Session 4 Photo's(photograpy)

hmmmm role playing photographer and playboy spread.

Lol. You said, "spread".

I've been semi lucky in this department. I've had one photographer contact me who wanted to take pics for his portifolio. It was not in exchange for service though. It was at a studio so I was comfortable with it. He paid me for the shoot, so I guess I was a freelance model at one point in time (guess i should add that to my resume....lol)

Next time I had an appointment with a photographer he took pics, and we had some BCD afterwards.No trade for service in this situation also. I have always received my photos though.

As to photographers: Never trade for services. Photographers that do that can`t possibly be any good..:-). I have been working as model and still do sometimes and i know a dime or two about such sleezebags (just FYI - nowadays photographers who are REALLY good get the money and the sex ;-)).... (lol).... there are too many mediocre models out there wanting portfolio stuff...). Choose female photographers. They also have the habit of looking at your overall poses unlike the males who (except if they work for vogue or are really good) preferably look at your tits and your ass and that is what you get afterwards - tits and ass photos.

To modelmayhem: very rarely - very rarely are there really great photographers on it - if they are on it, none would do for free.

To TFP/TFCD or whatever: copyrights can be an issue - you get shared copyrights at best - which means that no one is allowed to sell them or use them for commercial purposes. so IF you do publish them at your escort site for hiring for work - the photographer (if he finds out) can sue you for copyright issues.

I don`t know about USA but in Europe plenty of photographers have started to file DMCA complaints to escort advertising platforms because girls used their photos unauthorized for escort work (many did not tell it was for work or even that they work as escorts) so the directories have been asking "models" for proof that they are authorized to use the work recently.

which brings me to the next issue:
paid work: It is the best to hire a photographer for paid work - for two reasons. a) you own the copyright because you pay for his work, period. When i hired my photographer she knew what i was doing (always ask, many don`t want to work for escorts for fear of reputation) and what for i wanted the photos and she loved the shoot. I allowed her to sell the work for Magazines (she wanted to feature a story about me, but i declined for security reasons - don´t want to be published in some austrian magazine and awake sleeping dogs) and she sold the work for one magazine - a german high class similar to playboy - which even made my money back ;-))).... Plus, she allowed me to publish her name at my escort site and even put the work on her site (using my model name of course)

choose an artist name (model name), never work under your real name or hire photographers for real name. If they publish the work for their portfolio, that might suck.

Hope that helps ;-))

ps: sleezeballs that do photography for sex are the ones who deserve a free spanking from me. I hate such people. Seriously :-)).

Speaking of which Nina...you owe me that rooftop pic in NYC!

Speaking of which Nina...you owe me that rooftop pic in NYC! Originally Posted by London Rayne

(lol) i did not have a camera, whose camera was it? WTF`s ? I don`t have a single photo myself :-).... WTF, where are you :-)) and where are the photos, i want some too. the one with us on the dinner table making grimaces ... priceless!

Miss you London!

As to photographers: Never trade for services. Photographers that do that can`t possibly be any good..:-). I have been working as model and still do sometimes and i know a dime or two about such sleezebags (just FYI - nowadays photographers who are REALLY good get the money and the sex ;-)).... (lol).... there are too many mediocre models out there wanting portfolio stuff...). Choose female photographers. They also have the habit of looking at your overall poses unlike the males who (except if they work for vogue or are really good) preferably look at your tits and your ass and that is what you get afterwards - tits and ass photos.

To modelmayhem: very rarely - very rarely are there really great photographers on it - if they are on it, none would do for free.

To TFP/TFCD or whatever: copyrights can be an issue - you get shared copyrights at best - which means that no one is allowed to sell them or use them for commercial purposes. so IF you do publish them at your escort site for hiring for work - the photographer (if he finds out) can sue you for copyright issues.

I don`t know about USA but in Europe plenty of photographers have started to file DMCA complaints to escort advertising platforms because girls used their photos unauthorized for escort work (many did not tell it was for work or even that they work as escorts) so the directories have been asking "models" for proof that they are authorized to use the work recently.

which brings me to the next issue:
paid work: It is the best to hire a photographer for paid work - for two reasons. a) you own the copyright because you pay for his work, period. When i hired my photographer she knew what i was doing (always ask, many don`t want to work for escorts for fear of reputation) and what for i wanted the photos and she loved the shoot. I allowed her to sell the work for Magazines (she wanted to feature a story about me, but i declined for security reasons - don´t want to be published in some austrian magazine and awake sleeping dogs) and she sold the work for one magazine - a german high class similar to playboy - which even made my money back ;-))).... Plus, she allowed me to publish her name at my escort site and even put the work on her site (using my model name of course)

choose an artist name (model name), never work under your real name or hire photographers for real name. If they publish the work for their portfolio, that might suck.

Hope that helps ;-))

ps: sleezeballs that do photography for sex are the ones who deserve a free spanking from me. I hate such people. Seriously :-)). Originally Posted by ninasastri

Would have to agree with this completely.

we need to write a book... escort 101
Do's and Don't.
Advertising
Photos
Touring
Screening
Services

(lol) i did not have a camera, whose camera was it? WTF`s ? I don`t have a single photo myself :-).... WTF, where are you :-)) and where are the photos, i want some too. the one with us on the dinner table making grimaces ... priceless!

Miss you London! Originally Posted by ninasastri

I'm jealous . Too bad all three of us didn't get to take a pic together.

you say whenguys do the photography all you get are tits and ass pics. being they are marketing to guys like us who are predominatly interested in tits and ass is that really so bad. second you say guys who do photography for sex are sleezebags yet doing sex for money is ok. if the guy takes his cash earnings and buys sex from you with it is it ok

As to photographers: Never trade for services. Photographers that do that can`t possibly be any good..:-). I have been working as model and still do sometimes and i know a dime or two about such sleezebags (just FYI - nowadays photographers who are REALLY good get the money and the sex ;-)).... (lol).... there are too many mediocre models out there wanting portfolio stuff...). Choose female photographers. They also have the habit of looking at your overall poses unlike the males who (except if they work for vogue or are really good) preferably look at your tits and your ass and that is what you get afterwards - tits and ass photos.

To modelmayhem: very rarely - very rarely are there really great photographers on it - if they are on it, none would do for free.

To TFP/TFCD or whatever: copyrights can be an issue - you get shared copyrights at best - which means that no one is allowed to sell them or use them for commercial purposes. so IF you do publish them at your escort site for hiring for work - the photographer (if he finds out) can sue you for copyright issues.

I don`t know about USA but in Europe plenty of photographers have started to file DMCA complaints to escort advertising platforms because girls used their photos unauthorized for escort work (many did not tell it was for work or even that they work as escorts) so the directories have been asking "models" for proof that they are authorized to use the work recently.

which brings me to the next issue:
paid work: It is the best to hire a photographer for paid work - for two reasons. a) you own the copyright because you pay for his work, period. When i hired my photographer she knew what i was doing (always ask, many don`t want to work for escorts for fear of reputation) and what for i wanted the photos and she loved the shoot. I allowed her to sell the work for Magazines (she wanted to feature a story about me, but i declined for security reasons - don´t want to be published in some austrian magazine and awake sleeping dogs) and she sold the work for one magazine - a german high class similar to playboy - which even made my money back ;-))).... Plus, she allowed me to publish her name at my escort site and even put the work on her site (using my model name of course)

choose an artist name (model name), never work under your real name or hire photographers for real name. If they publish the work for their portfolio, that might suck.

Hope that helps ;-))

ps: sleezeballs that do photography for sex are the ones who deserve a free spanking from me. I hate such people. Seriously :-)). Originally Posted by ninasastri

you say whenguys do the photography all you get are tits and ass pics. being they are marketing to guys like us who are predominatly interested in tits and ass is that really so bad. second you say guys who do photography for sex are sleezebags yet doing sex for money is ok. if the guy takes his cash earnings and buys sex from you with it is it ok Originally Posted by petiteassman

Ok, i do understand your points, but disagree with them, even if they might sound logical at first glance ... I do see your point about tits and ass, and here i agree, but also there are different ways of tits and ass :-). No playboy photographer would trade his services for sex and i regard these photos as mostly tits and ass (but in a good way). The comments about tits and ass was regarded to non-professional photographers, which mostly are the ones who do either TFP or want sex in return. Tits and ass i refer to photos, where the only thing on the photo is looking good is tits and ass (in a bad way). And face and legs and whatnot are looking fat or the pose is stupid. Most unprofessionals do exactly that. So you are correct with your statement, i should have made it precise ;-). Not all tits and ass is necessary bad photography :-), i agree.

Its not a bad thing per se, but you want to stick out of the crowd if you are going to "pay" for your shootings in one way or the other.
As to "service for service" - generally speaking you are correct. But - non-generally and realistically speaking i`df say you are wrong. Its plain and simple mathematics.

1. A person that is good at what he/she does, would not trade her services for anything else except for cash. As i pointed out - real photographers don`t do that- because they could hardly put their education any further IF they do (We are talking about two strangers doing that as well - no one that is serious offers such things to strangers UNLESS it is extremely beneficial for HIM). Its not like the photographer in question is doing "social work" for the poor models so he can do something good for THEM, no way

2. next point : The benefits - who has them? If you "sex" up a photographer who would not get any money anyhow for his work - then benefit is to him. Not only does he get paid with your service rates (between 200 and 600 or more ) and he still can deliver his "lousy" photos. That are not worth that much.

so - if you need to pay anyhow - i`d take someone that charges money and can charge it because his photos are the equivalents to the 200 to 600 or more you pay anyhow. Not someone whose photos are worth "zero". (in addition most good photographers have stylists, make up artists, and retouchers. Would you need to screw them too, or does he do all that himself, or how does that work out exactly?)

So - end of story: Its the photographer who benefits for a trade of services and not the model.
I am not saying "ethically" its wrong to trade services, its just unusual and mostly stupid for the models end of the bargain. Being a photographer is hard work and cameras and retouch cost a lot of money. And in retouch its basic photoshop that needs to be done after EVERY work (even tits and ass). No one that is good can afford to do that without cash. If you are really good friends with someone it might be ok, but mostly its sleezebags. I don`t think in this case (as in most cases) models are friends with the photographers. Also the other way round - models who need to screw their photographers are not good models. Haven`t seen any professional model screwing anyone for work .

That is not "photography" most people that trade services do :-)). Its like "being able to hold a mediocre camera (good ones cost 5000 and up and different lenses even more) and press the button ..... (lol)....... I am on modelmayhem and decline most requests because i am bored already. But some who are on there are exceptionally good, so its worth it ;-). And strange you get only nude requests from non-professionals, right?? :-) If you are a good photographer you don`t need nudes. And models who get only shootings because they are stupid enough to go for the nudes are not professionals either or good enough to get any shootings for dress and paid for it. I never do nudes for free ever. Its either work i pay for or work i get paid for. Or for some exceptionally long lasting friendships i do work for "free". Its basic and simple. And even if this sounds arrogant, it is to prevent abusing naive women. Out of principle i would rather pay 5000 dollar than screw someone. Because for the money i get the equivalent in work. For sex - i don`t . Plain and simple.

Hell - if i could trade services with any VOGUE photographer out there, who wouldn`t :-)).
But that is not how it works, darling. :-)......

Word Nina! You are quite right on all points and succinctly put, I might add.

Word Nina! You are quite right on all points and succinctly put, I might add. Originally Posted by John Bull

thank you!

I would advise against. Spend a few bucks and keep it professional. I am very happy with J in NYC/Brooklyn
www.risquephoto.com
Very professional, awesome work and amazingly low priced pkgs.
Good luck!!

I'm jealous . Too bad all three of us didn't get to take a pic together. Originally Posted by Naomi4u

next time for sure :-).... i wanted to post a shoe pic of all of our shoes together on eccie..... well, next time :-))) he he