If this is not insurrection . . .

No. They were attempting to stop congress from doing their job of governing. That’s the insurrection.

They fought police and other things. Those are crimes but are not in and of themselves insurrection. Everyone that fights a cop or resists arrest isn’t committing an act of insurrection.

Was Alabama Gov. George Wallace an insurrectionist when he resisted the National Guard and blocked the door at the U. of Alabama in 1963?

How is that any different from Gov. Jay Pritzker and Mayor Brandon Johnson resisting lawful efforts by ICE to arrest criminal illegals in Chicago today?

No. They were attempting to stop congress from doing their job of governing. That’s the insurrection... Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I thought theirs was a Constitutional right, as in the underlined below:

First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Maybe those words mean; but only if you are an approved Democrat citizen perhaps??

Was Alabama Gov. George Wallace an insurrectionist when he resisted the National Guard and blocked the door at the U. of Alabama in 1963?

How is that any different from Gov. Jay Pritzker and Mayor Brandon Johnson resisting lawful efforts by ICE to arrest criminal illegals in Chicago today? Originally Posted by lustylad

It’s not an insurrection. I don’t agree with Wallace and his actions were wrong. But the national government can use the military to enforce federal law when the state fails to do so. Which is exactly what they did. I suspect you’d. agree that Wallace wasn’t committing an insurrection but he was impeding the enforcement of the federal law and the rights of his black citizens.

Is that the same as not aiding the federal law enforcement from
Performing their duties. As I understand it Chicago is not helping ICE. They are not impeding ICE. Protestors are not the state and the 1st Amendment says they can protest. The governor and mayor have every right to resist the guard deployment for an insurrection as there is none. As for whether the federal govt can deploy the military to protect a federal building claiming crime is beyond the ability of the police and federal officers, I suspect those grounds don’t really exist.

I grew ump in the turmoil of the 1960s.

I was taught that the red line between legal protest and activism and insurrection was advocating for or actually committing violence against the government.

The ultimate act of insurrection of course is the removal of an elected official through assignation.

When a local, egioal or state official, be they mayor or governor orders subordinates to resist the lawful actions of federal law enforcement officers, that too is insurrection.

The Civil War began with local force3s began shooting at the Federal installation at Fort Sumter upon the election of President Lincoln. That was insurrection. This is only different in scale from assaulting a federal installation in Chicago or Portland or . . . .assaulting ICE officers by ramming with a car.

I thought theirs was a Constitutional right, as in the underlined below:Maybe those words mean; but only if you are an approved Democrat citizen perhaps?? Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Breaking into the Capitol and fighting the police and breaking windows to gain entry doesn’t strike me as very peaceful. I suppose the republicans definition of peaceful only applies tviolence when it’s righties that do it. But I won’t go back and forth with you. We all watched live as righties fought police, waged nazi flags, broke windows, scaled the sides of the capitol and entered the building to stop the congress feom certifying the election. If you missed it, it’s available on the internet. They even played it live on Fox.

I grew ump in the turmoil of the 1960s.

I was taught that the red line between legal protest and activism and insurrection was advocating for or actually committing violence against the government.

The ultimate act of insurrection of course is the removal of an elected official through assignation.

When a local, egioal or state official, be they mayor or governor orders subordinates to resist the lawful actions of federal law enforcement officers, that too is insurrection. Originally Posted by ICU 812

So you agree that the J6 individuals were insurrectionists, by your statements. And that Trump was one as well.

In he OP (post #1) I indicated that the events of Jan 6th, 2020 had been exhaustively explored on this forum in the past.

The topic of this thread is recent acts of opposition and violence that constitute insurrection.

Discussion of Jan 6th in this thread is a topic hijack.