- Jacuzzme
- 10-04-2025, 08:53 AM
How about -you- for a source, since asylum seekers are what the majority of illegal border crossers claim to be, even though economic migrants don’t qualify as such?
- HDGristle
- 10-04-2025, 09:28 AM
Not factual unless you're playing fast and loose with numbers, J.
If you look at 2023 there were 945,000 applications while you guys were ranting and raving about 10 million encounters (which I've pointed out includes duplicates, but also includes individuals who weren't eligible for asylum from prior denied claims, individuals barred from entry and individuals who were immediately removed).
Only 287,000 asylum claims were even granted between 2013 and 2022. There were only 239,000 affirmative asylum cases filed in 2022.
Trying to make the halthcare about "illegals" is just more of the same old xenophobic fearmongering that the GOP has been feeding every day for over a decade now
It's bullshit like this that each side picks to use as a reason to hold up funding or scapegoat why they can't do their jobs.
If you look at 2023 there were 945,000 applications while you guys were ranting and raving about 10 million encounters (which I've pointed out includes duplicates, but also includes individuals who weren't eligible for asylum from prior denied claims, individuals barred from entry and individuals who were immediately removed).
Only 287,000 asylum claims were even granted between 2013 and 2022. There were only 239,000 affirmative asylum cases filed in 2022.
Trying to make the halthcare about "illegals" is just more of the same old xenophobic fearmongering that the GOP has been feeding every day for over a decade now
It's bullshit like this that each side picks to use as a reason to hold up funding or scapegoat why they can't do their jobs.
- Jacuzzme
- 10-04-2025, 10:48 AM
So only a million-ish illegal aliens in a single year are eligible for taxpayer funded health insurance. Well, it’s all good then I guess.
- HDGristle
- 10-04-2025, 12:52 PM
No. Just because there was an application doesn't mean they got healthcare.
Please try to dig a little deeper
Please try to dig a little deeper
- Jacuzzme
- 10-04-2025, 02:55 PM
According to eye, they’re all eligible unless you’ve got a different definition of ‘asylum seekers’. For policy purposes, it doesn’t really matter if they did the paperwork and received it. The fact that they can/could’ve is enough to disallow it.
- HDGristle
- 10-04-2025, 03:50 PM
Not what he said, but distorting messages is how we got here.
- lustylad
- 10-04-2025, 06:50 PM
- lustylad
- 10-04-2025, 07:02 PM
There are millions of ppl here pursuing bogus asylum claims who... are signed up for that or other government programs as such. Originally Posted by eyecu2FTFY.
Here ya go, eye...
"The Working Families Tax Cut Act (WFTCA), signed into law by President Trump, contains the most important America First healthcare reforms ever enacted. The policies represent a comprehensive effort to address waste, fraud, and abuse to strengthen the healthcare system for the most vulnerable Americans, ensuring that taxpayer dollars are focused on American citizens and do not subsidize healthcare for illegal immigrants.
Democrats are demanding these reforms be repealed as a condition of keeping the government open for four weeks. This would result in the federal government spending nearly $200 billion on healthcare for illegal immigrants and non-citizens over the next decade—nearly enough to fund the entire Children’s Health Insurance Program over the same period—all while repealing reforms that strengthen care for the most vulnerable Americans."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/...-for-illegals/
- lustylad
- 10-04-2025, 07:25 PM
Let's get real. Taxpayers have been picking up the tab for illegal immigrant healthcare for decades now!
Here's an article from 2016. That's 9 years ago - way before Biden's ruinous ultra-left technocrats got in there and REALLY loosened up the Medicaid rules, allowing states to engage in all kinds of financial subterfuge in claiming reimbursement from the feds for their non-citizen healthcare costs (which were soaring due to Biden's recklessly irresponsible 2001-2004 open-borders policy).
"Another potential source of health care savings... is the taxpayer money that now goes to illegal immigrants, under the radar, pursuant to the skulduggery of state and local Democrats who deliberately circumvent the federal government’s ostensible ban on funding such medical services. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported that 80 percent of the counties with the highest number of illegal immigrants provide them “free” health care services, including surgery and prescription drugs. Extrapolated across the nation, this amounts to billions of dollars in care.
According to the Journal, illegal immigrants receive taxpayer-funded care in Los Angeles, CA (135,000), Santa Barbara, CA (54,000), Boston, MA (103,000), Queens County, NY (71,000), Montgomery County, MD (25,000), ad infinitum. And this is, to coin a phrase, just the tip of the iceberg."
https://spectator.org/the-cost-of-pr...llegal-aliens/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal...cy-1458850082?
Here's an article from 2016. That's 9 years ago - way before Biden's ruinous ultra-left technocrats got in there and REALLY loosened up the Medicaid rules, allowing states to engage in all kinds of financial subterfuge in claiming reimbursement from the feds for their non-citizen healthcare costs (which were soaring due to Biden's recklessly irresponsible 2001-2004 open-borders policy).
"Another potential source of health care savings... is the taxpayer money that now goes to illegal immigrants, under the radar, pursuant to the skulduggery of state and local Democrats who deliberately circumvent the federal government’s ostensible ban on funding such medical services. In 2016, the Wall Street Journal reported that 80 percent of the counties with the highest number of illegal immigrants provide them “free” health care services, including surgery and prescription drugs. Extrapolated across the nation, this amounts to billions of dollars in care.
According to the Journal, illegal immigrants receive taxpayer-funded care in Los Angeles, CA (135,000), Santa Barbara, CA (54,000), Boston, MA (103,000), Queens County, NY (71,000), Montgomery County, MD (25,000), ad infinitum. And this is, to coin a phrase, just the tip of the iceberg."
https://spectator.org/the-cost-of-pr...llegal-aliens/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal...cy-1458850082?
- lustylad
- 10-04-2025, 07:30 PM
- lustylad
- 10-04-2025, 07:44 PM
Perhaps you could cite a real reference for these claims. Nobody has suggested that any illegal is getting healthcare unless they went to a hospital and gave false information...Gee I dunno eye, does THIS look like a REPUTABLE source to you? Raise your hand if the answer is "yes"!
Where do you RedHats get this baloney?
If you know of ANY REPUTABLE source that can demonstrate that, please share it. Originally Posted by eyecu2
From the 2019 Democrat Presidential debates:
- lustylad
- 10-04-2025, 08:07 PM
Blimey! Lookee here!
Even the Editorial Board of the far-left Washington Post is telling the Democrats they are screwing themselves!!
Democrats marched into a shutdown trap
Progressives, like the Freedom Caucus before them, are urging their party in a dangerous direction.
October 1, 2025
“Hell no.”
That was the response from Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas), chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, to reports on Monday that Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-New York) was sounding out members of his caucus about a deal that would have kept the government open for seven to 10 days while party leaders negotiated a longer-term resolution. Similarly unyielding reactions from other members forced Schumer to abandon the idea.
Thus the Democratic Party shut off any potential escape valve to avoid a shutdown, which began at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday. In doing so, progressives embraced the same disastrous mentality that led the House Freedom Caucus to believe it could come out ahead in previous government funding standoffs: They wrongly assumed their political leverage would withstand the ensuing fallout.
Left-wing Democrats, like the Freedom Caucus before them, enter this shutdown in a position of weakness. President Donald Trump and his budget director, Russell Vought, now have extraordinary authority to choose which agencies to close, what spending to prioritize and even which government workers to lay off. As Trump warned on Tuesday, “We can do things during the shutdown that are irreversible.”
Expect him to follow through in a way that maximizes pain for Democrats, who will probably face pressure from their allies in government labor unions after employees are fired and others are forced to work without pay. While congressional Democrats have so far put up a mostly unified front, coalescing around a demand to extend Affordable Care Act subsidies that expire at the end of the year, there’s no guarantee the party’s resolve will last.
In early 2019, during the last shutdown, Trump attempted to force Democrats to cough up border wall funding — and ended up caving after 35 days without getting a cent. The Freedom Caucus’s tea party predecessors, led by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), also failed to defund the ACA in 2013 before retreating. It was futile obstinacy that distracted from the disastrous rollout of HealthCare.gov, the website created to help implement the law.
Even if Republicans decide to eventually come to the table for a compromise on health care this time around, the details could splinter the left, especially if they include conservative priorities. (Any deal that Trump cuts with Democrats on ACA subsidies would prompt some rank-and-file Republicans to vote against the compromise.)
So chances are slim that the two parties could ever come to terms that Democratic activists would view as a decisive victory. Yet the party’s base wants them to fight anyway, even if it means holding the government hostage.
None of this is to say that Democrats are solely to blame for this shutdown. Republican leaders knew they would need Democratic buy-in to keep the government running, yet they projected little interest in serious talks. At least eight Senate Democrats must join the Republicans to pass a funding bill, because Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) has said he will vote against it. Trump’s provocative social media jabs also have not been helpful, including an offensive AI-generated video posted on Monday that purported to show Schumer denigrating his own party with profane language.
Nevertheless, the public has proved to be unsupportive of lawmakers who create unnecessary crises to extract political concessions. Democrats who quietly favor a shutdown dismiss this as trite conventional wisdom. Republicans haven’t been afraid of hardball politics, and they have seemingly suffered no meaningful consequences for it. So why not play their own game, especially when Democratic voters are eager to see elected officials stand up to Trump?
The answer is simple: The Freedom Caucus’s tactics have failed to achieve Republicans’ goals every time. There is no reason to think this shutdown will end any differently for its left-wing counterpart. The most likely outcome is that Democrats will come to regret having walked into a trap.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...reedom-caucus/
Even the Editorial Board of the far-left Washington Post is telling the Democrats they are screwing themselves!!
Democrats marched into a shutdown trap
Progressives, like the Freedom Caucus before them, are urging their party in a dangerous direction.
October 1, 2025
“Hell no.”
That was the response from Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas), chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, to reports on Monday that Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-New York) was sounding out members of his caucus about a deal that would have kept the government open for seven to 10 days while party leaders negotiated a longer-term resolution. Similarly unyielding reactions from other members forced Schumer to abandon the idea.
Thus the Democratic Party shut off any potential escape valve to avoid a shutdown, which began at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday. In doing so, progressives embraced the same disastrous mentality that led the House Freedom Caucus to believe it could come out ahead in previous government funding standoffs: They wrongly assumed their political leverage would withstand the ensuing fallout.
Left-wing Democrats, like the Freedom Caucus before them, enter this shutdown in a position of weakness. President Donald Trump and his budget director, Russell Vought, now have extraordinary authority to choose which agencies to close, what spending to prioritize and even which government workers to lay off. As Trump warned on Tuesday, “We can do things during the shutdown that are irreversible.”
Expect him to follow through in a way that maximizes pain for Democrats, who will probably face pressure from their allies in government labor unions after employees are fired and others are forced to work without pay. While congressional Democrats have so far put up a mostly unified front, coalescing around a demand to extend Affordable Care Act subsidies that expire at the end of the year, there’s no guarantee the party’s resolve will last.
In early 2019, during the last shutdown, Trump attempted to force Democrats to cough up border wall funding — and ended up caving after 35 days without getting a cent. The Freedom Caucus’s tea party predecessors, led by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), also failed to defund the ACA in 2013 before retreating. It was futile obstinacy that distracted from the disastrous rollout of HealthCare.gov, the website created to help implement the law.
Even if Republicans decide to eventually come to the table for a compromise on health care this time around, the details could splinter the left, especially if they include conservative priorities. (Any deal that Trump cuts with Democrats on ACA subsidies would prompt some rank-and-file Republicans to vote against the compromise.)
So chances are slim that the two parties could ever come to terms that Democratic activists would view as a decisive victory. Yet the party’s base wants them to fight anyway, even if it means holding the government hostage.
None of this is to say that Democrats are solely to blame for this shutdown. Republican leaders knew they would need Democratic buy-in to keep the government running, yet they projected little interest in serious talks. At least eight Senate Democrats must join the Republicans to pass a funding bill, because Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) has said he will vote against it. Trump’s provocative social media jabs also have not been helpful, including an offensive AI-generated video posted on Monday that purported to show Schumer denigrating his own party with profane language.
Nevertheless, the public has proved to be unsupportive of lawmakers who create unnecessary crises to extract political concessions. Democrats who quietly favor a shutdown dismiss this as trite conventional wisdom. Republicans haven’t been afraid of hardball politics, and they have seemingly suffered no meaningful consequences for it. So why not play their own game, especially when Democratic voters are eager to see elected officials stand up to Trump?
The answer is simple: The Freedom Caucus’s tactics have failed to achieve Republicans’ goals every time. There is no reason to think this shutdown will end any differently for its left-wing counterpart. The most likely outcome is that Democrats will come to regret having walked into a trap.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...reedom-caucus/
- HDGristle
- 10-04-2025, 08:50 PM
- oldman2525
- 10-04-2025, 08:53 PM
Perhaps you could cite a real reference for these claims. Nobody has suggested that any illegal is getting healthcare unless they went to a hospital and gave false information.
And the only non citizens eligible for either healthcare or Medicaid are asylum seekers and legal non- citizens who are here again, legally . Nobody else can legally get anything. Where do you RedHats get this baloney?
Is that what Fox is pushing out there today? Jesse Waters and Guttfield telling you this nonsense.
If you know of ANY REPUTABLE source that can demonstrate that, please share it. Originally Posted by eyecu2
apparently you know as much about healthcare as you do jesus....
anyone who goes to an emergency room is treated including illegals and guess who pays for that?
- HDGristle
- 10-04-2025, 08:55 PM
apparently you know as much about healthcare as you do jesus....That's not same as having healthcare or on point to his point.
anyone who goes to an emergency room is treated including illegals and guess who pays for that? Originally Posted by oldman2525
Between this strawman and Lusty's video we better hope no one lights a match