300 for a CBJ???

i would concur 100% and i say this with respect... but i dont subscribe to the point of view that this personal... because if it was personal then money ie....a transaction would not take place... i think that when it is taken personally, then thats when "feelings" get hurt... i think its pretty well known that i've been on the shitty end of the stick, you have to keep it business like!!! but there is nothing wrong with having fun while doing it... if your not having fun or getting mad... then probably shouldnt hobby... not being sarcastic , just saying this isnt a place to get so mad. this is fantasy and fun... plus there are a whole bunch of providers coming in from dallas this week... a BUYERS market!!!! Originally Posted by lasvegas

There is a business aspect to it, there's no denying that; however, the concept that its "just business" like I've heard so many times is simply not true in this industry, or at least it shouldn't be. If it was just business, the term GFE would be obsolete. Feelings are a part of that. I'm not seeing new clients so perhaps I'm being more brazen than I normally would with this thread; but the hobbyists I choose to continue to see are those I actually care about. I personally can't fake emotions and so my friends get the "real me". That's not business. I could perhaps go the route of considering this all "just business" but I truly believe the experience would suffer for the receiving end.

Business is buying a car, a house, or giving box seats to a good client. In this world, when gent attack a ladies "business" they are talking about a living breathing human being.

Reviews should be honest and I believe strongly in keeping private areas private, ROS being a part of that. Outside of those areas, providing first hand honest info about a lady is how reviews help other gents choose the right girl for them. If the gent felt her service was less than exemplary, he should be able to convey that. If he reports an excellent what does anyone have to try to convince the board that her services aren't so when they haven't even seen her.

I would never spend $200k on a car, but after riding in a lamborghini (sp?), I would never tell someone its not worth the $ bc they didn't upgrade the stereo and get the parking sensor option.

atx, i think there are two separate thoughts going on here... i 100 % agree with you that nobody should be guided as to who they should see or not see.... i think thats ones opinion and its up to the audience who he is speaking to , to ask the question "well if you feel this way , why and or did you see this person" ... it comes to opinions everyone has one. the other part of this discussion is , it is a business... your regulars are very lucky to have a provider like you who gives it your all... and not fake it. sincerely! but not to ruin a wet dream but here where it comes into a business...you obviously know that if your not available and they have that itch they will call someone else???? because providing a service not matter what it is... exchange money or whatever anything of value for a service is a business.... but i think its okay for both sides... if you take it personal its okay, if other guys take it as a business its okay... there are good and bad stories on both sides... the one thing i will repeat is... if it makes you mad and upset... one should probably think if they should keep doing it providing or hobbying... both sides are making a decision to choose to engage in this.. so it should be all good things...

Of course it's just business! Money is paid for a product, the essence of business. Sellers set price points and consumers choose buying levels. The processes that go in to each parties decision making are personal to that party. In the end, if the seller doesn't sell or the buyer doesn't buy, then no business is done. As for seeing only those you have feelings for and care about, would you feel the same without the money? Really? To use the vernacular of a younger generation, don't get all butt hurt cause some dude you will never see voiced his opinion.

As I have stated before...

The ladies have the unalienable right to set their rates as they see fit.
The gentlemen have the unalienable right to choose who they wish to see.

There is really nothing else to it.

I have never understood why the hemoraging always occurs when rates are discussed. It changes nothing. It is wasted effort. It is an exercise in futility. Originally Posted by Mokoa

Correct well said

I think the hotel industry would serve as an apt analogy. Getting a room at a Best Western and getting a room at a JW Marriott both ultimately satisfy the same need, providing you with a place to sleep for the night while away from home, but they do so with very different business models and price points. If you look at it from the totally objective economic perspective of “which hotel can give me a room for the lowest price” then yes, the Best Western is a better choice. So why aren’t all hotels Best Westerns? Because people have subjective tastes that influence their decisions.

I know that if I choose to stay at the JW I’m going to easily pay double or triple (or more) what I would pay at the BW. I also realize that I’ll be forgoing some amenities like free wifi and a free breakfast, but to me it’s worth paying more and doing without a few ‘little extras’ to stay in a cleaner and better appointed room, interact with a larger and better trained staff, and enjoy a better looking and posher property. Is my choice to pay more for the resort experience wrong? No, just as your choice to spend the night at the Best Western isn’t wrong. Me choosing to stay at the JW doesn’t mean that I’m a sucker with more money than sense, and you choosing to stay at the BW doesn’t mean that you’re a low class cheapskate. We both have our individual tastes, and allocate our resources to accommodate them. Do my expensive tastes mean that I’ll have to travel less often? Perhaps, but again it’s worth it to me to take one vacation a year that I really enjoy, rather than two that I don’t.

That is a darned good analogy. I prefer to stay in better hotels because I get better rest, but I do pay more. I have found on occasion though, paying more doesn't always guarantee good rest. When I failed to do the research on a higher end hotel I was unfamiliar with, I occasionally got burned. I learned to do the research or stick to my comfort zone. What I don't do is bitch about something I should have known. There are too many hotels to choose from for me to bitch about the wifi policies of a particular place. Likewise, I don't understand the need to gripe about a CBJ or anything else. Just make a note in your little black book and move on.

Just to put it out there, I'm a Hampton Inn kind of guy. Great beds for sleeping or fucking.

People have rights to their opinions. And, as long as there are no rules against *rude* comments...as Mokoa stated, *it's futile,* to keep rehashing an age old dilemma.

People have rights to their opinions. And, as long as there are no rules against *rude* comments...as Mokoa stated, *it's futile,* to keep rehashing an age old dilemma. Originally Posted by Likinikki

You are right but I suspect that every now and then it feels good to tell a jackass they are a jackass. It will probably never change that person but if it feels good so what.

Business is business. Every provider can probably acquire some part of the market share; and totally concur that a Lady can charge any darn thing she wants to for services she provides. As long as the participants are safe, enjoy themselves, and agree to the game plan - it's all good.

I have to agree. To say this isn't "personal" isn't true. With all due respect, this is our body. While you may be paying for it, it is personal to us. We are letting you in our body. We are putting our mouths on your body. We kiss and cuddle. And let you in our body .... Did I mention this our body. This is a personal act. Sex is intimate. Sex in its self is personal. It may not be personal after its said and done but like Atx said if it wasn't personal then gfe wouldn't matter. I don't have to have an attachment to a guy but I still feel every time I let someone into my body that it's personal.

You are right but I suspect that every now and then it feels good to tell a jackass they are a jackass. It will probably never change that person but if it feels good so what. Originally Posted by Laz

It is against three of the rules of the Forum Guidelines, that's what.

It is against three of the rules of the Forum Guidelines, that's what. Originally Posted by Mokoa

I know the national sandbox operates under different guidelines but it is hard to remember that sometimes. The BS I see in there makes me happy the rules are followed here.

Here is another analogy. If you should cook meat at 350 degrees for 60 minutes than it must be ok to cook it for 700 degrees at 30 minutes. Wrong! And thus ATX makes her point. So a CBJ for $$$ is like cooking dinner at 700 for 30 minutes will fuck it up just as much as the poor cook

I was a little mislead by the thread title. It wasn't 300 for JUST a CBJ, rather some people expect that for 300 they'd want a BBBJ and the rest of the services she provided, which were many.

I totally disagree with any of this being personal, most of us don't even know each other so how can anything be personal? Do the ladies take things personal, yes, but that doesn't mean it is.

In this thread where it is a general discussion it is easy for this not to be personal. If the same comment is made on a review where the hobbyist and provider were both happy with what happened it becomes personal. Those comments influence others and may cause someone not to call the provider. That affects her business and her income. It is personal then because this is how she supports herself, it is not a hobby for them. If a hobbyist thinks a provider is overpriced or does not provide a service they want they should see someone else. Making irrelevant comments on a review thread is tacky.