GFE to PSE upgrade, is it worth it?

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I always thought PSE was Ass Ramming, blowing bubbles with sperm, a girl riding you like a jackhammer on speed, fucking her upside with her feet behind her head humming god bless America- throw a fake mustache and a pizza box in there. Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

That is just a regular night out in pyramiderland.

There have been many discussions of PSE vs GFE and a lot depends on the kinky attitude of the provider. I would just find a gal who will provide ALL the services you want at a donation that you can afford. There are plenty out there. All the activities Skylar lists as PSE can be under GFE and as Pyramider states just a routine "night out" for many providers and clients.

There have been many discussions of PSE vs GFE and a lot depends on the kinky attitude of the provider. I would just find a gal who will provide ALL the services you want at a donation that you can afford. There are plenty out there. All the activities Skylar lists as PSE can be under GFE and as Pyramider states just a routine "night out" for many providers and clients. Originally Posted by whitechocolate

pretty much

I am like an adult roller coaster ride.

That is just a regular night out in pyramiderland. Originally Posted by pyramider

I challenge you to a freak off! You bring the mustache, I'll bring the pizza. Bow chicka wow wow...

well with this particular provider she offers bbbj, bls, kissing, digits, greek, cuddling and all that, and this was a recent upgrade from her previous menu from a few months ago. She now advertises PSE as in bbbjcim, facial, swallow on top of what's offered on the GFE menu, which I have hardly ever had and would love to have. Again because of this upgrade, I would have to fork out 300% more of her GFE rate, which I think is really steep, but she is the provider, so who am I to argue her rate? I mean, I can't really argue... can I?

because of this upgrade, I would have to fork out 300% more of her GFE rate..... Originally Posted by jyoshi917

A 400 to 600 dollars price hike to merely just swallow a few throat babies. Ridiculous lol.

I challenge you to a freak off! You bring the mustache, I'll bring the pizza. Bow chicka wow wow...

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

I do not need a mustache.

PSE/GFE is individual perception. For me there are many providers I see that provide everything I desire in a session, no upselling like someone mention early on those that upsell probabaly don't enjoy any way so why fake it. IMHO PSE lack senuality and personal connection, and Like Skylar commented the jackhammer like fucking and much phoney vocal acting (which I hate).

The labels GFE (Girl Friend Experience) & PSE (Porn Star Experience) have always confused me. Here is my spin on these labels.

First of all GFE must include kissing. When you have a girlfriend do you kiss? DAMN straight you do. If you don’t chances are you might not get the rest of the package. You know the old saying, “You need to heat up the pan before you stick in the meat!” Furthermore, a girl friend experience would include BBBJ and FS. At least it has with EVERY single girl friend I’ve had.

So now what’s PSE? It would seem that PSE is GFE with a theme. Add Greek, kinky shit, an additional partner and MSOG and there you have it. These type of providers are out there, but more often than not, most of them have restrictions or limitations. They do this, but not that. Same goes for GFE.

In short, labels are labels and nothing else. They're always are up for interpretation. As a non GFE hobbyist, I’m not interested in kissing. WHY? First of all I just don’t have any interest in swapping spit with someone I just met. I think that’s personal and reserve that for a different relationship. Second, I do everything in my power to be first. I have no interest in DATY after someone else has been there that day. Nor am I interested in kissing a gal that was just sucking on some guys dick hours earlier.

While I’m convinced that there are ladies that truly enjoy sex on an intimate level, and are able to bring that to the table, I feel the vast majority are in this for the cash. Guys have cash and are into it for the sexy. Yes some guys want a relationship. They want a provider that might be intelligent. Someone they can take to an event and be happy they are hanging on their arm. What guy doesn’t want a beautiful lady to look at while enjoying a meal. And some guys are willing to pay $200-$400 per hour to secure this type of relationship. Were all different and we want and need different things.

Personally I think both GFE & PSE are ridiculous. If you want a girl friend get a girl friend. If you want a porn star hire a porn star. I say we make a new label. We call it SSSFWNO. (Safe Sex Suck Fuck With No Outing) That’s the label for us guys who are just interested in having a safe sexual experience without any drama. Perhaps this could be an entry level experience we can partake while others argue over what the “true” meaning or definition of GFE & PSE might be.

SL Disclaimer: My piss you off button is in the off mode. I am voicing my personal opinion and am not speaking for any one but myself nor am I telling anyone what they should do, or what they might choose is wrong!

I have always wanted a PSE experience, and I learned recently from my ATF that she's upgraded her menu from GFE to PSE, which I was excited about. In my time as a hobbyist, I've only had one provider who did BBBJTC, CIM and swallow but no FS. Ever since then, I've always sought out other providers who gave such services but had very little luck since I was lurking craigslist back in the day and BP till most recently, and you know you get those young providers who want the quick pop and go type deal.

Well now that my ATF is now offering everything I want in a provider, I am excited to jump on the offer, but the rates are now more than double the GFE rate. I know I want to do it at least once, but the asking price is feeling very steep to me. It's more than I can afford. Is this worth it? Hobbyists, what do you think is a worthwhile upgrade and how much more would you shelf out? Providers, how do you feel about upgrading your menu, and how do you go about adjusting your price accordingly? Originally Posted by jyoshi917

well with this particular provider she offers bbbj, bls, kissing, digits, greek, cuddling and all that, and this was a recent upgrade from her previous menu from a few months ago. She now advertises PSE as in bbbjcim, facial, swallow on top of what's offered on the GFE menu, which I have hardly ever had and would love to have. Again because of this upgrade, I would have to fork out 300% more of her GFE rate, which I think is really steep, but she is the provider, so who am I to argue her rate? I mean, I can't really argue... can I? Originally Posted by jyoshi917

I know this was aimed at Providers, in terms of their honest opinion. I just noted a few critical points you stated and from a Hobbyist standpoint wanted to make a few comments, advice. Is that okay with you jyoshi917? Thought so...

If you are currently still "lurking" on craigslists and BP, Stop IT! You are on ECCIE now. You are in the big leagues. Until and if ever LE shuts this Ops down, it doesn't get any better than this. Craigslist and BP, Stop IT!

So, based on that your ATF has you sprung. Understandable. However, with the caliber of freaks and beautifully sexy women I meet, all of those services and more are offered in one rate. I have seen some offer Greek as extra. That is understandable, as not all are interested in this and it requires prep on her part (based on posts from fems). I have no interest in Greek, therefore, I'm not looking for it!

There are a lot of missing facts for me to make this statement. And, I won't bore you and others with critical questions. However, to me it sounds like you need to upgrade your ATF (one who doesn't upsell) and already offers these at her standard rates. It's okay to have more than one ATF also. As Zarah has stated many times, this isn't a dating service. You're not here to fall in love. This is a FUCKING service. So, FUCK and, again, it's okay to have several ATFs. Cool.

Someone explain to me why everything on menu is not at advertised rate. I mean... if i dont like something, im not going to upsell and fake it like i do. Everyone on my menu is something i enjoy doing...

So... if they upsell does that mean they dont like doing it.. and if so.. would u want to do that will someone who is faking the enjoyment? Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

EXACTLY!!!

I experience this the same way when I book overnights. Because I'm young and have a strong affinity for sex, sometimes ladies with advertised rates add on or tack on a few hundred because I actually want 3 to 5 bells at intermittent times during a twelve hour appointment. Sometimes I don't want to dinner date or go out, and I want a homely fuckfest of an overnight. Their excuse was because I might wanna fuck her more than twice (once that night and once in the morning) she had to upcharge her rate to better accommodate me. That's just a taletale sign to me she can't accommodate me anyway. Originally Posted by gimme_that

When you find that special provider that gets it and gives everything you want and is fair about pricing and completely rocks your world, you call them your atf.

Again because of this upgrade, I would have to fork out 300% more of her GFE rate, which I think is really steep, but she is the provider, so who am I to argue her rate? I mean, I can't really argue... can I? Originally Posted by jyoshi917

300% upcharge??? Not worth it. I don't know your area of the country very well, but I would be willing to bet you can get a PSE for little or no upcharge. OTOH, if you want it from your ATF, you'll have to pay it. I would be considering how much of an ATF she is if she's not giving you some breaks on price. She may be your ATF, but you may be her ATM.

Someone explain to me why everything on menu is not at advertised rate. I mean... if i dont like something, im not going to upsell and fake it like i do. Everyone on my menu is something i enjoy doing...

So... if they upsell does that mean they dont like doing it.. and if so.. would u want to do that will someone who is faking the enjoyment? Originally Posted by LusciousLacy

I'm falling in love with this girl. EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!