He just locked up my vote

It doesn’t matter what I think. It is what the administration can prove before executing everyone on the boat. What if some of the people on the boat were being trafficked or were forced labor? We’ll never know now will we.

As far as if it’s a war crime or not I am not qualified to speak to that. In my personal opinion I think that it is. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

when did the US declare war with Venezuela? you can't have a war crime without a war and don't expect me to care one bit about any of them.

It doesn’t matter what I think. It is what the administration can prove before executing everyone on the boat. What if some of the people on the boat were being trafficked or were forced labor? We’ll never know now will we. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

... Also reckon it's within the possibility that those
on the boat might have been either transgenders or
people ready to reveal the Epstein client list - and then
Trump blew the boat to kingdom come...

... No matter, the liberal media will phrase it that-way.

... But I also agree that Vice-President Vance surely had
the proper take on what happened...

#### Salty

when did the US declare war with Venezuela? you can't have a war crime without a war and don't expect me to care one bit about any of them. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Distinction without a difference. It’s not a war crime it’s just a crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distin...t_a_difference

War crimes...hasn't Putin been declared a war criminal with no war ?

There is no declared war here or Ukraine.

Royal Caribbean canceling Caribbean cruises due to violence.

One of many unintended consequences. Did Vance ever think about that ?

Distinction without a difference. It’s not a war crime it’s just a crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distin...t_a_difference Originally Posted by txdot-guy

lol nonsense deflection argument.

who said it was a crime? is it a crime to arrest a criminal? must be a lot of "guilty" cops out there


if Obama or Biden had taken action you'd hail them as great leaders protecting America. Trump does it and he's a dictator who committed war crimes


hypocrisy at it's finest

Royal Caribbean canceling Caribbean cruises due to violence.

One of many unintended consequences. Did Vance ever think about that ? Originally Posted by VitaMan

No because it has nothing to do with Venezuela and the Navy action


Royal Caribbean is canceling visits to its private destination, Labadee, Haiti, through at least October 31, 2025, due to the ongoing civil unrest and gang violence in the nation. The decision is a precautionary measure for guest and crew safety, as the U.S. State Department has issued a Level 4 "Do Not Travel" advisory for Haiti due to widespread crime and instability.


you knew that but you like to headline grab without links


oh look here's a link from August announcing this ..


https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...s/85479228007/


this was before the Navy action and it doesn't have anything to do with it or Venezuela

Don't cops have that authority only in their jurisdiction ?

You are welcome to mention other unintended consequences.

I do like off duty cops blowing away criminals when they have no idea what is about to happen. A lot of those incidents in Brazil and Venezuela.

Don't cops have that authority only in their jurisdiction ?

You are welcome to mention other unintended consequences.

I do like off duty cops blowing away criminals when they have no idea what is about to happen. A lot of those incidents in Brazil and Venezuela. Originally Posted by VitaMan

none of which is why this happened


Royal Caribbean is canceling visits to its private destination, Labadee, Haiti,


cops have nothing to do with it. it's a Navy interdiction which we have been doing for decades. under every president R or D but to you it's all about how much false nonsense you can blame on Trump

You mentioned cops

I haven't mentioned anything about Trump. Yet you as a prime MAGA feel a need to defend him

War crimes...hasn't Putin been declared a war criminal with no war ?

There is no declared war here or Ukraine. Originally Posted by VitaMan

How did this thread turn into Putin and Ukraine? Seems like it is about a Naval interdiction. Thread hijack much.

Others were discussing if the Naval interdiction
could be a war crime. I didn't introduce the idea.

Take it from there.

Are you going to add anything useful or just complain ?

when did the US declare war with Venezuela? you can't have a war crime without a war and don't expect me to care one bit about any of them. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

lol nonsense deflection argument.

who said it was a crime? is it a crime to arrest a criminal? must be a lot of "guilty" cops out there

if Obama or Biden had taken action you'd hail them as great leaders protecting America. Trump does it and he's a dictator who committed war crimes Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

I’m afraid your argument is the deflection not mine. Declaring Trump’s actions as OK because we’re not at war is a total deflection and you know it.

If Obama or Biden did go about blowing up vessels in international waters without any approval from congress then there would be no cheering from me.

Obama or Biden had the opportunity to declare war on drug smugglers and the Coast Guard carried out many drug interdiction operations during both Obama and Biden’s presidencies. They just were smart enough not to commit international crimes while doing so.

I’m afraid your argument is the deflection not mine. Declaring Trump’s actions as OK because we’re not at war is a total deflection and you know it.

If Obama or Biden did go about blowing up vessels in international waters without any approval from congress then there would be no cheering from me.

Obama or Biden had the opportunity to declare war on drug smugglers and the Coast Guard carried out many drug interdiction operations during both Obama and Biden’s presidencies. They just were smart enough not to commit international crimes while doing so. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

no approval is needed. Trump like Obama and Biden is CIC and he can direct the military to strike without a formal approval. did Obama have formal congressional approval for his many drone strikes? one at least that killed Americans?


was that a crime against an American citizen? and a war crime against other nations?


by your Trump logic it is. by your liberal logic Obama is a homo .. er ... hero!


bahhaaaa

no approval is needed. Trump like Obama and Biden is CIC and he can direct the military to strike without a formal approval. did Obama have formal congressional approval for his many drone strikes? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Actually he did. It’s called the AUMF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Author...xt_of_the_AUMF

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the U.S. by such nations, organizations or persons.

I believe that reason that Trump and his team refer to the tren de aragua gang as Narco-Terrorists is because they want to use the AUMF as their legal basis for their actions but I find it hard to fathom the connection between Venezuelan drug traffickers and Al Queda.


https://robertcliftonrobinson.com/20...onal-approval/

The History Of Presidential Orders For Military Strikes Without Congressional Approval
BY ROBERT CLIFTON ROBINSON on JUNE 22, 2025 •

The Following Chart Illustrates 9 Incidents Where Presidents Ordered Military Actions Without The Approval of Congress.

Actually he did. It’s called the AUMF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Author...xt_of_the_AUMF

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the U.S. by such nations, organizations or persons.

I believe that reason that Trump and his team refer to the tren de aragua gang as Narco-Terrorists is because they want to use the AUMF as their legal basis for their actions but I find it hard to fathom the connection between Venezuelan drug traffickers and Al Queda.


https://robertcliftonrobinson.com/20...onal-approval/

The History Of Presidential Orders For Military Strikes Without Congressional Approval
BY ROBERT CLIFTON ROBINSON on JUNE 22, 2025 •

The Following Chart Illustrates 9 Incidents Where Presidents Ordered Military Actions Without The Approval of Congress.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

congrats. you've just proved my point Trump didn't need any approval unless you also want to claim each of these other presidents also committed "war crimes" and/or acted "illegally" in doing so.

brilliant!

anything else you claim that you would like to prove false also?
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