy people are going to have to work. The scam is over. Hell, I'm a Black American. I know my culture. I see it every day, these kids are lazy and don't want to do nothing with their lives. All I see is that they want big daddy government to take care of them. Tragic, in a country where you can make something out of your life, but instead get brainwashed into dependency. Again, the people who really need Medicaid will continue to have it. That I do understand. Originally Posted by Mr69Jones
That's what i'm saying. If you're blue or white collar and you never deal with people in that arena, you have no idea the amount of kids that are on full government rides. They know how to game the system, and once the family is in it, it's so much easier to get "assitance."
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Jeezis. Is this over with yet?

As I said, you either don't understand the statistics or you ignore them.

Your personal experiences don't refute my arguments one bit.

I will also say that you don't know anything about me. I keep personal details to a minimum here, but I will let you know that I come from a childhood of AMAZING poverty. You likely have no concept. And you probably have no clue how many desperate people there are who have nothing...and who will now have less. They won't be able to meet the work requirements, they won't be able to meet the increased bureaucratic roadblocks thrown in their paths. They will just lose. Things will get that much worse for them. Like they always do. For millions. MILLIONS.

You think you can target the people that you have experience with, that you speak about above, and that this will be effective. Save us all kinds of money. It won't. They aren't doing precision surgery here. They are going to amputate major limbs.

But this is what MAGA does: repeats the populist exaggerations that they have been spoon-fed, then...when presented with facts and logic...answers with irrelevant, emotional rhetoric.

I only offer the "personal experience" that I did to set the inference aside that I might not have experience with "blue collar" folk or might live in some isolated, privileged area.

Otherwise, I have given facts and statistics.

But enough.

Give me some facts, some statistics to back up your arguments. Or you and I are done here. I'm not wasting more time using logic in back-and-forth emotional arguments like this. You don't seem to care.

Which is my biggest problem with MAGA. They don't seem to care. Empathy, tolerance...all gone. Those traits are considered weaknesses now.

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What is it you said about Medicaid the crackdown on it and the implications of it.
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Maybe the Left figures that if someone is industrious enough to figure out a way to scam Medicaid, then they deserve it.
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What would be helpful is if any of the links provided in post #20 actually went anywhere.
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WOW! What the heck was that?

Looks like someone's been asking AI to do his work for him.

What is your point bb? What do your facts prove?
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this is a win for all Americans and for the world


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/con...ght-house-vote


if this didn't pass, your Federal income tax for anyone above the 15% bracket would had gone up as much as 11%


Now American taxpayers have more money in their pockets to spend, spending boosts the economy, create jobs Originally Posted by CG2014
Good for all Americans? Not for the Americans that are on Medicaid. The state of North Carolina has over 700,000 people on Medicaid. That is probably why the Republican Senator from North Carolina voted No for Trumps bill.

They could have extended the Trump tax cuts of 2017 without taking $900 billion from Medicaid.

The top 1% don't need a tax cut. Jeff Bezos could afford that 50 million dollar wedding in Italy without a tax cut.
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Maybe the Left figures that if someone is industrious enough to figure out a way to scam Medicaid, then they deserve it. Originally Posted by Jacky S
Maybe MAGA figures they can just keep denying how many people this will hurt by making irrelevant statements like this.

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Everybody gets sick and need Medicaid if they don't have any other medical insurance. They just won't have it if they decide not to work. Every elderly and disable American will still receive Medicaid. We will see a year from now how this plays out and who's being gaslighted. Originally Posted by Mr69Jones
I think you missed his point. These immigrants you so complain about put a shit ton of money in SSN without having any chance of getting anything out of it. They are a net plus for Medicaid and such. I don't even need to post a link to it since there are so many unbiased sources that say such.

Okay,Instead of saying a year from now, how about when the year 2028 comes, we will be voting for JD Vance because of the Big Beautiful Bill. Keep giving me those CNN statistics.

The bottom line is that lazy people are going to have to work. The scam is over. Hell, I'm a Black American. I know my culture. I see it every day, these kids are lazy and don't want to do nothing with their lives. All I see is that they want big daddy government to take care of them. Tragic, in a country where you can make something out of your life, but instead get brainwashed into dependency. Again, the people who really need Medicaid will continue to have it. That I do understand. Originally Posted by Mr69Jones
M69J, I gotta say, this sounds hilarious to *me*.

Been my observation (being in Houston) that people in this country who come straight from Africa look down at African Americans for the reason you give. And those guy doing the looking are pretty hard working hombres. Always wondered why your guy is so hateful towards shithole foreigners.

Maybe the Left figures that if someone is industrious enough to figure out a way to scam Medicaid, then they deserve it. Originally Posted by Jacky S
You mean the way donny scams and cheats?
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I like these pom poms better.

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